The Official ROH Discussion Thread

[cappyboy]

I'd like to applaud Ring of Honor for bringing back Matt Sydal. The guy is an incredible talent and should give a whole lot of people really good runs for their money.

 

However, I must also give them a warning from my inner "mark". This Reborn business? Nut uh. Not gonna fly. It always sounds well and good but then I see that promotional still and it all goes out the window. You could not convince me to buy a can of paint from a man you promote with that photo. Much less an inspirational face wrestling gimmick. That promotional shot makes him look like a smarmy little fraud with a very punchable face. Dude's been back for like 20 minutes and I'm already bracing for him to end up in The House of Truth or The Kingdom. Maybe even go Steve Corino evil and try to form his own concern. Although that might be easier if The Decade didn't exist. Anyway if you want us to root for Sydal, you have to make him look like he can be trusted. Because right now, he doesn't.

[cappyboy]

And for the first time, I hear what Michael Elgin's critics do with him on the stick. That promo was halting. It was incoherent. For a guy who's been repackaged as a devil may care rebel, Elgin didn't sound the least bit authentic. If anything, he sounded like the corporate puppet he claims he doesn't want to be. He sounded he was going out to talk like a rebel because he'd been ordered to do so. This is not going to be an easy sell job to say the least.

[TakerNGN74]

And for the first time, I hear what Michael Elgin's critics do with him on the stick. That promo was halting. It was incoherent. For a guy who's been repackaged as a devil may care rebel, Elgin didn't sound the least bit authentic. If anything, he sounded like the corporate puppet he claims he doesn't want to be. He sounded he was going out to talk like a rebel because he'd been ordered to do so. This is not going to be an easy sell job to say the least.

 

The character seems very true to life if that's indeed what they are going for because Elgin is a real piece of work from what I've heard. I met him at an ROH show in September 2013 and he was sitting at a table and being extremely annoying which turned a lot of people off. Plus his stunt of saying that he wont do podcasts unless he gets paid $25 to promote himself is a dumb move and made me lose a lot of respect for him.

[BHK1978]

The character seems very true to life if that's indeed what they are going for because Elgin is a real piece of work from what I've heard. I met him at an ROH show in September 2013 and he was sitting at a table and being extremely annoying which turned a lot of people off. Plus his stunt of saying that he wont do podcasts unless he gets paid $25 to promote himself is a dumb move and made me lose a lot of respect for him.

 

This.

 

I met him at an Indy show back in February and while most of the wrestlers on the card that were names (Jimmy Jacobs, Tommaso Ciampa, and a few others) interacted with the fans (Most of the wrestlers watched the show in the crowd with the fans) Elgin just sat by himself sulking in the wrestlers only section of the crowd.

[Big Roguey]

Elgin strikes me as someone that had one "good" match and let that go to his head.

[BHK1978]

Elgin strikes me as someone that had one "good" match and let that go to his head.

 

I never got why they handed him the title. He is by no means terrible in the ring but he has no personality and he looks like retired baseball player John Kruk. At least he got rid of the Bono mullet.

[The Final Countdown]

And for the first time, I hear what Michael Elgin's critics do with him on the stick. That promo was halting. It was incoherent. For a guy who's been repackaged as a devil may care rebel, Elgin didn't sound the least bit authentic. If anything, he sounded like the corporate puppet he claims he doesn't want to be. He sounded he was going out to talk like a rebel because he'd been ordered to do so. This is not going to be an easy sell job to say the least.

I thought the fact that he came to the interview with dip in his mouth was an appropriately prick move. But yeah, his delivery itself was bad, not that that's anything new. He's talented in the ring and I usually enjoy his matches, but he's weak in most other areas. Cole made for a better champ, and so does Briscoe.

