Workers that you just don't know what to do with them?

[LucianCarter]

Over at my real world federation (William Shatner Wrestling) I never seem to find anything to do with Juventud Guerrerra. For that matter Ultimo Phoenix isn't in a feud and he's the Canadian Champion!

[Gigas]

Id hate to say it but Davis Wayne Newton. Its to the point I wont even sign him anymore. He usually just ends up being a really talented jobber when Im USPW or CGC.

[Charlie Vick]

Well, here's the problem with Fonzarelli. The canon version of his repackage is missing a key element. Namely the girl who wedged him out The Dark Brotherhood. While Adam's tendency to leave stuff open-ended is generally good for the player, this is a case where it can hurt the character. I can see Jay having outgrown her by 2010. But she wasn't in TCW 08 either. Which means folks have to make up for themselves how Jay got here. And when they can't, it's not a surprise folks end up without an idea of how to use him.

 

I ran a storyline where The Fonz was looking for a valet, much like the diva searches except I picked all the creepers like Black Widow, Devil's Daughter, and Nina. Trying to draw him back to his old ways. It was fun, gave me something to do with him.

[cappyboy]

I ran a storyline where The Fonz was looking for a valet, much like the diva searches except I picked all the creepers like Black Widow, Devil's Daughter, and Nina. Trying to draw him back to his old ways. It was fun, gave me something to do with him.

 

You know, that's a pretty good approach. So you're a love machine now huh? What about the women you could have had retaining your old style? Can you still handle them? I like it.

[Wrestling Century]

I can never find a use for Ricky Dale Johnson and Joey Minnesota, other than putting them in tag matches together.

[sheepy]

Zeus Maximillion. I never know what to do with him but he's good on the mike, good in the ring and doesn't have many flaws apart from his age. Its just... I dunno, finding the angle for him to play is tough.

 

Ryan Powell is another one as is both the singles wrestlers of Bobby Thomas and Nate Johnson. Powell is just kinda bobbing along in my game not doing a lot and Thomas and Johnson are being used exclusively as jobbers to the stars. I really can't think of anything to do with them since the Specialists broke up.

 

 

On the topic of Newton, he's set to get a monster push based on the fact he's got the middle name Wayne and I've been reading a lot of Batman commics recently. I figure a vigilante the fans don't know whether to boo or cheer under a mask should be enough to flesh out his character for a few months at least...

[Self]

Zeus Maximillion. I never know what to do with him but he's good on the mike, good in the ring and doesn't have many flaws apart from his age. Its just... I dunno, finding the angle for him to play is tough.

 

Ryan Powell is another one as is both the singles wrestlers of Bobby Thomas and Nate Johnson. Powell is just kinda bobbing along in my game not doing a lot and Thomas and Johnson are being used exclusively as jobbers to the stars. I really can't think of anything to do with them since the Specialists broke up.

 

Always tempting to put The Specialists and Youth Energy back together. So much so that I fired Shane Nelson and Bobby Thomas to remove the temptation. Nate's awesome (better than Trent, more versatile than Sean) but no gimmick jumps out. He got lucky in my current game. I paired him up with Shooter Sean Deeley just as it was time for The DeColts to lose the tag belts, so they got a big double-jesus-push. 10 months and 2 tag title runs later, they just broke up (and Sean abandoned me for NOTBPW) and... Again, not sure where Nate stands.

 

Ryan Powell... I struggled with him in '08. He bounced around the midcard as generic Ryan Powell, then became 'Vivacious Ryan Powell' (teaming with 'Fabulous Eddie Chandler' and 'Delicious Trent Shaffer' in a freebirds-type group) then after that imploded he became V-Ry; a seedy-jackass rapper with parallels to Jack DeColt (complete with 'fiance', played by the gloriously skanky Kali Fornia). I skipped to 'V-Ry' in 2010 and he was basically my top heel right up until NOTBPW got their mits on him.

 

What I find helps is to make the tag belts Main Event Titles. If you move two DeColts (any two) and DaLay & Chandler into the tag division it allows for a lot more upward mobility in the singles division. It also helps (sort of) if NOTBPW are routinely poaching your talent. I pushed V-Ry. Poached. I pushed Bryan Holmes. Poached. I pushed Shooter Sean. Poached. I pushed Trent Shaffer. Poached. I barely used Joey Poison at all in 2010, but now I need a new top heel, so he's getting the chance on top.

[CubsFan915]

Ricky Douglas and Jeremiah Moose.

[LucianCarter]

Jeremiah Moose.

 

You can at least blame his drug habit.

[sheepy]

What I find helps is to make the tag belts Main Event Titles. If you move two DeColts (any two) and DaLay & Chandler into the tag division it allows for a lot more upward mobility in the singles division. It also helps (sort of) if NOTBPW are routinely poaching your talent. I pushed V-Ry. Poached. I pushed Bryan Holmes. Poached. I pushed Shooter Sean. Poached. I pushed Trent Shaffer. Poached. I barely used Joey Poison at all in 2010, but now I need a new top heel, so he's getting the chance on top.

