The Shape Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Were we thinking this way when Austin was always winning in the late 90s and stunning everyone left and right? I sure wasn't. I loved it and still do.<p> </p><p> What about when Hogan was beating everyone left and right in the late 80s and early 90s? I loved that too.</p><p> </p><p> Now is Cena's turn. In 10 years it will be a new guy.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Austin won his first WWE title in 1998 and last in 2001. Rock lasted a similarly brief period of time, due to injuries and other pursuits respectively. What's alarming about Cena is that it's already been 6 years of him as the main guy...only Hogan is comparable.</p><p> </p><p> Part of it is down to basically a whole generation of stars not materialising; Lesnar, the other big name of the Cena/Batista 2002 debuting crop, didn't last long and after that, basically anybody they tried to push around 05/06 (Carlito, Kennedy, Lashley, MVP) didn't work out, and only Edge rose properly to the top.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 <p>I'm glad someone spoiled the SD result for me so my family didn't have to hear me scream what the f***. What was the point of starting the show with a Christian promo (with a voiceover saying something about the start of Christian's reign at Champ) followed by a strong mic angle... and then have him lose it on the same show. They couldn't stretch it for a few weeks to get Christian more over? The match itself was even and almost PPV quality, so even if the result sucked the execution was good.</p><p> </p><p> And Orton's so over that he doesn't even need the belt. To be fair, when the match was announced, Randy looked like he had genuine respect for Christan; it's the bookers who underestimate Captain Charisma's star power.</p><p> </p><p> So if CM Punk and Christian aren't Main Event material, who is? I'd rather watch the best performers in main event matches not the most marketable wrestlers (though I do prefer Orton to Cena at the moment).</p><p> </p><p> I love seeing Zack Ryder signs at every show. At least make him job out to midcarders instead of wasting him.</p><p> </p><p> Cody Rhodes is freakin' awesome. I wonder who he's going to feud with.</p><p> </p><p> Sin Cara pulled off some nice moves again Kidd. I could watch him wrestle for hours and not get bored. It was funny with Chavo on commentary trying to make out like Sin Cara's a b-grade copycat.</p><p> </p><p> I hope after Over the Limit they push Sheamus into a title match against Orton.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rager Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Shape" data-cite="The Shape" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Austin won his first WWE title in 1998 and last in 2001. Rock lasted a similarly brief period of time, due to injuries and other pursuits respectively. What's alarming about Cena is that it's already been 6 years of him as the main guy...only Hogan is comparable.<p> </p><p> Part of it is down to basically a whole generation of stars not materialising; Lesnar, the other big name of the Cena/Batista 2002 debuting crop, didn't last long and after that, basically anybody they tried to push around 05/06 (Carlito, Kennedy, Lashley, MVP) didn't work out, and only Edge rose properly to the top.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What happened between Kennedy and WWE? When I initially stopped watching wrestling he was my favourite on the roster by a mile, it seemed like he could have been one of the top guys for years.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilts Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 What happened between Kennedy and WWE? When I initially stopped watching wrestling he was my favourite on the roster by a mile, it seemed like he could have been one of the top guys for years. Orton happened....nuff said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 What happened to Kennedy? He suffered a muscle tear that cost him Money in the Bank and killed his momentum on Smackdown, then he was drafted to Raw and almost immediately got suspended for wellness violations, then had a pretty terrible turn as a babyface in a sort of "PG Chris Jericho" type guy that made wisecracks and hilariously used photoshop to mock his opponents. Then after changing brands back to Smackdown, he immediately got hurt again. He came back from a 9 month lay-off and looked sloppy, and combined with his poor attitude, WWE decided to cut their losses. Basically poorly timed injuries and steroid use (which likely caused his muscle injury) kept him from having any consistency in the company. His awful babyface run didn't help, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilts Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 What happened to Kennedy? He suffered a muscle tear that cost him Money in the Bank and killed his momentum on Smackdown, then he was drafted to Raw and almost immediately got suspended for wellness violations, then had a pretty terrible turn as a babyface in a sort of "PG Chris Jericho" type guy that made wisecracks and hilariously used photoshop to mock his opponents. Then after changing brands back to Smackdown, he immediately got hurt again. He came back from a 9 month lay-off and looked sloppy, and combined with his poor attitude, WWE decided to cut their losses. Basically poorly timed injuries and steroid use (which likely caused his muscle injury) kept him from having any consistency in the company. His awful babyface run didn't help, either. I don't buy it, Kennedy could have been big. Look at Edge and all his injuries, they still managed to get him where they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I hope after Over the Limit they push Sheamus into a title match against Orton. We saw that feud like 6 months or so ago. And weren't Seamus and Sin Cara supposed to feud anyway? Christian vs. Sheamus could have been a great feud. They could have Orton mess around with Barrett and the other Corre guys, then take the belt off Christian after that. It's not the fact that they took the belt off Christian so damn fast that bugs me all that much (even though I find it completely stupid). It's not the fact that they're putting it on Orton either (though I don't see why they found that to be necessary this soo with