ampulator Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 Yushin Okami is tough for anyone. Despite being primarily a wrestler, he has never been submitted, and he has only one TKO loss. Bisping is going to have an incredibly hard time against him. Look at his size, how he cut to 185, I would never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 I would rather see him go against Marquardt/Okami loser or Maia if he wins, while the Wanderlei rematch might satisfy him personally I just dont see the gains from it, Wanderlei isn't considered a top 10 fighter anymore and everyones kind of accepted that by now. Of course since he did lose to him Bispings chances of losing to Wanderlei are quite possible which would throw him off the "title track" that he's on...13 fights and five years later... I just don't think the gains outweight the losses. If he wins its "yeah well you really should have won the first fight as well and Wanderlei's far from his prime" if he loses its an i told you so and push the reset on the title run. Wish there was a legit top guy for him to fight right now to test himself. I guess there's also Anthony Johnson if he decides to fight at 185 when he returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingofHonorGuard Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 I'm actually one of the few people that think Lesnar is going to absolutely maul Velasquez. Think Brock is going to come into this one feeling like he has something to prove due to how the early round of his fight with Carwin went. I think this one is going to the ground and Cain is going to get "Brock/Mir II'd". I think Shields wins a decision over Kampmann. Hamill with a TKO over Ortiz. Paulo Thiago with a decision over Sanchez. Schaub by TKO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bus Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 I also see Brock dominating to a quick TKO through his strength, wrestling and ground & pound being so superior. Brock can take a punch, but Velazquez always has the chance for a stoppage through his good striking. I hope Shields and Hamill win their matches, I like those guys. My predictions: Lesnar by TKO round 2 Shields by decision Thiago by submission round 3 Hamill by TKO round 3 Schaub by decision McGee by submission round 3 Cote by TKO round 2 Guymon by decision Stout by TKO round 2 Dong Yi Yang by decision Yvel by KO round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted October 23, 2010 Author Share Posted October 23, 2010 On the Bisping debate, it's got to be Maia really. The UFC are praying that Grove doesn't beat him, else they face the prospect of putting Mike in with the winner of Nate/Okami. It's gone past the point of wanting now...they need Bisping to win, now more than ever. Pearson, Hathaway and Hardy have all been literally or figuratively crushed in the past few weeks...Bisping is the only Brit with any kind of momentum. For my money, Maia is the most winnable fight at MW for Bisping in terms of top guys. What I would have liked to see is Leben fighting Wand instead of Stann, with Bisping fighting Maia maybe a month or so later and the winners facing off for a title shot after the Okami/Marquardt winner gets theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 On the Bisping debate, it's got to be Maia really. The UFC are praying that Grove doesn't beat him, else they face the prospect of putting Mike in with the winner of Nate/Okami. It's gone past the point of wanting now...they need Bisping to win, now more than ever. Pearson, Hathaway and Hardy have all been literally or figuratively crushed in the past few weeks...Bisping is the only Brit with any kind of momentum. For my money, Maia is the most winnable fight at MW for Bisping in terms of top guys. What I would have liked to see is Leben fighting Wand instead of Stann, with Bisping fighting Maia maybe a month or so later and the winners facing off for a title shot after the Okami/Marquardt winner gets theirs. /nod, this Stann fight...well, I have no idea who Brian Stann is, so after Leben's last win, it was quite underwhelming. And now the whole thing with the DUI as well...plus in various videos Wand himself and Dana were teasing the Leben fight, so I don't quite get it, he loses to this guy and it's all gone wrong when Leben/Wand would surely be absolutely epic and could be a co main event. Instead it's behind Carwin/Nelson and on a card headlined by Edgar/Maynard. Makes no sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Here's the thing. If Bisping can keep it standing, and I'm not so sure he can, he will win against Maia via Decision. However, it will be a not-so-exciting fight, because Maia isn't a striker. And if Maia goes down, will Bisping go down with him? If he does, he loses. We might have another "Werdum" all over again if that happens. The real question is, is Maia's takedowns good enough? If it is, he will win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Yes! =D Also no interview for shields? lol still getting a title shot? Think the weight cut hurt him but he barely tried any submissions. Still, he stands as good a chance as any as GSP and would force GSP to mix it up, so it's a match that makes sense. Would be kinda interested to see him vs. Fitch as well, haha. edit; HOLY **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Good God Cain is an absolute monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephrinn Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Cain just tore through Brock...unbelievable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoloftjunkie Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 That has to hurt having their top draw go down with ease. I don't see sheilds being much of a threat to GSP. Looks like Yvel is going to be cut. Hopefully gonzaga too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Good God Cain is an absolute monster. I'm not so sure. I think Brock has several inter-related problems. They are: 1. Not-so-good chin 2. Not-so-hard head 3. Does not defend strikes well 4. Does not like to get hit Cain did a lot more