The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

[-laz-]

!SPOILERS!

 

i give to you the new TNA Divas championship (its acctually the new TNA world title)

 

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3576538/190071378.jpg

[Stennick]

Thanks for the pic Laz but we have that same exact picture and discussion on this matter two pages back

[-laz-]

Thanks for the pic Laz but we have that same exact picture and discussion on this matter two pages back

ah dahm but it does suck tho

[PeterHilton]

I called it The Ed Hardy belt.

 

I think it fits. (The Rock of Love championship?)

[GruntMark]

For some reason it reminds me of Lord Zed.

[Stennick]

For some reason it reminds me of Lord Zed.

 

This thread now belongs to Grunt Mark. Any mention of Lord Zed will be too much to overcome so if Adam could kindly close this thread I think thats the only clear option.

[SaySo]

!SPOILERS!

 

i give to you the new TNA Divas championship (its acctually the new TNA world title)

 

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3576538/190071378.jpg

 

Here are two more pictures of the new title. If you want to see it, please follow the instruction below:

 

 

 

 

Click Here --> Hardy Holding the title1 <--CLICK HERE

 

 

Click Here --> Hardy Holding the title2 <--CLICK HERE

 

 

 

[Hyde Hill]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>you cant afford to be paying actually useful talent with the money allocated to super over acts like the dudleys and hogan <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Or better yet such great lights as: Terry, OJ Von Erich, Rayne, Chelsea, Tessmacher, Kiyoshi, Okada, Eckos, Bayless, Raven, Richards and Gunner and Murphy.</p>

[Stennick]

So that leaves Bobby Rude as the only original member of Team Canada in TNA, D'More, A1, Williams and now Young are all gone. I would have lost money on that bet. In fact I felt like Rude was the THIRD most talented guy out of the group behind Williams and Young.

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GruntMark" data-cite="GruntMark" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For some reason it reminds me of Lord Zed.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I thought that was way off...but then I saw the other pics and it does kinda resemble that half wolf/half egyptian pharoah dude.</p>

[jwt13]

Reading this I get the feeling that y'all care too much about wrestling:rolleyes:

[Stennick]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jwt13" data-cite="jwt13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Reading this I get the feeling that ya'll care more about wrestling than I do</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fixed </p><p> </p><p> <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I thought that was way off...but then I saw the other pics and it does kinda resemble that half wolf/half egyptian pharoah dude.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Would you happen to mean Anubis? The Egyptian god of the dead.</p>

[nucleardonkey]

It's blatantly obvious that's a Jeff Hardy glamor belt ala The Smoking Skull Title Austin had. It's basically a Jeff Hardy self portrait painting turned into a belt. I think it's brilliant have the heel so full of himself he designs his own belt with his likeness in it.

[The Two]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Meh. I don't hate that title. On a guy like Jeff Hardy, it makes sense.</div></blockquote><p> This.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't like the idea of trashing the World Title but they do it for 1 thing. To draw heat on the heels. Basically the heel group has taken over and is personalizing everything including the belt. So maybe in a few months when a face stables comes up representing TNA they can restore everything back to normal and how it should be. THAT would then make everyone happy that this Bisch Hogan thing is over with.</div></blockquote><p> And this.</p><p> </p><p> I'm a traditionalist when it comes to wrestling belts, but from the look of that it seems clear that it's The Jeff Hardy Belt. I think it may even be his face on the front of it.</p><p> </p><p> As others have said, it seems clear that this is a way to add to the heat on Immortal - they've taken over, they're making it all about them. In the same way that the Impact opening credits are all shots of Immortal, now the World Title is being replaced by a special belt for their hand picked champion. The message obviously being that this isn't Dixie's TNA anymore, it's the Immortal Show.</p><p> </p><p> Not gonna deny, I'd really rather they didn't throw the old belt in the garbage, but I think the plan is probably to replace both with a third new world title down the road. There have been stories for months that the World Title is broken, that the one being carried on TV has actually been a replica. I'd expect that this is a temporary belt for the duration of Jeff's title reign. A stable like Immortal really need to have the world champion, so I'd expect the end of Jeff's reign to coincide with the conclusion of the Immortal plot. Once the new babyface champ is crowned, on the next Impact they'll unveil a whole new TNA World Title. A proper one.</p><p> </p><p> That's what I'd expect anyway. I'll cringe when the old one gets thrown out, but it won't upset me enough to walk away. It's still far from perfect, but the last month of Impact hads been pretty entertaining, and I thought Turning Point was a good show. Some people definitely need to chill. Anyway, just my opinion, make of it what you will.</p>