Cena as RAW champion); it's the fact that they are so damn repetitive... always the same boring feuds over and over again. Granted, they do throw in something new and fresh every now and then... but they usually find some stupid way to ruin it somehow, when it gets really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 With Kennedy, even after everything else he got MITB and announced he would cash it in for a Mania title shot the next year, but I think it was a botched move on Orton that was the final straw? I love seeing Zack Ryder signs at every show. At least make him job out to midcarders instead of wasting him. Seems counter-productive. He's turned him not being on TV into an angle in itself, I like to think they're just waiting for the right time to bring him in properl for a feud, or to start building him, rather than having him be a constant presence with no momemtum at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I really have to question what century these fans of Punk who would buy a show if they knew he was appearing won't buy because they don't even know it's him: clearly not the 21st, where twitter, facebook and everything else make guys like Punk instantly accessible to their hardcore fanbase. It "doesn't seem wise" to take money for a name that you still get to use anyway, on the basis that you might want to leave one day and make far less money elsewhere, but want to remain slightly more marketable in the tiny pond you're moving to? I just don't see how that's even a competitive option. Like I said, if WWE is low-balling him or think they don't need him around (and they do, considering the age and injuries to most of their other ring general type main eventers), that's one thing, but it's naive to say "oh he should keep the name maybe he'll need it one day." And it sounds like you're overestimating the strength and power of the hardcore fan. With the Twitters and Facebooks and the like, I certainly can't blame you. They do make it easy to do. But you said it yourself. WWE is the big stage. They are the company the the underinformed, casual fan knows best. And they get more of those folks than anybody else. The hardcore types who would follow Punk on Twitter or whatnot would clearly know where he was going next and under what name because they make it their business to know. Those types have also likely been with him pre-WWE. But the person who just follows WWE and is starting to branch out? The fan who doesn't read dirt sites on a regular basis? The person the lesser promotion's going to need to grow their base isn't necessarily going to know. Sure the means are there for them to know but counting on people to realize it is the road to potential disaster. That's one of the reasons we still have advertising in the 21st century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I don't buy it, Kennedy could have been big. Look at Edge and all his injuries, they still managed to get him where they wanted. I think the fact Kennedy was horrible may have had something to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Austin won his first WWE title in 1998 and last in 2001. Rock lasted a similarly brief period of time, due to injuries and other pursuits respectively. What's alarming about Cena is that it's already been 6 years of him as the main guy...only Hogan is comparable. Part of it is down to basically a whole generation of stars not materialising; Lesnar, the other big name of the Cena/Batista 2002 debuting crop, didn't last long and after that, basically anybody they tried to push around 05/06 (Carlito, Kennedy, Lashley, MVP) didn't work out, and only Edge rose properly to the top. Well Bruno had what almost twenty years on the top. However, I get what you are talking about, you are talking about the modern day era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I think the fact Kennedy was horrible may have had something to do with it. Edge also never had a rep Kennedy had. Like was said before, Kennedy had too much going against him to be worth the trouble. Kennedy was solid in the ring, but so are plenty others who don't have baggage Kennedy did and solid doesn't get you anywhere these days without bringing something else to the table and Kennedy didn't do that. I've seen nothing from in Kennedy in TNA that makes me think WWE missed the boat on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Random side note: Jericho just twittered that the IWC should slow it's role on the Christan debacle and that it's all going to be part of a good, long storyline that will have a payoff they'll like. Y2J with inside knowledge or just sticking up for the brand...we shall see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 It's like I said, till I see what they do, I can't really comment on what I think about it. I have to see what the overall goal is first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Random side note: Jericho just twittered that the IWC should slow it's role on the Christan debacle and that it's all going to be part of a good, long storyline that will have a payoff they'll like.<p> </p><p> Y2J with inside knowledge or just sticking up for the brand...we shall see</p></div></blockquote><p> Well, it's not so much hte action itself, as I said before. WWE has done this kind of thing before. And we didn't care... but the difference is, we are sick of WWE's repeated pattersn of failing short every time they do something reckless. And quite frankly, I think most of us are past the point of giving WWE any benefit of the doubt.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 <p>That Christian promo on Smackdown was so touching it makes me hate the decision all that much more. I can say that I hate the decision and will continue to do so until there is a payoff. I can't hold my breath in the hope that WWE make this title change mean something in the long run as I can't see into the future, all I can do is see the present and I am not happy with what I see.</p><p> </p><p> p.s. Christian asking Mark Henry if he realised the world title was made of gold and not chocolate had me cracking up.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsplex Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Random side note: Jericho just twittered that the IWC should slow it's role on the Christan debacle and that it's all going to be part of a good, long storyline that will have a payoff they'll like.