The Shape Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 As much as I love Brock I think I'm pulling for Reem here...him vs. JDS would be much more interesting than Brock getting mauled by Dos Santos. But when the entrances begin I reserve the right to change my mind xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Reem vs JDS is very tastey. In the battle of the roid monsters, I'm still taking Brock. Brock's just too much of a freak athlete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I gotta say Lesnar, Cerrone, Fitch (would love to see hendricks win though), Gustafsson, Hettes, Pearson, Njokuani, Pierson, Volkman, Riddle, Nunes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Very specifically, I think Overeem could make the same mistake Mir did in the second fight; going for a knee in the clinch and getting taken down off of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 anyone know the record for fastest mma ko? I know their is one that is 3 seconds long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Nate Diaz failed to make weight on the first try, coming in at 157lbs instead of 156lbs, but lost the weight after an hour. But what could be the biggest story come fight time is that Overeem came in at 263lbs, the heaviest of his career. It's possible the extra weight could help Overeem but Frank Mir thought his extra weight would help against Lesnar and Carwin and it did more harm than good. Lesnar came in at 266lbs but could be anything up to 285lbs by fight time, stories vary on what he cut down form, so he'll definitely come into the cage with a serious weight advantage. I think Overeem might have made a mistake. Overeem isn't going to beat Lesnar with size but with speed and coming in that big, if he's not used to carrying it in a serious fight where he will be pressed, could come back to bite him. I would surmise Overeem isn't worried because he doesn't think the fight will last long enough for stamina to be an issue for either guy, but if Lesnar can drag the fight into the later rounds, and force Overeem to work a lot on his back, it could get ugly for Overeem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Nate Diaz failed to make weight on the first try, coming in at 157lbs instead of 156lbs, but lost the weight after an hour. But what could be the biggest story come fight time is that Overeem came in at 263lbs, the heaviest of his career. It's possible the extra weight could help Overeem but Frank Mir thought his extra weight would help against Lesnar and Carwin and it did more harm than good. Lesnar came in at 266lbs but could be anything up to 285lbs by fight time, stories vary on what he cut down form, so he'll definitely come into the cage with a serious weight advantage. I think Overeem might have made a mistake. Overeem isn't going to beat Lesnar with size but with speed and coming in that big, if he's not used to carrying it in a serious fight where he will be pressed, could come back to bite him. I would surmise Overeem isn't worried because he doesn't think the fight will last long enough for stamina to be an issue for either guy, but if Lesnar can drag the fight into the later rounds, and force Overeem to work a lot on his back, it could get ugly for Overeem. I agree. Brock's pretty fast too. Maybe not quite as mobile as Reem but yea with the extra weight Reem's put on, I agree with you that it could be a serious mistake. He'll sacrifice a bit of his wind and his mobility for sure. How much so? We'll see. I guess the thought process there is add the extra muscle for takedown defense? I guess we'll find out after the fight one way or the other. I still think while Reem's the better, more refined and complete fighter, Brock's the better freak athlete and should win the fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisWest Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 anyone know the record for fastest mma ko? I know their is one that is 3 seconds long. Don't know what the fastest is, but if the referee had been closer to the fighters this could've been around 2 secs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKixgoWJBcg Officially it's 4 secs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Talk of Fitch fighting Diaz/Condit winner if he wins seems like madness to me. Beating Johnny Hendricks in no way should earn a title shot and I can't think of any fight I want to see less than Fitch vs. Diaz. I think Ellenberger should be ahead of him if he beats Sanchez, and depending on when GSP is back Ellenberger vs. Fitch will probably make sense anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I'm going to repeat my picks from a few weeks ago: Overeem, Cerrone, Fitch, Matyushenko, Phan, Pearson, Castillo, Kim, Volkmann, Ramos and Nunes. I must admit, though, that I'm wavering on picking Overeem over Lesnar. With Overeem going into the fight at, by far, his heaviest weight and the apparent bad mood of Lesnar, in a good way, I'm not so convinced Overeem will win. I still think he will, but I don't think it'll be quite so easy anymore. I would give my odds on what I think the likelihood of each outcome are, but the last time I did something like that the post was quickly deleted without a word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Talk of Fitch fighting Diaz/Condit winner if he wins seems like madness to me. Beating Johnny Hendricks in no way should earn a title shot and I can't think of any fight I want to see less than Fitch vs. Diaz. I think Ellenberger should be ahead of him if he beats Sanchez, and depending on when GSP is back Ellenberger vs. Fitch will probably make sense anyway. In terms of sheer amount of wins, he