brashleyholland Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 First 1.5 rounds were decent, then it became a good fight. Both fighter, imo, did good, but both showed holes that need fixed. That fight was a sick, sick brawl. Really enjoyed it. Both guys showed great heart, and some solid skills. Dunno if Jung has it in him to beat Aldo, but it'll be a hell of a fight. My dream scenario would be for Aldo to beat Koch, then take a long lay off so we could have KZ vs Hioki as a #1 contender bout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 That fight was a sick, sick brawl. Really enjoyed it. Both guys showed great heart, and some solid skills. Agree, just that I found the first round not as good as people make it seem. However I liked the way KZ got the d'arce choke & IMO should be submission of the year right now, the way he gets it so smothly and quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 That fight was a sick, sick brawl. Really enjoyed it. Both guys showed great heart, and some solid skills. Dunno if Jung has it in him to beat Aldo, but it'll be a hell of a fight. My dream scenario would be for Aldo to beat Koch, then take a long lay off so we could have KZ vs Hioki as a #1 contender bout. KZ v Hioki would be amazing but it won't happen with a lack of contenders... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 KZ v Hioki would be amazing but it won't happen with a lack of contenders... Which is why I'm going to be following Jose Aldo around, dropping banana skins in his path wherever he goes. KZ vs Hioki interim title bout, here we come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Jon Jones arrested on suspision of DUI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Lots of people saying Cain is next for JDS. I think that's a bad decision. Cain just got decimated by him two fights ago. He doesnt deserve the shot yet IMO. This is also humorous: http://www.mmaweekly.com/if-daniel-cormier-wins-and-stays-at-heavyweight-he-gets-title-shot-in-the-ufc So he lols at Barnett fighting "like once a year". Cains had 4 fights since 2010. Barnett has had five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoutureLegend Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Lots of people saying Cain is next for JDS. I think that's a bad decision. Cain just got decimated by him two fights ago. He doesnt deserve the shot yet IMO. This is also humorous: http://www.mmaweekly.com/if-daniel-cormier-wins-and-stays-at-heavyweight-he-gets-title-shot-in-the-ufc So he lols at Barnett fighting "like once a year". Cains had 4 fights since 2010. Barnett has had five. He just doesn't like Josh Barnett! Everytime he is asked about Barnett coming over to the UFC he always avoids the question, so i don't think we'll ever see him back in the UFC, which is a shame as he's clearly one of the best heavyweights in the world. Velasquez/Dos Santos 2 is the only fight that makes sense imo. Cain got caught by one punch, he was hardly decimated! It may look that way on paper with the fight lasting just 64 seconds, but if Cain Velasquez & Junior Dos Santos were to fight another 10 times, how many times out of those 10 would JDS repeat history & finish Cain in 64 seconds? I would say 1 at the most! Infact i would pick Cain to beat him more times than not over 10 fights, so i think the fight makes 100% sense. & lets be honest who else is out there? Werdum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Wonder what mayhem did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Cain got caught by one punch, he was hardly decimated! It may look that way on paper with the fight lasting just 64 seconds, but if Cain Velasquez & Junior Dos Santos were to fight another 10 times, how many times out of those 10 would JDS repeat history & finish Cain in 64 seconds? I would say 1 at the most! In fact i would pick Cain to beat him more times than not over 10 fights, so i think the fight makes 100% sense. Well he beat Cain pretty convincingly in 64 seconds. I'm not saying Cain should never receive the shot. I'm saying that two fights ago Cain literally didn't last two minutes with JDS in what was a largely disappointing UFC debut on Fox. He just doesn't deserve it yet from my point of view. lets be honest who else is out there? Werdum? Outside of Werdum, the rest of the HW that are streaking right now are a little too far down the ladder to be considered legit title contenders. So I cant argue that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Well he beat Cain pretty convincingly in 64 seconds. I'm not saying Cain should never receive the shot. I'm saying that two fights ago Cain literally didn't last two minutes with JDS in what was a largely disappointing UFC debut on Fox. He just doesn't deserve it yet from my point of view. Outside of Werdum, the rest of the HW that are streaking right now are a little too far down the ladder to be considered legit title contenders. So I cant argue that point. Who else then? Overeem is suspended. Cain is, unfortunately, the best choice available right now, even if it's not the best choice given the right circumstances. These right circumstances don't exist. Werdum would be almost like Santos/Mir, except Werdum would do what he did in the