striking to make up the difference, and it helped. He did get taken down, but he almost got right back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 I'm not so sure. I think Brock has several inter-related problems. They are: 1. Not-so-good chin 2. Not-so-hard head 3. Does not defend strikes well 4. Does not like to get hit Cain did a lot more striking to make up the difference, and it helped. He did get taken down, but he almost got right back up. 3 and 4 I'll give you but I don't know why you think Lesnar doesn't have a chin. He panics when he gets hit and that's very bad in a division filled with heavy hitters but Cain looked outstanding. He even took Brock down with that lovely single leg. Also he remembered to breathe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 3 and 4 I'll give you but I don't know why you think Lesnar doesn't have a chin. He panics when he gets hit and that's very bad in a division filled with heavy hitters but Cain looked outstanding. He even took Brock down with that lovely single leg. Also he remembered to breathe I have to disagree, but I accept your judgment. However, Brock needs to have amatuer boxing matches in training where he gets punched a lot, so he gets used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted October 24, 2010 Author Share Posted October 24, 2010 I'm not so sure. I think Brock has several inter-related problems. They are: 1. Not-so-good chin 2. Not-so-hard head 3. Does not defend strikes well 4. Does not like to get hit Cain did a lot more striking to make up the difference, and it helped. He did get taken down, but he almost got right back up. I put all of these down to inexperience. Unfortunately, at his age, they're things that Brock may not have time to correct. You CAN train a chin. At 14, I was knocked out by a single punch in an exhibition karate fight. At age 19, after some serious Muay Thai and boxing training, I survived a gang beating by nine guys with bottles, koshes and a knuckle duster without passing out. You get used to being hit. Brock isn't built like a guy who crumbles, he just doesn't know how to take it. If he was 25, I'd bet my life that he'd be HW champ again in a year and for the next 10 year. At this stage in his life though...I'm not sure. All respect to Cain though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 It makes me wonder what would have happened if Carwin was more careful and accurate. I bet he's look at Cain's performance and going "!@#$%^&, I should have done that!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEdgeOfReason Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 It makes me wonder what would have happened if Carwin was more careful and accurate. I bet he's look at Cain's performance and going "!@#$%^&, I should have done that!" Thats exactly what he is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaySo Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Bryan Alvarez tweeted: "Brock and Undertaker had a staredown and exchanged words after the fight. Not making this up, Ariel Helwani was doing the interview...Ariel's interview will be up later on AOL so watch it!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 I put all of these down to inexperience. Unfortunately, at his age, they're things that Brock may not have time to correct. You CAN train a chin. At 14, I was knocked out by a single punch in an exhibition karate fight. At age 19, after some serious Muay Thai and boxing training, I survived a gang beating by nine guys with bottles, koshes and a knuckle duster without passing out. You get used to being hit. Brock isn't built like a guy who crumbles, he just doesn't know how to take it. If he was 25, I'd bet my life that he'd be HW champ again in a year and for the next 10 year. At this stage in his life though...I'm not sure. All respect to Cain though. Since you are experienced in some of this.. do you know any Judo or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu? And if so, can give any insight on why Judo practioners don't do as well BJJ users? I always thought BJJ was developed from Judo, if my info is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEdgeOfReason Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 lol wtf? Making plans for a return already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Bryan Alvarez tweeted: "Brock and Undertaker had a staredown and exchanged words after the fight. Not making this up, Ariel Helwani was doing the interview...Ariel's interview will be up later on AOL so watch it!" What the hell? He can't be serious.... must... see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoloftjunkie Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Taker being the company man he is prob still holds ill will towards Brock after the way he screwed over the wwe. Dana said we will see how dedicated Brock is by what he does next. Take the time off he planned or get back and fight asap. I think Lesnar will take the time off and enjoy the big payday he just had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Taker being the company man he is prob still holds ill will towards Brock after the way he screwed over the wwe. Dana said we will see how dedicated Brock is by what he does next. Take the time off he planned or get back and fight asap. I think Lesnar will take the time off and enjoy the big payday he just had. That's just odd. I mean, it shocks me. Lesnar patched things up with Goldberg and Austin, and probably JR I assume, but Undertaker arguing with him? Seriously? That's just... odd, especially for the Undertaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaySo Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 http://i52.tinypic.com/2jcedcp.jpg http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/574156/lesnarface_medium.jpg http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3530/ohdana2.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Where the heck did Cain hit that dazed Brock? He's got fast hands, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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