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[Jaysin]

As a Cleveland fan and North Eastern Ohio resident, I should hate the Ravens, but they're actually my number three team(after the Browns and Jaguars).

 

If this is Ray's last season for real, this dance alone is glorious enough to go out on let alone crushing the Colts.

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[Remianen]

The problem with Sanchez is he hasn't even proved to be a very effective "game manager." His 18 picks the last two years have been way too high, and his completion percentage (54 this year, 56 last year, 55 two years ago), is consistently among the worst in the league. I mean his numbers match up with Rex Grossman, who is not exactly the picture of "game manager." The Jets definitely need to move on, whether that's trading for Alex Smith or Matt Flynn, or signing some other mediocre QB (because at this point mediocre is an improvement).

 

I think the problem arises when people ask Sanchez to be more than a game manager. Like when teams key on the run and force him to be the hero. He's never going to be highly accurate, he's never going to have a high QBR, but he might be good at converting 3rd and 7 (as long as all it takes is throwing to Dustin Keller). He's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier (how smart can you be when you try to ram your face up your center's butt and lose the ball in the process?), but he can be somewhat effective with play action.

 

He's a backup but he could spot start for a team with a pure dropback passer. He's no Jim Sorgi but he's a helluva lot better than Jamarcus Russell.

 

Flacco actually is a pretty good game manager, but he's definitely not a top 5 QB, and probably not even a top 10. He's barely top 15... cue the sign and trade with the Cardinals, Jets, Jaguars, Titans, or Chiefs.

 

No no. According to him, he's elite! Because if he doesn't believe he's elite, no one else will. Odd though. Are there really up to 15 quarterbacks in the league better than Flacco? He's gotta be better than Tony Ohno!

 

Andy Reid is the greatest coach in Eagles history, but it was time to go. The fans turned on him and the players gave up on him. Now the Eagles fans will be waxing nostalgic about 2005 for the next three years as they bottom out with this team that is both overpaid and terrible. Turner is a better coordinator than coach; I wonder if San Francisco would take him back.

 

This is petty but I am loving seeing Nnamdi Asomugha suffer in Philly. Considering the fact that he turned down the Broncos offer (the very idea of him playing opposite Champ gave me fever) and went to Philly AFTER Jim Johnson had died (meaning, the defensive scheme was in flux), makes me giggle. Sit home and watch the playoffs from your couch, just like you did in Oakland.

 

What I don't understand is why Andy would go to Kansas City. That city is more snakebit than the one he was run out of! They have the #1 pick but need a quarterback and there are no QBs worth drafting first overall. He's walking into a multiyear rebuilding situation, poor guy.

 

Norv should remain a coordinator but I don't think the Niners have a place for him.

 

Chip Kelly's offense would not work in the NFL without heavy modifications (that would make it no longer Chip Kelly's offense). The reason I believe it wouldn't be successful is the stress it puts on their own defense (lot of time on the field if you're striking quickly). Doug Marrone in Buffalo just shows that the Bills aren't interested in actually winning games. A lot is being made about how he was the Saints' offensive coordinator but, come on, who's buying that? The Saints offense has always been Sean Payton's baby. At best, Marrone was a babysitter!

 

As a Cleveland fan and North Eastern Ohio resident, I should hate the Ravens, but they're actually my number three team(after the Browns and Jaguars).

 

WHA? Do you just gravitate to awful teams with no hope of ever seeing a game in February? I mean, the Ravens are my 2nd favorite team (which made my trip to M&T a few weeks ago quite difficult) but the Browns and Jags will never see a Super Bowl (in both ways of thinking. Jacksonville is a horrible Super Bowl host city and Cleveland is, well, cold and isn't opening a billion dollar stadium anytime soon).

[Jaysin]

WHA? Do you just gravitate to awful teams with no hope of ever seeing a game in February? I mean, the Ravens are my 2nd favorite team (which made my trip to M&T a few weeks ago quite difficult) but the Browns and Jags will never see a Super Bowl (in both ways of thinking. Jacksonville is a horrible Super Bowl host city and Cleveland is, well, cold and isn't opening a billion dollar stadium anytime soon).

 

Well, I'm from Kent, which is 45 minutes south of Cleveland. Browns fan born and raised.