Overeem/Werdum fight... with it loooking like either Werdum/Santos 1 or Santos/Mir. Not terrible convincing, except in Brazil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Wonder what mayhem did? He wigged out backstage on somebody. Beyond that, nobodies talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Who else then? Overeem is suspended. Cain is, unfortunately, the best choice available right now, even if it's not the best choice given the right circumstances. These right circumstances don't exist. Werdum would be almost like Santos/Mir, except Werdum would do what he did in the Overeem/Werdum fight... with it loooking like either Werdum/Santos 1 or Santos/Mir. Not terrible convincing, except in Brazil. Werdum/JDS would look like Silva/Leites honestly. Not interested... BUT GUYS BROCK LESNAR WANTS HIS BELT BACK! (*only if the pay him a shit ton of money first) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share Posted May 28, 2012 RE: Mayhem - The 'incident' reported by MiddleEasy at the post fight screenings has been debunked by two actual MMA journos (as opposed to a couple of perma-stoned Nick Diaz fans who somehow managed to blag press creds). Mayhem demanded a beer off a female member of staff and flipped out on her when she refused. Dana doesn't like him anyway - it was all the excuse he needed to let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 RE: Mayhem - The 'incident' reported by MiddleEasy at the post fight screenings has been debunked by two actual MMA journos (as opposed to a couple of perma-stoned Nick Diaz fans who somehow managed to blag press creds). Mayhem demanded a beer off a female member of staff and flipped out on her when she refused. Dana doesn't like him anyway - it was all the excuse he needed to let him go. Coming with a giant knee brace and obviously blowing said knee out during the fight is the bigger deal in my eyes. The backstage shenanigans are just part of Jason Miller's MO. The UFC is just pissed at him because he can command more money because he's actually valuable beyond his talents in the cage... The gall of this man to do a worked TV show on MTV, guys.... THE GALL!.... WAIT, Brock called?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoutureLegend Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Mayhem demanded a beer off a female member of staff and flipped out on her when she refused. Dana doesn't like him anyway - it was all the excuse he needed to let him go. Regardless of whether Dana likes him or not, Mayhem is 0-3 in his UFC career & has offered next to nothing in all 3 fights... He deserves to be cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoutureLegend Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Well he beat Cain pretty convincingly in 64 seconds. I'm not saying Cain should never receive the shot. I'm saying that two fights ago Cain literally didn't last two minutes with JDS in what was a largely disappointing UFC debut on Fox. He just doesn't deserve it yet from my point of view. You also can't forget that Velasquez was badly injured going into that fight & would've pulled out if it wasn't for the whole big FOX debut. I know JDS was injured as well but Cain's injury severely hampered his usual gameplan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I don't like the "so and so was injured" discussions personally. If you read back on MMA history, many winners and losers were hurt going into the fight. It's a little unfair to pinpoint which guy was injured more severely than his opponent. You step into the cage and you fight and I perceive what I perceive. I'm really not trying to kill Cain here the dude's an amazing fighter. I just feel like he's not screaming "title shot!" at me like the situations in other weight classes. But it is what it is and I guess you're right. But Cain gets this shot because there's no one else and not because of his own accomplishments, which does cheapen the belt a lil. But oh well I like that champions fight in the UFC so it is what it is. Gotta take the yin with the yang. Truth be told the only guy I really want to see rematch JDS is Carwin. And he's even further away from a title shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I'm really not trying to kill Cain here the dude's an amazing fighter. I just feel like he's not screaming "title shot!" at me like the situations in other weight classes. But it is what it is and I guess you're right. But Cain gets this shot because there's no one else and not because of his own accomplishments, which does cheapen the belt a lil. But oh well I like that champions fight in the UFC so it is what it is. Gotta take the yin with the yang. Come on, in history, not just UFC history, not just MMA history, not just combat sport history, but in history general, there's times when people even less deserving having gotten title shots. He's hardly the worst choice ever. Truth be told the only guy I really want to see rematch JDS is Carwin. And he's even further away from a title shot. I doubt Carwin's going to get another shot against him. He got legit beat by JDS. I can't really see the fight going differently. Carwin's older, and he's not likely not improve. That being said, I'm not so sure Velasquez will do