 

I get what you're saying with the tag titles. I'm currently building to a new Vibert lead faction with Alex DeColt as the main go to guy and a monster tag team of Gargantuan and DaLay holding the titles. The tag team scene in CGC is pretty barren at the start so putting them on a monster heel team seems like a good way to go whilst I try to figure out what to do long term.

 

I'm not entirely against re-forming the Specialists (Seeker turned on Nelson so no more Youth Energy for this game). They don't really have the mike skills to stand out and lack any real spark. With Youth Energy out of the picture though they could end up as the face team of the division which would be something fresh for them

[praguepride]

Here's a few ideas to try them on for size:

 

Playing as MAW, I've got this problem with Findlay O'Farraday;

 

Findlay's got great menace and I believe a liberal attitude, so you've got a lot of options for him. Most of these involve turning him heel

 

- the slow betrayel: he's face to start with, so have him be the face's muscle for awhile, stopping heel attacks, playing ringside cop until he sees something he wants and then the heel nature comes roaring back

 

-hardcore monster. Think of him as a "light" Eddie Peak or Larry Wood. He comes in and brutalizes people, screaming about hardcore and the death of traditional values. Maybe he can be manipulated by your more political heels (Citizen X could use him as the "instrument of his anarchy", see below)

 

-enforcer/partner for Citizen X. X is the brains of chaos, Findlay is the brawn.

 

The two that come to mind for me when I'm playing big time feds are Troy Tornado in TCW and Steve Frehley in the SWF. They always seem to get lost in my shuffle while I'm putting other feuds and stables together. In my training games, I usually don't have this trouble. By the time I start feeling stables are necessary, I'm enough into the flow to have a leader picked out and know what I want out of his minions if they aren't already on the roster.

 

-Troy Tornado's patriotic gimmick could go pretty far. Especially by having him feud against Marat Khoklov's "pro-soviet" outlook

 

-Frehley is kind of a blank slate. He can be your "Stone Cold Steve Austin" as a "bad" good guy. He attacks people, he doesn't take s***, he slaps Eric Eisen around like a little punk and the fans love him for it. Slap him on a bad ass, biker, rebel gimmick and just have him be a wild card in your various storylines.

 

Danny Fonzarelli.

 

Hes not strong enough in the ring run a nice feud with and he falls behind a lot of other strong workers in entertainment skills. I keep thinking I should do something with him but I dont know what.

 

Danny can become the TCW's answer to Robbie Retro. He's a gatekeeper and made for jobbing for awhile. Use the "losing streak" or "underestimating a rookie" storylines to prep him for a heel turn and turn him back into the darkness warrior.

 

In regards to NOTBPW it is Omar Brown and R.K. Hayes for me.

 

Gangsters in canada

 

It's Champagne Lover for me. Don't get me wrong, I always hire him whether I'm big or small and he gets over really quick but for as over and perfect as he is I dont think I've ever given him a Main event title

 

I like to use Champagne Lover as either a ravishing lady stealer if there's a lot of divas walking around, or a superior snob. Nothing anybody does is EVER as good as stuff he does. The clubs other people go to aren't NEARLY as good as the clubs he goes to. Your women aren't as good as his women, your wrestling isn't as good as his wrestling.

 

And for the extra stab, he's usually right. Not the typical "heel full of crap" but he does bring hte most beautiful ladies, flash the largest bills, pull off the most spectacular victories...

 

He's distracted and jaded so he doesn't really chase after titles like other people do, (because the titles here aren't NEARLY as good as the titles he's already run). I usually play him as an outsider. Even the main heels hate him.

 

Eventually someone beats him. Trigger the "best of 7" storyline where he demands a rematch after rematch. He loses the first couple so he keeps responding "best 2/3" then "best 3/5" then "best 4/7" and finally stops the lsoing streak, only to lose at the ned.

 

Trigger face turn as he becomes the face's "student" where he promises to unlearn all his heelish tendancies. You can play that either fake or straight.

 

So he can honsetly be a good student, or he can straddle the line where he'll cheat when he starts to lose (trigger an arguement between him and his "master").

 

Eventually you can spin this off as a tag team, as a feud if champagn (or his teacher) flips alignment etc.

 

Sammy the Shark in my NYCW game. He just doesn't seem to fit into any of my plans as a Midcard face, so I am now considering a storyline where he turns Heel again based on not getting anywhere as a "good guy"

 

That's a valid idea. Another idea is to have him play honest to goodness face, but be blackmailed into helping the heels. He's got the gimmick of a history as a gambler. Lead heel comes in and says "You owe me a ton of money. I want you to run in and interfere for me my next match."

 

And so Sammy is blackmailed into helping out the heels even though he's a face. This can be spun off into a feud between sammy and the blackmailer OR a turn as sammy decides he likes being a heel (the money's better )

[Dragonmack]

People who just didn't seem to improve at all for me were Ryan Powell in my CGC diary, despite doing everything I could to get him over. Teamed him with Eric Tyler, feuded with Ricky DeColt, matches against main eventers, and he just unimpressed every opportunity. Roderick Remus and Primus Allen are two others who don't seem to fulfill potential.

 

Sammy the Shark is never going to a main event mega star, but he does slot well into midcard and tag teams easily and he does seem to improve along with the promotion, which means he is still a solid midcarder all the way from small to cult.