 

Jaguars on the other hand, by the time I got to an age where I could form my own opinions the Jaguars were highly entertaining to watch. Mark Brunell is my favorite QB actually, so go ahead and hate on me even more

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> He's a backup but he could spot start for a team with a pure dropback passer. He's no Jim Sorgi but he's a helluva lot better than Jamarcus Russell. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think I'd take Vince Young over Sanchez just on the philosophy that Young <em>might</em> win the game for me anyway, even if he did just spend 5 grand at the Cheesecake Factory.</p>

[bigtplaystew]

Half the league is running Chip Kelly's offense right now. It's the spread offense.

[Remianen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, I'm from Kent, which is 45 minutes south of Cleveland. Browns fan born and raised. <p> </p><p> Jaguars on the other hand, by the time I got to an age where I could form my own opinions the Jaguars were highly entertaining to watch. Mark Brunell is my favorite QB actually, so go ahead and hate on me even more <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm not hating. I'm just wondering why longsuffering fans like yourself continue to support teams that never produce. Now, the Jaguars of Mark Brunell's era were somewhat exciting. Built badly, but they were exciting. I used to love Jimmy Smith, for example, and no one's going to question Tony Boselli's effectiveness. But, like the old country song goes, all gave some but some gave all (google Brian DeMarco and see what kind of shape he's in nowadays) but since that period, they haven't been any good. A few flashes here and there, but they're always making the same mistakes (hi Kevin Hardy! Headcase Marcedes Lewis, and taking 'system linebacker' Derrick Harvey over the likes of Ryan Clady, Dustin Keller, Duane Brown, shutdown corner Aqib Talib (another headcase but still...), etc). It just seems like parity never made it to Jacksonville when even the LIONS have better playoff hopes than the Jaguars.</p><p> </p><p> Mind you, this is coming from the person who had to suffer through blowout Super Bowl losses....but it's the Super Bowl!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think I'd take Vince Young over Sanchez just on the philosophy that Young <em>might</em> win the game for me anyway, even if he did just spend 5 grand at the Cheesecake Factory.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You sir, owe me a new keyboard. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Half the league is running Chip Kelly's offense right now. It's the spread offense.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No, it's not. That's like saying half the league is running Mike Leach's offense. Or half the league is running Chris Petersen's offense. Or half the league is running Rich Rodriguez's offense. I know giving everything pass-oriented with multiple receivers a simple name makes it easier for people to (think they) understand, but that doesn't make it true. The plays are different, the keys are different, line splits are different, the terminology is different, and the goals are different. If you really wanted to simplify it, you could say that all these colleges and NFL teams are running Don Coryell's offense, since that's where all of this originates from. The old San Diego State cradle that produced so many championships on all levels of play. Tiger Ellison had a similar idea that one Darrel "Mouse" Davis refined when trying to turn Portland State into a winning program. Of course, back then, everyone wanted to call it 'the Run & Shoot'. To a casual fan, it looks exactly the same as what you're calling the spread offense, but is it the same? Nope.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>WHA? Do you just gravitate to awful teams with no hope of ever seeing a game in February?</strong> <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I mean, the Ravens are my 2nd favorite team (which made my trip to M&T a few weeks ago quite difficult) but the Browns and Jags will never see a Super Bowl (in both ways of thinking. Jacksonville is a horrible Super Bowl host city and Cleveland is, well, cold and isn't opening a billion dollar stadium anytime soon).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> So what you're saying is we should just root for the team that wins...not be an actual fan of a team....but the one that wins the super bowl each year.</p><p> </p><p> I've been a Skins fan for MANY years and they've not had any good seasons ...in over 10 years...Do I gravitate to awful teams...NO I'm a FAN of a team...that's what being a fan is...ya know being there through the good and bad seasons....</p>

[bigtplaystew]

OK Remi to clarify, here is where I had a problem:

 

Chip Kelly's offense would not work in the NFL without heavy modifications (that would make it no longer Chip Kelly's offense).

 

It's the spread offense. Of course there are differences between how each coach and each team runs it. My issue with your assessment and it's my mistake for not being more clear is that Chip Kelly isn't the type of coach who sticks to his system strictly. His entire reputation for success is built upon his adaptability. He's constantly tweaking and adjusting things. So you saying his system wouldn't work in the NFL without making adjustments is a moot point. Of course he'd tweak it if he hit the pros. Every college coach tweaks his system a bit in the NFL. To not do so would be suicide. His adaptability leads me to think that if any coach's system would work, his is as likely as any.