much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Amp I'm agreeing with you. You and Couture have convinced me Cain should get the shot due to the fact that there aren't any other streaking HWs high enough on the ladder. I've said this now a few times. Cain is not hot like he was when he first got the shot so I'm not as eager to see it I guess. But the top HWs keep beating each other so it is what it is. JDS never finished Carwin, whereas Cain was knocked out in under two minutes. If Carwin gets a few wins, I'm very intrigued by that possible fight. I'm interested in who Shane will see in his first fight back. He needs two or three big wins but if Cain can get murdered in under two minutes and be considered a legit top contender after beating Bigfoot Silva, Carwin could easily be in a title fight should he finish off two established UFC HW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoutureLegend Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 That being said, I'm not so sure Velasquez will do much better. Really? If Velasquez is healthy then i don't expect him to lose to Dos Santos tbh! JDS has shown great takedown defense so far but really, who has tried to take him down? Gonzaga? Nelson? Mir? A beating up & gassed Shane Carwin? If Dos Santos can stop Velasquez taking him down, i'll be very surprised. I'm also interested to see how things plan out when Cormier comes over to the UFC.. He might just be the best of them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I'm also interested to see how things plan out when Cormier comes over to the UFC.. He might just be the best of them all. Cormier said if Velasquez has the title when he moves over, he's moving down to LHW. Dunno if he would do that though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Really? If Velasquez is healthy then i don't expect him to lose to Dos Santos tbh! JDS has shown great takedown defense so far but really, who has tried to take him down? Gonzaga? Nelson? Mir? A beating up & gassed Shane Carwin? If Dos Santos can stop Velasquez taking him down, i'll be very surprised. I'm also interested to see how things plan out when Cormier comes over to the UFC.. He might just be the best of them all. I can believe that, but it's hard to say. He'll need the takedown fast, because Dos Santo's boxing style, at least now, seems an ideal counter to wrestlers. Cormier said if Velasquez has the title when he moves over, he's moving down to LHW. Dunno if he would do that though That's a horrible idea. Cormier shouldn't do that-he already messed up his kidneys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoutureLegend Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 That's a horrible idea. Cormier shouldn't do that-he already messed up his kidneys. Cormier wrestled in college at 184lbs then in freestyle at 211lbs so there's no reason why he cannot make 205. However he must do it the correct way! The problem Cormier had with the kidney failure was that for a long time he was letting his weight fluctuate in great numbers, then the day before weigh-ins he would attempt to cut 20+ pounds of water weight.. which ultimately led to his body shutting down causing his kidneys to fail. Had Cormier done things the proper way, like gradually losing body fat over the course of a training camp then leaving himself around 7-8lbs to cut the day before the weigh-in, then he would've been fine. But for far too long he choose to avoid cutting body fat & instead decided to lose massive amounts of water weight the day before competition, which is extremely dangerous! If DC does things properly & cuts body fat naturally then he will be just fine to make 205, but drastically cutting water weight is not something he can ever do again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 <p>Finally saw the whole 146 card. WOW Cain is a killer lol. I take back what I said, the man deserves a title shot. The bloody fists and elbows... sick looking, man. He looked like an efiin murderer out there. </p><p> </p><p> All they need do on Countdown for that is show Cain's blood-soaked arms on top of the sick highlight reels both of these gentleman have compiled. That will sell just fine.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 <p>Was indeed a nice event overall. Really enjoyed it.</p><p> </p><p> edit: looks like Nate The Great will be in Strikeforce again. Didn't on of the UK promotions had him at first? I remember Brad having a scoop on that a month or 2 ago.</p><p> </p><p> Jardine also on the card. With Healy, Stinson & Lawler I guess the card will be pretty decent at the very least. Not p4p-wise, but decent. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> It does need a women's fight. Just as they injected their part of the sport by promoting the sh*t out of Rousey vs Tate, it goes downhill again. Rousey will fight Kaufman in a couple of months, and then what? A whole bunch of nothing.</p><p> </p><p> If WMMA taught me anything, it's to keep your division flowing by creating some 'current' to keep things moving. No fights = no evolution. Luckily that new Invicta promotion seems to be doing the job for them.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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