 

Dan DaLay is easy to work with as long as you never rely on him to carry a match or an angle. Always pair him off with an over charismatic worker for angles, and against good main eventers like the DeColts, and he will get his overness and hold up his end of the match just fine. I was able to get steady B+ or higher matches and angles out of him this way in '08.

[praguepride]

For me, as CGC, it's Dan DaLay. He's not a great worker, or good on the mic, and his not as good a killer heel as other people. Plus he's an ugly mutha effer.

 

I like Dan as the fall guy for the Elite. Shooter Sean and Eddie are great in the ring so deserve to win. Dan I usually let be the fall guy.

 

You can spin this off where he eventually turns on the elite (tired of them being the fall guy) and joins the decolts against the elite.

 

You can then turn this into a double betrayel where it turns out that Dan was slow-playing the decolts the whole time. Have him use his "inside" knowledge to absolutely brutalize a decolt, putting him out of commission for a long, long time.

 

 

I'm MAW i always forget about Huey Cannonball and Ace Youngblood i've tried putting them together as a team and it just dosent work

 

I thought Huey already was in a tag team. /meh.

 

I can never find a use for Ricky Dale Johnson and Joey Minnesota, other than putting them in tag matches together.

 

Joey Minnesota is a perfect antithesis for Wolf Hawkins. I usually have them feud it up while RDJ feuds with Cornell.

 

RDJ can be used very similar to how WWF used Steve Austin. Undermining Cornell's plans all around the ring, championing for honor and justice etc.

 

He's not great, but he's popular. Have him support other people in other storylines. So if you've got two big guys in a huge feud, bring in RDJ as the face's ally.

 

Joey is great for the "rookie" in an "underestimating a rookie" storyline. He's super talented and has decent popularity so he just makes a great feud enemy or as a filler guy.

 

So if Cornell and RDJ are feuding, have RDJ fight Joey Minnesota in a match that Cornell interferes.

 

Another idea is to turn Minnesota heel and have him & Wolf team up as the "future of TCW" and storm around like they own the place. Have Cornell show a "blind eye" to their antics if you don't want him to play super-heel, and then have veterans like RDJ feud with the youngsters to show them their place.

[EricAdams]

In my ZEN game poor Quick Silver was a massive jobber when I started because Shaolin, his tag partner, was already Conceptual Champion. Once I got him a new partner he started lighting up the division though.

 

Now it seems to be Cyanide. He's kind of my Jobber to the Stars.

[BuddyGarner]

I'm playing as SWF and it's Larry Wood and Louis Figo Manico. They are both uber talented and have everything that a sports entertainment fed would ask for(except for popularity) but they are old. I can't exactly fade out my old workers for even older workers. They both have some stats they can improve on(albeit stats that don't matter for a sports entertainment fed) so they're both doing that for a while.

[praguepride]

Here's some quick ways to use those "awkward" workers:

 

Heels:

1) Interference. Have them help beat up the face

2) Hired Gun. Every heel needs some mercenary muscle

3) Crazy beast: Just have him get pissed off and randomly beat people up while you have him in a holding pattern

4) Filler: When you have a face/heel feud, you need to have the hell interfere in the face's matches. Have the face wrestle those filler guys only to lose because of the heel

 

 

Faces:

1) Filler: Heels need wins too. Have the heel win by cheating to enforce his "heelish" ways.

2) An Example: Heel wants to send face a message. Have him beat the crap out of a random face and say "you're next" (great way to spin off into a feud of it's own)

3) Face in peril: Have this face be the target of the heel's attacks that the face interupts. So heel is beating up this random guy when your main face comes in and saves the day.

4) Good guy support: Have random guy say "I got your back" and run interference against the heel's interference runners. Have him help save the main guy from getting beaten up, or just have him ringside to help keep the heel's goons away.

[cappyboy]

-Frehley is kind of a blank slate. He can be your "Stone Cold Steve Austin" as a "bad" good guy. He attacks people, he doesn't take s***, he slaps Eric Eisen around like a little punk and the fans love him for it. Slap him on a bad ass, biker, rebel gimmick and just have him be a wild card in your various storylines.

 

And you've just hit on my problem with trying to use Frehley when I play the big boys. A guy that far up such a prominent company as the SWF shouldn't be so blatantly blank a slate. If there were a jumping off point with him, it would be easier to say, "Okay, so we'll put the urban biker guy Frehley against the more rural hardcore cowboy type in Rahn." Or "Gender bender? REALLY?!! I'd like him so much better as a Stone Cold type." With him starting off so flavorless, it's too easy to just not care if he gets used or not. If he's meant to start as an Ice Man or No Gimmick Needed type, how hard would be to just say so?

 

Actually this post has just given me a fun idea. Maybe you could have Frehley embrace his colorlessness. Have the heels around him object because he's on the big stage and not taking advantage. While his concern is taking care of business and letting all the "drama" swirling around him take care of itself. Make him the kindred spirit of those in the crowd who hate the high school elements in their own life. Have him sort of be the real bad ass everybody else is pretending to be but lip off too much to really live up to.