<p> </p><p> Y2J with inside knowledge or just sticking up for the brand...we shall see</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Meh, probably just foreshadowing a heel turn.</p><p> </p><p> I won't go on about Christian losing the belt so much, but what exactly does thrusting the belt to Orton so quickly achieve? Obviously Orton is going to be Smackdown's focal point, but did he seriously need the belt within a few days? It's not exactly like he was lacking momentum following the draft.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liontamer Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Shape" data-cite="The Shape" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Austin won his first WWE title in 1998 and last in 2001. Rock lasted a similarly brief period of time, due to injuries and other pursuits respectively. What's alarming about Cena is that it's already been 6 years of him as the main guy...only Hogan is comparable.<p> </p><p> Part of it is down to basically a whole generation of stars not materialising; Lesnar, the other big name of the Cena/Batista 2002 debuting crop, didn't last long and after that, basically anybody they tried to push around 05/06 (Carlito, Kennedy, Lashley, MVP) didn't work out, and only Edge rose properly to the top.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> don't forget HHH, he was on top for a long time.</p><p> </p><p> Also for the question on Kennedy, in case the poster doesn't follow, he's now Mr. Anderson in TNA, basically the same character with the juice turned up slightly.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supershot Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoNdOn" data-cite="LoNdOn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That Christian promo on Smackdown was so touching it makes me hate the decision all that much more. I can say that I hate the decision and will continue to do so until there is a payoff. I can't hold my breath in the hope that WWE make this title change mean something in the long run as I can't see into the future, all I can do is see the present and I am not happy with what I see.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Gotta agree with you man. Makes me sick to my stomach. I'm feel very sympathetic for Christain. Especially after that speech. I mean common he's finally won it and they take it from him days later.</p><p> </p><p> Although they might want me to feel this way.. who knows?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 <p>The reasons why WWE's pushes have not been up to par (and that includes John Cena), is because they don't have enough patience to slow-build anyone. Only ADR and the Miz have been pushed well. Every time they pushed anyone they believe in, it's always moon-pushes. On the flip side, when a wrestler "catches fire", they don't even capitalized on their momentum. </p><p> </p><p> People with sudden momentum need to pushed harder, people who don't need to be pushed slower. It's a simple thing that the WWE had done in the past. But apparently, their current booking team doesn't have any clue about this.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supershot Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>People with sudden momentum need to pushed harder, people who don't need to be pushed slower</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Gotta agree here. A good example of this would be... tada Christain! <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Sudden momentum with the Edge situation and what do they do?</p><p> </p><p> You never know tho it might actual be something but I'm skeptic.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepy Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 <p>TBH, Christian dropping the belt quickly gives him fire and will help improve his overness. I'd be surprised if this doesn't build to him going over Orton after a long feud which turns Orton heel which will do wonders for his career.</p><p> </p><p> Remember, Mysterio as champion got tired really quickly however his build to winning the belt was something that captured the imagination and the ultimate feel good after he won it.</p><p> </p><p> Whether the WWE follow through on it remains to be seen though...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="wilts" data-cite="wilts" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't buy it, Kennedy could have been big. Look at Edge and all his injuries, they still managed to get him where they wanted.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Edge didn't have much in the way of injuries until about 5 years into his WWE career, by which time he'd been about a ten thousand time tag team champion, Intercontinental champion, King of the Ring, etc. Meanwhile Kennedy had poorly timed injuries that kept him from ever gaining any momentum, and came back from a year long lay-off looking sloppy and with an attitude.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Originally Posted by milamber View Post<p> I hope after Over the Limit they push Sheamus into a title match against Orton.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We saw that feud like 6 months or so ago. And weren't Seamus and Sin Cara supposed to feud anyway?<p> </p><p> Christian vs. Sheamus could have been a great feud. They could have Orton mess around with Barrett and the other Corre guys, then take the belt off Christian after that.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's not so much that I want Sheamus to face Orton again, more that I want Sheamus to main event again. And I can't see Orton dropping the belt until Summerslam or beyond.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Random side note: Jericho just twittered that the IWC should slow it's role on the Christan debacle and that it's all going to be part of a good, long storyline that will have a payoff they'll like.<p> </p><p> Y2J with inside knowledge or just sticking up for the brand...we shall see</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Let's hope it's all part of a grand plan that will see Christian pushed to the top at Summerslam. And let's hope Jericho returns to SD as a main event face.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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