[Stennick]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Two" data-cite="The Two" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This.<p> </p><p> </p><p> And this.</p><p> </p><p> I'm a traditionalist when it comes to wrestling belts, but from the look of that it seems clear that it's The Jeff Hardy Belt. I think it may even be his face on the front of it.</p><p> </p><p> As others have said, it seems clear that this is a way to add to the heat on Immortal - they've taken over, they're making it all about them. In the same way that the Impact opening credits are all shots of Immortal, now the World Title is being replaced by a special belt for their hand picked champion. The message obviously being that this isn't Dixie's TNA anymore, it's the Immortal Show.</p><p> </p><p> Not gonna deny, I'd really rather they didn't throw the old belt in the garbage, but I think the plan is probably to replace both with a third new world title down the road. There have been stories for months that the World Title is broken, that the one being carried on TV has actually been a replica. I'd expect that this is a temporary belt for the duration of Jeff's title reign. A stable like Immortal really need to have the world champion, so I'd expect the end of Jeff's reign to coincide with the conclusion of the Immortal plot. Once the new babyface champ is crowned, on the next Impact they'll unveil a whole new TNA World Title. A proper one.</p><p> </p><p> That's what I'd expect anyway. I'll cringe when the old one gets thrown out, but it won't upset me enough to walk away. It's still far from perfect, but the last month of Impact hads been pretty entertaining, and I thought Turning Point was a good show. Some people definitely need to chill. Anyway, just my opinion, make of it what you will.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't really care what the belt looks like but lets look at this.</p><p> </p><p> When the Legends belt was created they wanted to scrap it but they were told they spent too much money on it and needed to keep it. </p><p> </p><p> So now they go out and make this championship and now their going to make another World Championship sometime soon, all the while guys like Young's countract isn't being renewed because of the strict financial situation yet their ok with making two or three different title belts in just a years time? Seems kind of backwards if you ask me...</p><p> </p><p> I just read the spoilers for the next few weeks and....Don't highlight the white text if you want to be surprised.</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Rhino turns, Bubba Ray turns, Doug Williams turns, it seems like their headed to a Pope/Abyss casket match, and I guess we're getting Morgan/Hardy for a second week in a row, oh and Raven was apparently "fired" but I'm not sure if this one is sticking or not. </span></p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> </span></p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> Now I know some guys have said "things are going good and people need to chill" but seriously three turns in two weeks? Just a few weeks after Morgan turned, isn't this what people have always bitcehd about? You can't do four, five, six turns in a months time it gets convulted and makes people not care about ANYONE. "Why should I care about good guys and bad guys they'll change sides in three weeks". </span></p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> </span></p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> Anyway thats whats going on with TNA the next couple of weeks. I called the Bubba turn but it seemed fairly obvious from their BFG promo on.</span></p>

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just read that TNA has parted ways with Eric Young. TNA offered him a significant pay cut compared to what he was making and he declined it. People at the iMpact tapings were a bit shocked he was low balled since he's been with the company forever and pretty much done whatever is asked of him when it was asked. <p> </p><p> I personally hope he winds up in the WWE. I know he won't get pushed and he might get regulated to Superstars but Eric has the tools to fit that company.</p></div></blockquote><p> I don't know they want him. To be honest, I'm not surprised they gave him a pay cut. He might have been with them forever, but int he world of wrestling, you have to hold your own water, at the very least, and he's not really doing that. He doesn't really have any skills that any other wrestler can't give to TNA. </p><p> </p><p> What IS surprising though, is that they chose NOW to give up on him. If they were going to do it, they should have done it SOONER, if that wasn't going to happen, not do it AT ALL. </p><p> </p><p> That's TNA for you.</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

Eric Young has a lot of charisma and serves as a great midcard comedy act or possibly tag partner for people. He was TNA's Santino basically but TNA just stopped using him regularly.

[Self]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jwt13" data-cite="jwt13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Reading this I get the feeling that y'all care too much about wrestling:rolleyes:</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There's nothing wrong with being super into wrestling... but complaining that TNA isn't a wrestling promotion you enjoy, at this point in the game, is a little fruitless. <em>They are what they are.</em> Clearly, without a regime change, they'll never be the show that all of the complainers want them to be. If you like TNA, rock on. If you don't, move on. Go watch something else. There's plenty of wrestling out there. You don't need TNA, so it's pointless getting worked up about it.</p>

[Hyde Hill]

To sum up we complain because we care and one of the main complaints is they are not what they are because they are all over the place. And this is the TNA <span style="text-decoration:underline;">discussion</span> thread. Plus all of the people complaining have also pointed out the good and or potential in TNA so its not all negative plus good valid reasons are given or it is made clear it is personal opinion. This is not mindless bashing or Dirtsheet writer copy pasting.

[juggaloninjalee]

<p>The only thing I am going to say about the "TNA bashing" is I wish that instead of just saying this Impact sucks cuz TNA has so much potential maybe people could say what they would do differently or how they would fix things more to their own preference.</p><p> </p><p>

The belt is pretty ugly and Jeff Hardy probably owns it. I don't think TNA would buy that thing but if they did then they have poor taste.</p>

[-laz-]

i wonder when bishoff will rename TNA World Total Non-Stop Action Championship Wrestling

