The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[mad5226]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ohiodevil" data-cite="ohiodevil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I loved how Daniel Bryan messed up and called Apollo "Creed" instead of Crews when announcing the participants in the 4 way match.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I laughed pretty hard at this too, especially since he's a guy they want to "push" but not even management can get his name right <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[K-Nection]

Again I enjoyed the Blue Brand way more than the Red one. Probably going to start watching the Red one on Hulu again atleast until they officially get the cruiserweight division.

[D-Lyrium]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Re: D-bry<p> </p><p> I agree he's only been ok, and for god sake he needs to stop saying every non-us competitor is suffering the effects of jet lag.</p><p> </p><p> I'm shocked it isn't a meme yet. If you made a drinking game, you would drink heavily every match haha.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hah, that too yeah. Although to be fair I think someone told him, because I can't remember him doing it on the latest show. But yeah, that was definitely a thing for a while. As if everyone flew to Florida on the day of the event. ¬_¬</p>

[Jaysin]

As someone who has followed Johnny Gargano for 10+ years, it's amazing seeing him on NXT and the CWC.

 

He's grown so much as a worker.

[D-Lyrium]

"You've been dropping names of the tag teams you've beaten... allow me to pick them up for ya".

 

[Bigpapa42]

I quite enjoyed that promo. Got a bit silly but yeah, good mic work.

[Russelrules44]

So apparently during the CWC tournament, Daniel Bryan found a new favorite wrestler in Jack Gallagher.

 

It's probably me because I haven't really followed up on the cruiserweight tournament, but i'm thinking it's because he's like a combination of William Regal and Adrian English.

[Big Roguey]

Jack Gallagher is legit. So glad he's hitting a global stage now because for years, he was the best kept secret of the UK wrestling scene. He's my darkhorse pick to win the whole thing.

[Jaysin]

His slow motion chain wrestling was annoying, but other than that I enjoyed his work.

 

Ciampa and Gargano killed it though. Excited for Round 2.

[Big Roguey]

Bye Bye Ryback

[Russelrules44]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MHero" data-cite="MHero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/BIvON03Av3B/" rel="external nofollow">Bye Bye Ryback</a></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ryback in all cases should have been a main eventer for the WWE. He had the strength, star quality and size that WWE loves from their superstars.</p><p> </p><p> However he was simply the right wrestler in the wrong time, he came during when WWE was pushing Daniel Bryan and CM Punk as legitimate players and when people just didn't want to see another man who was strong and muscular get a shot in the main event.</p><p> </p><p> It's also been rumored that he was unsafe in the ring sometimes; (remember that concussion he gave Ziggler?) so that might have also had an effect on his chances as a WWE main eventer. (and probably why he was basically jobbed for most of 2014)</p><p> </p><p> To me; he was at his best in the midcard, Especially during his final matches. Whether as the intercontinental champion, a beast who wanted to be fed more or as the monster of the week for Cena to beat up; he was pretty reliable and always got the job done. </p><p> </p><p> And to me, that's really all Ryback needed to be. A big monsterous guy who could destroy the scrubs and provide for good competition for those higher up the card. (Oh, and I guess his RybAxel tag team with Curtis was pretty decent for what it was)</p>

[Jaysin]

He'll end up in Japan and more than likely be very successful.

[Russelrules44]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He'll end up in Japan and more than likely be very successful.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh yeah, he's almost guaranteed to go to NJPW.</p><p> </p><p> How much you wanna bet he ends up joining the Bullet Club?</p>

[The Final Countdown]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh yeah, he's almost guaranteed to go to NJPW.<p> </p><p> How much you wanna bet he ends up joining the Bullet Club?</p></div></blockquote><p> Not sure there'd be much point in him joining the Bullet Club when they've already got Bad Luck Fale. That doesn't mean Gedo won't do it, just that it doesn't seem like it would add anything. </p><p> </p><p> But the Bullet Club is basically irrelevant in current NJPW anyway.</p>

[Russelrules44]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not sure there'd be much point in him joining the Bullet Club when they've already got Bad Luck Fale. That doesn't mean Gedo won't do it, just that it doesn't seem like it would add anything. <p> </p><p> But the Bullet Club is basically irrelevant in current NJPW anyway.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think I meant for that to be in sarcasm. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> (The Bullet Club part I mean)</p><p> </p><p> But seriously; I don't really follow Japanese professional wrestling all that much so I don't know what's relevant and not relevant over there.</p>

[soxfan93]

But the Bullet Club is basically irrelevant in current NJPW anyway.

 

They're not? Last show I watched was New Years Dash, but I thought Omega was going to get pushed hard, obviously including the Bullet Club?

[Big Roguey]

They're not? Last show I watched was New Years Dash, but I thought Omega was going to get pushed hard, obviously including the Bullet Club?