 

That said, as an Eagles fan, I hope to god the Browns get him lol. I want an NFL coach that can properly evaluate talent and develop them. I think the Eagles are going to be in rough shape for a year or two at least unless the problem REALLY WAS simply the battered o-line, but I think their problems go way deeper than that. So I'd like an NFL coach who understands talent at THIS level and knows how to develop them and put them in the right positions. The Eagles' best teams did not come from huge free agent signings like they've tried to do in the last few years. They came from drafting well, evaluating talent, and developing them for what you require them to do. All we have to do is find a freak talent like McNabb and we're good :-)

[crownsy]

Half the league is running Chip Kelly's offense right now. It's the spread offense.

 

yea, I don't get the line of thinking it won't work. All it entails is uptempo spread offense. Most of the best teams (GB, NE, NO, ATL) run some version of it.

 

Hell, the patriots run almost 15 offensive plays PER GAME more than the next closest NFL team and guess who Bill has told the media around here he talks with in the off-season about new offensive trends? Chip Kelly.

 

Just because Tom doesn't have to be told the play to run through big clipboards on the sideline doesn't mean that NE's offense doesn't borrow heavily from the college game. Chip kelly's offense has already hit the NFL, the question is if he can get his even faster version of it down with a QB who may not be as malleable to learning new schemes as a college kid, and if your typical NFL team will be open to getting into the kind of conditioning it takes to run his system.

[Remianen]

So what you're saying is we should just root for the team that wins...not be an actual fan of a team....but the one that wins the super bowl each year.

 

I've been a Skins fan for MANY years and they've not had any good seasons ...in over 10 years...Do I gravitate to awful teams...NO I'm a FAN of a team...that's what being a fan is...ya know being there through the good and bad seasons....

 

You might want to read what I wrote in the next post rather than pop off like you know something.

 

I have been a Denver Broncos fan since Craig Morton was quarterback (1980). Diehard. I have never lived in Colorado but I have been a season ticket holder of MY team. I don't know if you're aware of this but the Broncos kinda lost a few Super Bowls (by lopsided margins) before we won back to back titles. If you're going to call me a fairweather fan, you should probably make sure you can boast more dedication.

 

Let me break down what I meant before the casual fan revolution takes root. (Mind you, there's nothing wrong with casual fans. But sometimes the subject is deeper than a casual fan's depth of knowledge can cover.) There are some teams that are rotten to the core. Their entire organizations are incompetent and they rarely seem able to get out of their own way. The Lions with Matt Millen in charge. The Falcons until the 90s. The Raiders, who manage to catch lightning in a bottle once a decade and look competent (but it's always temporary). The Browns since their recent inception (remember, the Browns of today are only the Browns because the NFL forced Art Modell to relinquish the name. This isn't the Browns of 'The Drive' and 'The Fumble' though apparently those events have cast a pall over this franchise as well). The pre-Payton/Brees Saints. Those franchises that seem incapable of ever doing anything right. The ones who consider 'making the playoffs' (and getting bounced in the first round) a successful season. Teams that have had a double digit number of coaches in the last single digit number of years qualify. Great organizations tend to put together winning seasons almost without really trying. The Patriots. The Giants (in the Accorsi era and beyond). The Packers (from Ron Wolf to the present). The Ravens (Newsome & DaCosta). The Falcons (after Thomas Dimitroff got there).

 

bigtplaystew, I get what you're saying. I'm just kinda tired of the wunderkind college coach that dominates the offseason coaching searches who supposedly has this special offense (or defense) all their own. A few years ago, if you remember, it was Chris Petersen of Boise State. Also Mike Leach during his Texas Tech stint, Gary Pinkel of Missouri, and so on. I also get kinda annoyed at oversimplification of what are very complex schemes with differences that become obvious once you look beyond the 'they pass the ball a lot' similarity. With that lack of distinction, what's the real difference between the West Coast offense and the spread? Personnel? They both pass the ball a lot.

 

The Belichick example is kinda flawed though. He's spent time with Mouse, June Jones, Steve Spurrier, and Kurt Bryan & Steve Humphries. He's also spent a couple weeks with Jimmy Johnson, picking his brain (one example is depicted in the NFL Network series 'A Football Life: Jimmy Johnson'). That's just Bill Belichick. He's always trying to find new wrinkles on both sides of the ball, as well as in the front office and scouting areas (which is what he and Jimmy spoke about).

 

I would agree with you though. Someone with more experience and knowledge of how an NFL team operates (or should operate) would probably be a better idea for an established traditionally contending team like the Eagles. The Chiefs made the right decision, assuming they can get Tom Heckert as well. I'm curious to see who he hires for his staff though. Marty Morningweg as OC again? Who would be DC? Monte Kiffin is available, so that might be a possibility. Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali are an excellent duo for the Tampa 2.