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The only thing I am going to say about the "TNA bashing" is I wish that instead of just saying this Impact sucks cuz TNA has so much potential maybe people could say what they would do differently or how they would fix things more to their own preference.<p> </p><p> The belt is pretty ugly and Jeff Hardy probably owns it. I don't think TNA would buy that thing but if they did then they have poor taste.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> -Make The immortals smaller, reduce everyone's role but hardy's</p><p> </p><p> - If your going to insist on having 2 giant heel stables, you need to trim the fat in both. Not doing so leads to what they have now, where the show suffers because everything is related to either the immortal/fortune dominance or a short, non-storyline driven match to fill time.</p><p> </p><p> - pull the trigger on your homegrown talent. By pull the trigger, i don't mean have JAy leathal beat ric flair once, then job to a jersey shore gimmick character 3 months later. IF i'm supposed to be invested in guys like jay, matt morgan, ect then you need to have them cement thier spot over a long period of time.</p><p> </p><p> Right now what happens, and this is in the E as well (though they do stick with some guys) is that just as i get into the guy, you toss him back into a midcard or less fued (drew mac, swagger in the E) because you think because they didn't take off like the rock, the audience hates them. You have to put them through multiple fueds to invest me in them, not a one and done.</p><p> </p><p> - Focus less on the power struggle angle. It's tired, and since Dixie is a awful, awful on screen talent, I blatantly don't care. make your championship scene about the championship, not about hogan/EB vs. Dixie with the belt as a hood ornament on each faction's champion.</p><p> </p><p> Example: matt morgan fued. I like morgan, i am glad they are pushing him in anyway from what i read, but while i think the concussion storyline is intersting, it's not ABOUT the belt....Its about the belt because Jeff happens to be EB's place holder.</p><p> </p><p> That doesn't invest me in the belt at all. I would have started Morgan off absolutly rolling through fortune/abyss from immortals, make hardy have to step in to say "all right man, I'm the champ and THIS is why" </p><p> </p><p> Instead it feels like if you tick off EB, you get a title shot, instead of investing me in a guy by what he went through to get the shot.</p><p> </p><p> Does that make sense? kinda just shot from the hip there....</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jwt13" data-cite="jwt13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Reading this I get the feeling that y'all care too much about wrestling:rolleyes:</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> i know...how horrible...you came to a thread about wrestling on a message board where most of the posts are about a game meant to simulate the wrestling world and all you read is people talking about <em>wrestling</em>.</p><p> </p><p> It must be infuriating. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Would you happen to mean Anubis? The Egyptian god of the dead.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No..no..no..I meant that pharoah looking guy that was with Zed on the Rangers. </p><p> </p><p> <span>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aJp0qokcq7U/TIRjHd3lHQI/AAAAAAAAAxQ/Vvjw7jUiwsk/s320/goldar.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p> <span>http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lLsdaCVk3Kk/Sf-v21w_8NI/AAAAAAAA4KM/jEX-tulNNt0/s400/mmpr-zyu-goldar.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p> Apparently his name is Goldar.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't know they want him. To be honest, I'm not surprised they gave him a pay cut. He might have been with them forever, but int he world of wrestling, you have to hold your own water, at the very least, and he's not really doing that. He doesn't really have any skills that any other wrestler can't give to TNA. <p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Totally agree.Young is no great loss. Definitely not with the current regime.</p><p> </p><p> The only real negative is the message it sends to the locker-room and fans as it could be interpreted that "being a company man" and "being loyal" does you no good... if you aren't a big name from the WWE then you have no job security. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The only thing I am going to say about the "TNA bashing" is I wish that instead of just saying this Impact sucks cuz TNA has so much potential maybe people could say what they would do differently or how they would fix things more to their own preference.<p> </p><p> The belt is pretty ugly and Jeff Hardy probably owns it. I don't think TNA would buy that thing but if they did then they have poor taste.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />:confused:<img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Since when have wrestlers purchased their own belts and showed up on TV w/o clearing it with the company they represent? That's a ridiculous idea. </p><p> </p><p> They obviously ordered the belt ahead of time since the Hardy turn looks like it was planned a while back and Jeff probably had input. But you can bet TNA bought it and approved it. </p><p> </p><p> As for the "things that could be fixed" comment: several people have made long statements on ways they could improve.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: I think I've said this, but my biggest change would be similar to what crownsy said about pulling the trigger on their homegrown talent. If you want fans to get behind a guy, if you want him to be a star..the PUSH them. Keep them involved in storylines. Get them over by having them actually win a match on a PPV. </p><p> </p><p> Jay Lethal is a great example of a guy who had the rug pulled out from under him for no apparent reason. but the same could be said of Ken Anderson, Matt Morgan, The Pope and Desmond Wolfe at various points in time in the last few months alone. </p><p> </p><p> I get that in storyline terms this is the time when the heels should go over. They should be going over for a while actually. But there has to be a few guys you keep looking strong and looking like threats so that fans stay invested until the tide does turn.</p>

[Hyde Hill]

Also ad into this the fact that many possible solutions have been given by many different people and they, or at least I, don't want to keep repeating them. I know it's a big thread but if you look at the complaints lodged by me, Peter, Stennick, Bigpapa, DJfunk then you get a good idea at problems and solutions. I will just copy paste one of the big ones I did after BFG give me a sec to find it.