does deserve a title shot. Logically speaking, he convinces me. But his fights suck. Bad. And he got his butt kicked by GSP. If matched up against any better MMA wrestler, he's burnt toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 My thoughts on Overeem/Lesnar is that Overeem should by all rights win the fight. He's a far superior and far more dynamic striker and his mean clinch game means that a badly shot double gets Lesnar pasted with knees or taken down. But then I remember the first few seconds of the Herring fight and am unable to come up with a reason why that wouldn't work on Overeem. Also the NYE DREAM card will probably be cool because it's got Lion Takeshi and Crusher in imminently winnable fights and there's no risk of Sakuraba getting knocked out. And maybe Kikuno explodes an anime with a crescent kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 anyone else watching the best of pride marathon on spike TV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 My thoughts on Overeem/Lesnar is that Overeem should by all rights win the fight. He's a far superior and far more dynamic striker and his mean clinch game means that a badly shot double gets Lesnar pasted with knees or taken down. But then I remember the first few seconds of the Herring fight and am unable to come up with a reason why that wouldn't work on Overeem. Also the NYE DREAM card will probably be cool because it's got Lion Takeshi and Crusher in imminently winnable fights and there's no risk of Sakuraba getting knocked out. And maybe Kikuno explodes an anime with a crescent kick. If this ends being end being Heath Herring 2.0, I would be surprised. Overeem has been KOed before, so I can't see either guy surviving a serious shot to the head. Unless this fight goes past 2 rounds, someone's going to get KOed/TKOed. If it goes past 2 rounds... it's anyone's decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 If this fight goes past two rounds, I'm backing Brock to have the better gas tank or at least handle the grind better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Lensar vs. Overeem: Lesnar TKO 2nd round. Cerrone vs. Diaz: Cerrone via Decision (probably split). Fitch vs. Hendricks: Fitch via decision. Matyushenk vs. Gustafsson: Gustafsson via TKO. Pearson vs. Asuncao: Hard pick for me here. Pearson via Decision? Njokuani vs. Castillo: Castillo via Decision. Hyun Kim vs. Pierson: Kim via Decision. Volkmann vs. Escudero: Escudero via Decision. Riddle vs. Ramos: Ramos via Decision. Gamburyan vs. Nunes: Nunes via Decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Lensar vs. Overeem: Lesnar TKO 2nd round. Cerrone vs. Diaz: Cerrone via Decision (probably split). Fitch vs. Hendricks: Fitch via decision. Matyushenk vs. Gustafsson: Gustafsson via TKO. Pearson vs. Asuncao: Hard pick for me here. Pearson via Decision? Njokuani vs. Castillo: Castillo via Decision. Hyun Kim vs. Pierson: Kim via Decision. Volkmann vs. Escudero: Escudero via Decision. Riddle vs. Ramos: Ramos via Decision. Gamburyan vs. Nunes: Nunes via Decision. you like decisions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 Hope everyone had a lovely Christmas and is looking forward to the fights tonight!! In related news, Brock is making $400,000 flat for this fight, while Overeem takes home $264,285 (and 71 cents) if he loses, or $385,714.28...it's almost like that's some kind of arbitrary number... :-p Funny thing (well, not really very funny at all) is, Overeem won't see a cent of that cash. His former management have filed suit in Nevada yesterday over their split, and because Overeem is a non-US resident, they've been able to get the judge to have his pay withheld pending the result of the case. Gutted! With that said, the lien doesn't affect any non-disclosed pay, which should run into the high-six/low-seven figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 so hoping overated loses. If lesnar wins we will see if JDS can stop a powerful takedown. if overated wins we see if JDS can take a punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 If this ends being end being Heath Herring 2.0, I would be surprised. Overeem has been KOed before, so I can't see either guy surviving a serious shot to the head. Unless this fight goes past 2 rounds, someone's going to get KOed/TKOed. If it goes past 2 rounds... it's anyone's decision. Yeah that's what I meant, if Brock lands a hard clean shot I don't think Overeem's going to survive the ensuing gorilla onslaught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 so hoping overated loses. If lesnar wins we will see if JDS can stop a powerful takedown. if overated wins we see if JDS can take a punch. JDS has taken some good shots already. My concern is what's he going to do about leg kicks. If Overeem wins against Lesnar and gets the next shot against JDS, he's going to employ leg kicks. Boxers hate those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 JDS would get up even if Brock took him down. The thing with Overeem is he may find that less easy due to his own size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Jacob Volkmann hates Obama so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 wtf? how could kim win the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 JDS would get up even if Brock took him down. The thing with Overeem is he may find that less easy due to his own size. And you know this how? We've rarely seen JDS taken down in the first place. And this is guy picking JDS over Lesnar if they ever fight. Hendrix just KOed Fitch!!! Hendrix just KOed Fitch!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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