 

But the Eagles already have a freak talent. Trent Cole. A good DC would have him play the elephant (the scheme position made famous by Charles Haley) and move him all around the line. Jim Johnson used to do that.

[Unregistered]

You might want to read what I wrote in the next post rather than pop off like you know something.

 

I have been a Denver Broncos fan since Craig Morton was quarterback (1980). Diehard. I have never lived in Colorado but I have been a season ticket holder of MY team. I don't know if you're aware of this but the Broncos kinda lost a few Super Bowls (by lopsided margins) before we won back to back titles. If you're going to call me a fairweather fan, you should probably make sure you can boast more dedication.

 

First off, really? I know your hollier then thou demener is normally treated as the holy light from god himself around here, but do get over yourself you dummy.

 

I don't care what your mother told you, your not special, you are not the brightest star in the sky, and most of all, your not always right.

 

This forum wasn't built for you to give bad info on TEW games, or act like you have a clue (outside of what you've read) about wrestling. Try and allow others to have opinions, because unlike you, they are willing to listen to yours on occasion.

 

You don't have to try and outdo everyone. Your ego isn't that connected to your e-peen. Your a grown man (allegedly). Why do you HAVE to always bring up your wallet? You have to throw in that you owned a season ticket for a team you couldn't even go see. You can't just say your a fan, you HAD to have spent money on it.

 

 

I know I could have made this statement on many other occasions, but your idiocy is just so strong.. That I jjust couldn't hold it back any longer. I truly hope, one day, someone brings you to the doctor and you can get disabillity payments for your obviously overblown case of aspergers. You have no social skills. You have never even learnt how to have a conversation with another human being. The reason why MLT hates you, is because your a shmuck.

 

The fact that you like the Denver Bronco's gave me the momentary inclination to destroy all my old John Elway stuff, just because you can be such an dick. You have that effect on many people, there are just quite a few that won't say anything because they believe you will buy them things...

 

And I guess thats why you always bring up money.

 

Please grow up Remi, go to the doctor, talk to him for a few minutes. If he has any sense, he'll send you to the right doctor that will put you on meds, and make sure you have a chance to talk in a group that'll let you get out all your issues and allow you to feel like a big man. Until that point, grow a sack of your own and don't try and impress everyone so much.

[moon_lit_tears]

You might want to read what I wrote in the next post rather than pop off like you know something.

 

I have been a Denver Broncos fan since Craig Morton was quarterback (1980). Diehard. I have never lived in Colorado but I have been a season ticket holder of MY team. I don't know if you're aware of this but the Broncos kinda lost a few Super Bowls (by lopsided margins) before we won back to back titles. If you're going to call me a fairweather fan, you should probably make sure you can boast more dedication.

.

 

This was as far as I got in your self serving post.

 

1. Dedication doesn't mean you are at EVERY game or spend thousands of dollars on that team.

2. So you hold season tickets whoopie.

 

When do you have time to go? According to you...

 

You work full time (plus overtime)

You play at least 4 different MMOs and spend a great deal of time and money on them.

You spend hours on TEA and other such games.

You travel often,

 

So with all this bragging of time Nd money...where are the copies of TEW you promised people? Or the fact your company is...what was it you said...a million dollars in debt?

 

Try putting effort into actually living a life rather than portraying a life on the Internet.

 

You come on here and talk about all you have Nd all you've done.

 

You own someone because their team isn't so great. Well guess what? You're an ass. Straight up an ass. I'm not the only one who thinks it (I've been told be a few) but I am the one who will tell you this.

[lazorbeak]

So... how about we use this thread to talk about football?

 

Baltimore at Denver- right now the line on this is 9.5/10 points, and I just don't see where that's justified. Yes, the Broncos won by 17 in Baltimore, but that wasn't against a healthy Raven's defense, and that also had a 10-14 point swing where the game could have very easily been 10-7 at halftime (instead, it was 17-0, which is pretty much death for the Ravens). Not only were the Ravens missing some key pieces on defense, they were missing Boldin, who looked amazing last week against the Colts. I still think the Broncos win this game because I trust Manning a lot more than I trust Flacco when it comes to running a 4th quarter drive to take the lead, but I don't really see this as a blow-out.