 

They've taken a back seat to Los Ingobernables de Japon and even then, Bullet Club as a faction are taking a backseat to The Elite. Omega & The Bucks are all that people care about (mainly because the rest of BC are pretty woeful in ring).

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ryback in all cases should have been a main eventer for the WWE. He had the strength, star quality and size that WWE loves from their superstars.<p> </p><p> However he was simply the right wrestler in the wrong time, he came during when WWE was pushing Daniel Bryan and CM Punk as legitimate players and when people just didn't want to see another man who was strong and muscular get a shot in the main event.</p><p> </p><p> It's also been rumored that he was unsafe in the ring sometimes; (remember that concussion he gave Ziggler?) so that might have also had an effect on his chances as a WWE main eventer. (and probably why he was basically jobbed for most of 2014)</p><p> </p><p> To me; he was at his best in the midcard, Especially during his final matches. Whether as the intercontinental champion, a beast who wanted to be fed more or as the monster of the week for Cena to beat up; he was pretty reliable and always got the job done. </p><p> </p><p> And to me, that's really all Ryback needed to be. A big monsterous guy who could destroy the scrubs and provide for good competition for those higher up the card. (Oh, and I guess his RybAxel tag team with Curtis was pretty decent for what it was)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, sorry....no. He sucked in so many levels and would never be main eventer. Especially since he was very unsafe to work with, super stiff and clumsy.</p>

[Rone Rivendale]

<p>Before Punk buried him, Ryback was one of the most cheered men in WWE at the time. Even if it was just a one or two month reign, Ryback was going to be hugely over. They dropped the ball.</p><p> </p><p>

You don't think a stiff clumsy man can get over and be a top star? Ultimate Warrior? Big Poppa Pump?</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Before Punk buried him, Ryback was one of the most cheered men in WWE at the time. Even if it was just a one or two month reign, Ryback was going to be hugely over. They dropped the ball.<p> </p><p> You don't think a stiff clumsy man can get over and be a top star? Ultimate Warrior? Big Poppa Pump?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh yeah, they can, and WWE wanted it, I'm just saying i doubt he would ever get there anyway, I don't see it in him, never did. He was cheered in the beginning of the Feed me more gimmick, before he was actually required to actually feud and show more. And when he had to and no longer was protected by being fed jobbers, his lack of ME skills was visible. At least as I see it.</p><p> </p><p> I'm sure we can agree in disagreeing if you think he had a chance, it's my opinion anyway, but as I see it, he always dropped the ball when he had it due to...well, not having what it takes to hold it.</p>

[Jaysin]

1. Scott Steiner at his worst is still a better worker than Ultimate Warrior was. In his prime, Scotty was a better in ring worker than Hogan just without the psychology.

 

2. Ryback rules. He's intensity personified. He has a great aura about him.

 

Regardless of where he ends up wrestling, he'll be successful.

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>1. <strong>Scott Steiner at his worst is still a better worker than Ultimate Warrior was. In his prime, Scotty was a better in ring worker than Hogan just without the psychology</strong>.<p> </p><p> 2. Ryback rules. He's intensity personified. He has a great aura about him. </p><p> </p><p> Regardless of where he ends up wrestling, he'll be successful.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Scott came about 10 years early as far as big men that can work. Men like Samoa Joe and Apollo Crews have to thank big poppa pump for making Flying Top Heavy guys a thing. I think Scott had great psychology he just didn't have the star quality that Hogan possessed.</p>

[Russelrules44]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Scott came about 10 years early as far as big men that can work. Men like Samoa Joe and Apollo Crews have to thank big poppa pump for making Flying Top Heavy guys a thing. I think Scott had great psychology he just didn't have the star quality that Hogan possessed.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Since we're on the subject, how would a Scott Steiner vs Apollo Crews match play out? I'm really curious on that one.</p>

[Ben_Ditch05]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In his prime, Scotty was a better in ring worker than Hogan just without the psychology.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't think that's actually possible... He was definitely a better athlete, sure, but I don't think you could call anyone a better in ring worker than someone if you're going to go ahead and say, "without the psychology." As I personally think psychology is what separates the all time greats like Danielson and Flair to the good workers, like Steiner.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Ben_Ditch05" data-cite="Ben_Ditch05" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't think that's actually possible... He was definitely a better athlete, sure, but I don't think you could call anyone a better in ring worker than someone if you're going to go ahead and say, "without the psychology." As I personally think psychology is what separates the all time greats like Danielson and Flair to the good workers, like Steiner.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'll take Steiner's in ring work over Hogan's in any day of the year, including psychology, but its my opinion and it's worth what's it's worth. I do agree that psychology separates the all time greats from the rest, but it's perfectly possible to have great skills and lack the actual psychology. The all time greats are all time greats cause they had great psychology, yes, but also the skills to back it up. But it's perfectly possible to have great skills and still not have the psychology.</p>