[RayW]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><div style="text-align:center;"><img alt="11136647_642618149172457_3448683848666926671_n.jpg?oh=08a94d4515798adee19197646e4be329&oe=55F6CC6A" data-src="https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11136647_642618149172457_3448683848666926671_n.jpg?oh=08a94d4515798adee19197646e4be329&oe=55F6CC6A" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p><strong> DESTINATION AMERICA BRINGS MORE ACTION TO THE RING ACQUIRING THE RIGHTS TO RING OF HONOR’S WEEKLY TELEVISION PROGRAMMING</strong></p></div><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><div style="text-align:center;"><p>(Silver Spring, Md.) –Destination America announced today that it has signed a national broadcast deal with professional wrestling league RING OF HONOR, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc., bringing one of the most respected wrestling organizations to the only network dedicated to all-American entertainment. Destination America is now the one-two-punch to professional wrestling, adding RING OF HONOR (ROH) to its line-up after launching IMPACT WRESTLING in early 2015. RING OF HONOR has been delivering top wrestling matches for ten years with captivating hard-hitting stars such as Jay & Mark Briscoe, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, The Young Bucks, Maria Kanellis, Adam Cole and Jay Lethal. Destination America will pack on the action beginning Wednesday June 3 with the series premiere of RING OF HONOR at 8/7c leading into brand new premieres of IMPACT WRESTLING at 9/8c.</p><p> </p><p> "With the electric and intense matches that RING OF HONOR provides, Destination America is the network for fans to get an entire evening of jaw-dropping entertainment on Wednesday nights,” said Marc Etkind, general manager of Destination America. “RING OF HONOR showcases tenacity, athleticism and passion and it serves as the place where America’s favorite wrestling stars are born.”</p><p> </p><p> “We are very excited to be partnering with Destination America for the broader distribution of the ROH programming,” commented Joe Koff, Chief Operating Officer - Ring of Honor Wrestling. “ROH will now reach an additional 57 million households including those in New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia and other large cities where Ring of Honor is not currently airing. ROH has a loyal fan base and is one of the fastest growing major wrestling franchises in the country. With this great partnership with Destination America, we can continue to expand our footprint and reach while producing entertaining, original content and continuing to provide wrestling fans some of the best wrestling content available.”</p><p> </p><p> RING OF HONOR will premiere on Wednesday, June 3 leading into IMPACT WRESTLING, making Destination America the home for wrestling every Wednesday evening. The first match will feature the Briscoe Brothers, Mark and Jay, as they face off with the House of Truth in the main event. Also catch athletes of New Japan Pro Wrestling battle it out with the RING OF HONOR stars and follow former NFL lineman Moose compete against BJ Whitmer.</p><p> </p><p> Since launching in 2012, Destination America has become one of cable’s top fastest-growing networks, and continues to earn telecast ratings records among key series. In 2015 to date, Destination America has acquired over 50 million unique viewers. With top series that explore unique American cultures and ways of life – including Paranormal Survivor, Hillbilly Blood, Buying the Bayou, and BBQ Pitmasters – Destination America’s programming spans the nation from Alaska, Hawaii and Colorado to Louisiana, West Virginia and communities in between. To find Destination America, go to destinationamerica.com/watchda.</p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-size:8px;"><strong>About Destination America</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size:8px;"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:8px;"> Destination America is the only network to celebrate the people, places, and stories of the United States. The inclusive network targeting Adults 25-54 is available in more than 57 million homes, emblazoning television screens with the grit and tenacity, honesty and work ethic, humor and adventurousness that characterize our nation. Destination America features travel, food, adventure, home, and natural history, with original series like BBQ Pitmasters; A Haunting; Mountain Monsters; Buying Alaska; Buying the Bayou; and Railroad Alaska. For more information, please visit DestinationAmerica.com, facebook.com/DestinationAmerica, or twitter.com/DestAmerica. Destination America is part of Discovery Communications (Nasdaq: DISCA, DISCB, DISCK), the world’s #1 pay-TV provider reaching nearly 3 billion cumulative subscribers in 220 countries and territories.</span></p></div><p></p><p></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The picture is from the DA Facebook page (<a href="https://www.facebook.com/DestinationAmerica/photos/a.240314916069451.39586.199376510163292/642618149172457/?type=1&theater" rel="external nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/DestinationAmerica/photos/a.240314916069451.39586.199376510163292/642618149172457/?type=1&theater</a>), the statement is from here (<a href="http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/05/27/destination-america-acquires-rights-to-professional-wrestling-league-ring-of-honor/409080/" rel="external nofollow">http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/05/27/destination-america-acquires-rights-to-professional-wrestling-league-ring-of-honor/409080/</a>).</p>

[The Final Countdown]

The only thing I care about is whether or not the show will still be carried by the Sinclair affiliates as well, as I don't have Destination America. If DA is the exclusive home of ROH going forward, I guess my days of following the company will be ending.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The only thing I care about is whether or not the show will still be carried by the Sinclair affiliates as well, as I don't have Destination America. If DA is the exclusive home of ROH going forward, I guess my days of following the company will be ending.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wonder if they will have two different shows like they used to do with Superstars and Raw. What I mean by that is have the main show be on Destination America and have a secondary/highlight show on the Sinclair affiliates.</p><p> </p><p> My market only just started showing ROH last month again, after having not gotten it for about five months or so. The thing is they show it after SNL so it is kind of a pain in the ass to watch (I do not have a DVR so it is either watch it live or don't watch it at all for me.) so I am glad they are moving over to DA because it means I can watch them at a decent time.</p>