 

Houston at New England- Houston really should be a match-up issue for the Patriots, with their strong defense and great receiver in Andre Johnson, but they can't/won't go downfield, and if the Patriots offense can score more than 25, they win. The good news for the Texans is that they only gave up 25 6 times all season (and won two of those games in overtime), the bad news is the Patriots scored 42 the last time these teams played. The ten point line still seems high, but it's either going to be a close game or an absolute blow-out, depending on whether the Texans are able to get in the end zone once or twice in the first half.

 

Seattle at Atlanta- I have a hard time thinking of the last time a #1 seed was this much of an afterthought, but the Falcons are just not that good a team. Their biggest wins were against a still settling in Broncos team at home in week 2, and escaping with a 7 point win in Washington. The only thing I like is their ability to score in the 4th quarter with their receivers and Matt Ryan. Meanwhile, the Seahawks are 9-1 in their last 10, with a better running game, a better defense, and better special teams. Wilson didn't look great last week, but he doesn't really have to be on this team. Atlanta is still favored by a 1 to 2.5 point margin, but you have to believe most of the money is coming in on the Seahawks side, to the point that they could conceivably be the favorites by Sunday. I think Seattle wins thanks to a special teams/defensive touchdown and a good but not great performance from its offense.

 

Green Bay at San Francisco- I think you have to throw away that week 1 game, because it was so long ago, and it featured absolutely wretched officiating, with tons of missed calls on both sides. I actually like Green Bay to win this one, because I think their defense is going to be pretty good with Woodson and Matthews back in the line-up, and I don't really trust CK to make smart plays for sixty minutes. He can do a lot of positive things, but one or two bad reads or fumbles after scrambles undoes a lot. The line right now is 2.5-3 points, but I think I like the Packers to win a close game (although hopefully it never comes down to their awful kicking game).

[Stennick]

I don't see anybody on either side of the league that is going to stop the Patriots.....again. I really hate that I have to keep saying that and I know in years past something has always stopped them from winning the super bowl. A unimaginable catch, a dropped pass by Welker but this is it I'm going to be miserable watching either Seattle/San Francisco playing the Patriots my three most hated teams.

[lazorbeak]

I don't see anybody on either side of the league that is going to stop the Patriots.....again. I really hate that I have to keep saying that and I know in years past something has always stopped them from winning the super bowl. A unimaginable catch, a dropped pass by Welker but this is it I'm going to be miserable watching either Seattle/San Francisco playing the Patriots my three most hated teams.

 

Fortunately Denver has home field, a good defense, and a good downfield offense, so they actually match up pretty well against the Patriots. This is the same team that lost close games to the Ravens and Seahawks, and looked completely outmatched by the 49ers for a half, so they're definitely not the same squad that came in 16-0 a few years back. They did beat Denver, but I think beating them a second time, on the road, in the playoffs, is asking a lot from Brady and the offense.

[Remianen]

Yeah, I totally have to apologize to MLT for my response. I was projecting, plain and simple. Dealing with people who think I'm a Broncos fan because of Peyton annoys me because fairweather fans annoy me. The folks who like a team because they're successful now and can't name a person on the roster except the quarterback. The people who love 'the Dream Team' and try to throw stones from a papier-mache house. "Tebow is a gimmick" (yeah, gimmick who has more playoff wins to his name than Matt Ryan). I now live at the intersection of Eagles and Steelers fans but no one's talking now.

 

Be that as it may, I directed my frustration at the wrong person and for that I apologize.

[LoganRodzen]

I live in New England and I hate the Patriots. I have my whole life. My family resents me on Sunday's and most of my friends are bitter. I've never liked the Patriots and I never will. I'm a Titans fan since 1999 when they changed over from the Oilers name and logo. I was ten years old and its the first time I remember getting behind a team for an entire season and sticking with them. Living in Maine you get used to running the football when playing local sports and watching local sports. There's a few teams that can sling the football around in the state but it's mostly a ground and pound approach from most coaches up here.

 

That's why I've always liked the Titans and I'll continue to follow them. We run the ball and we play tough defense (we didn't do either very well on a consistent basis this year). One day I hope to travel back to Tennessee and get to LP Field in Nashville. I've been to TN once before but it was Memphis to see Graceland with my mom and brother (they are Elvis fans, I'm not).

 

Basically, I'm pulling for the Texans to beat the Patriots and I'd honestly like to see them win the Super Bowl. I'm not bitter towards a fellow AFC South team having success. I'd prefer to see them win it over anyone else. Broncos vs Texans would be a very good AFC Championship game. I'm hopeful the Texans can open up their game with the Patriots a lot better and can establish Foster on the ground before the Pats get ahead on the scoreboard. Definitely don't want to see a repeat of last time.