[The Final Countdown]

<p>Just saw this on a blog I follow, with credit given to PWInsider:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>*The series on Destination America will be the same series that is owned and distributed by Sinclair Broadcasting. The episodes will debut over the weekend for Sinclair affiliates and then air Wednesday on Destination America.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Assuming this is true, I'm pleased. I'll still be able to watch the show, and they'll have a chance to reach a broader audience. Win-win.</p>

[RayW]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just saw this on a blog I follow, with credit given to PWInsider:<p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Assuming this is true, I'm pleased. I'll still be able to watch the show, and they'll have a chance to reach a broader audience. Win-win.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Failing that, you could watch the shows on their website too. Although they may be a week behind on the site, not sure.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RayW" data-cite="RayW" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Failing that, you could watch the shows on their website too. Although they may be a week behind on the site, not sure.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Their website uploads shows on Thursday, which would be one day after the DA airing</p><p> </p><p> This essentially doubles ROH's reach</p>

[cappyboy]

Thank you for that blog quote, Brother Countdown. That is going to have to be true for me to keep watching RoH. If they become a Destination America exclusive, I will be forced to drop them due to my ongoing beef with Discovery.

[Stennick]

So it sounds like this show will be the same show that aired this weekend for me. House of Truth going up against the Briscoes. I wonder if the shows booked going forward will have a "bigger" feel to them now that they are in twice as many homes. I would hope they would take time to re introduce the company and characters to the much larger audience going forward.

[Mootinie]

<p><img alt="CGr46JXU8AAu7vw.png:large" data-src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGr46JXU8AAu7vw.png:large" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Forum post from Big Daddy Dave on the Observer board that I found on Twitter.</p><p> </p><p>

And, according to some tweets that are posted off a report I haven't seen yet...</p><p> </p><p>

'ROH's combined viewership on just DA was 273,000 combined. TNA did just under 370k combined.'</p><p> </p><p>

'163,000 for ROH on Destination America. Replay at 11PM did 110,000. TNA's replay did 72,000.'</p><p> </p><p>

So, good for ROH.</p>

[CQI13]

Do we kill ROH for their 8 pm slot being taken away on DA?

[Big Roguey]

Do we kill ROH for their 8 pm slot being taken away on DA?

 

Nah, they still have TV if the DA deal goes tits up.

[milamber]

Does anyone have a list of all the major ROH events and which are most recommended? I'm only a casual. I watch maybe 4-5 events per year to keep up. The last 2 I watched were Final Battle and War of the Worlds.

[liontamer]

Caught a few minutes of one of their shows on TV for the first time. Now I completely understand the comments about their camera work. Very far below WWE or TNA in that area, but the in ring action I saw was good.

[guyver3]

Does anyone have a list of all the major ROH events and which are most recommended? I'm only a casual. I watch maybe 4-5 events per year to keep up. The last 2 I watched were Final Battle and War of the Worlds.

 

the main 4 shows as i remember it were The Anniversary show, Death Before Dishonor, Glory by Honor, and Final Battle. I haven't been able to follow ROH as much in the last few years so I'm not sure if any of these have fallen out in favor of shows like Best in the World, and War of the Worlds but Final Battle was ROH's Wrestlemania equivalent show

[The Final Countdown]

the main 4 shows as i remember it were The Anniversary show, Death Before Dishonor, Glory by Honor, and Final Battle. I haven't been able to follow ROH as much in the last few years so I'm not sure if any of these have fallen out in favor of shows like Best in the World, and War of the Worlds but Final Battle was ROH's Wrestlemania equivalent show

Final Battle is still the biggest. The other three don't particularly stand out anymore. Best in the World is probably their second biggest show now, unless you want to take the supershows with New Japan into account.

[BHK1978]

Caught a few minutes of one of their shows on TV for the first time. Now I completely understand the comments about their camera work. Very far below WWE or TNA in that area, but the in ring action I saw was good.

 

Yeah they have the habit of shooting directly into the lights which is horrible. Though I have to say they have not done that recently.

[milamber]

Thanks guys. Anything worth watching since War of the Worlds?

[Stennick]

Their production all around is pretty horrible. I hate the lighting period. Its so dark it comes across as bush league. The set if you want to call it that is non existent. The company badly needs to invest in its production values if it ever wants to be taken as a serious operation outside of its hardcore fanbase.