 

Opposite end of the spectrum I'm pulling for Seahawks and Packers. Rematch of the INTERCEPTIONTOUCHDOWN.

[moon_lit_tears]

I now live in New England area too, but still not rooting for them. It seems most people up here can't stand thr.

 

I've been a Skins an since the late 80's.

 

No I can't name people from back then. I was not yet in my tens o..

 

Anyway I'm looking for the Ravens to go far. I'm not the biggest fan of them even though they were my home teem for most of my life (well after they arrived in the league) but I had a teem and I wasn't jumping ship.

 

Not a fan of any of the teems left other than the Ravens spheres hoping for a Super bowl winners party in Baltimore.

 

I think the Skins would have had a better chance if they had taken RG3 out at the end of the first half. .

[BHK1978]

I live in New England and I hate the Patriots. I have my whole life. My family resents me on Sunday's and most of my friends are bitter. I've never liked the Patriots and I never will. I'm a Titans fan since 1999 when they changed over from the Oilers name and logo. I was ten years old and its the first time I remember getting behind a team for an entire season and sticking with them. Living in Maine you get used to running the football when playing local sports and watching local sports. There's a few teams that can sling the football around in the state but it's mostly a ground and pound approach from most coaches up here.

 

Same here, I have been a Giants fan since I was a kid. When I was young LT and Phil Simms were my two favorite players. I became a Giants fan because my father was one as well because when he was a kid the Giants were the local team in New England (The Redskins moved to Washington the year he was born.). My father is also a Patriots fan and I actually did not mind them in the late 80's but I grew to hate them when Bill Parcells and Bledsoe came to town.

 

I have talked about this on here many times in the past, but in the years between when the Patriots got their asses handed to them by the Bears and the arrival of Parcells, almost nobody was a Patriots fan. Heck even the former Patriots QB Steve Grogan said that he wished that the Pats had the fan support back then that they do now.

 

When I was young everyone was either a Dolphins or 49ers fan. I remember as a kid going to Sullivan Stadium/Foxboro Stadium and there being nobody at the games.

 

Heck my father and I once sat in the first row when the Patriots were playing the Jim Kelly led Bills because there was nobody in the stadium to see a team as good as the Bills. Then Parcells came on the scene and they Patriots started to win and all of a sudden all of these "die hard" Patriots fans came out of the wood work. Talking about how they have always been Patriots fans, when most of them were Dolphins fans just a few years before.

 

So I grew to hate the Patriots because of their fans more than anything else. If they had loyal fans that stuck by them no matter what like the Packers or Giants, I would not hate the Patriots. However, because most of the Patriots fans I know are obnoxious bandwagon jumpers (Not all mind you, just most.) I love to see them lose.

 

That look on Tom Brady's face when they lost to the Giants the first time in the Super Bowl was just priceless. Plus that Super Bowl loss finally shut the Red Sox fans up about the 2004 ALCS (Because most Patriots fans are Red Sox fans.) so that made my day as well.

[LoganRodzen]

That was one of the best football games I've ever seen. The Ravens deserved to win that football game. I didn't want to see Ray's career end yet either. I went into the game wanting the Broncos to pull off the win but I changed after I saw how hard the Ravens were playing.

[GruntMark]

Yeah, that was a crazy game.

[The Final Countdown]

That was one of the best football games I've ever seen. The Ravens deserved to win that football game. I didn't want to see Ray's career end yet either. I went into the game wanting the Broncos to pull off the win but I changed after I saw how hard the Ravens were playing.

Best? No way. One of the most dramatic, maybe, but it was sloppy as hell.

[Jaysin]

 

So much drama.

[LoganRodzen]

Best? No way. One of the most dramatic, maybe, but it was sloppy as hell.

 

It was a tough fought game on both ends and it went back and forth the entire time. I've seen games that were terrible until the final ten minutes and people call it the "best game ever". I'd consider that an overstatement but I don't consider calling it "ones of the best games ever" wrong. I didn't say it was the best. I said it was one of the best. A game that you can't take your eyes off of (which that was) can be considered a great game.

[bigtplaystew]

A dramatic game is a great game. When both teams play to perfection on both sides of the ball, they neutralize each other and you don't always get the most excitement out of it.

 

Mistakes = fun. And there's been zero NFL games played without mistakes on one side of the ball or the other.