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I'm considering putting Bruce, Money, Faith, Frehley, Remo and Vengeance in a Hell In A Cell match for Supreme Challenge. With all of that main-event talent in there, should that pull off a great match or are there TOO many involved at once? I could probably pair it down so that Frehley and Remo face off in a separate match and cut the HIAC participants down to four.

 

Are any of them in Time decline? Is the Rest of the card strong considering a lot of main event talent could be tied into one match? What would your semi main be if you go with the 6 man match? you could pull off an A grade match but it just depends on the rest of the card if you want an A grade event.

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Vengeance and Faith are both in Time Decline, but neither are terminal, and in fact, I get my best ratings from Faith matches: he and Money got a 92 in the main event of Times of Trouble.

 

Don't know my semi-main yet, although I'm leaning towards a Lobster Warrior-Brandon James NA title match. Both pull low-to-mid-80 match grades on a regular basis in PPVs.

 

My main question is more of how a match like that with six participants are normally received. I'd hate for it to get dinged for too much going on when I could stage it with fewer participants and get a better grade.

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Vengeance and Faith are both in Time Decline, but neither are terminal, and in fact, I get my best ratings from Faith matches: he and Money got a 92 in the main event of Times of Trouble.

 

Don't know my semi-main yet, although I'm leaning towards a Lobster Warrior-Brandon James NA title match. Both pull low-to-mid-80 match grades on a regular basis in PPVs.

 

My main question is more of how a match like that with six participants are normally received. I'd hate for it to get dinged for too much going on when I could stage it with fewer participants and get a better grade.

 

They don't get dinged very badly for the amount of participants, it just has to be carefully booked. Who's your champ? I'm personally not a fan of Vengeance, but if he's still going decent for you then so be it. I'd say go ahead and run it, let me know how it turns out and how your card goes. :)

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I just turned Frehley Heel as i felt he was quite stale as a face. he's feuding with Captain Atomic who is receiving a mega push, but i'm not sure who can go over here without getting hurt. I can't really have Frehley lose his first rivalry as a heel but Captain Atomic could fall back so much with a loss... i forced myself into a tight booking corner.

I plan to have Frehley then feud against the newly signed Rocky Golden! he Can't really work the mic too well, but i'm thinking of pairing him with one of my popular Face Valets. Has anyone else signed Golden and used him as a Face?

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They don't get dinged very badly for the amount of participants, it just has to be carefully booked. Who's your champ? I'm personally not a fan of Vengeance, but if he's still going decent for you then so be it. I'd say go ahead and run it, let me know how it turns out and how your card goes. :)

Faith just won the title off Money (92 match) - he's on the decline, so he's a transitional champ as a nostalgia act. Bruce will be winning the title at the Supreme Challenge. Vengeance isn't great for me either (also on the decline), but he's been feuding with Faith the entire year so I feel like he has to go in there.

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<p></p><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;">I'm having trouble visualizing Rocky Golden (or Rocky Idol in my SWF Project).</div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;">

He's a Big Heavyweight with a B+ for power, A* in Star Quality, and a C+ in athleticism. So, he's a big man with a great look who happens to have some agility to him for his size (not great but we're not talking Kevin Nash knees here). </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;">

I've got some ideas for his character but I'm trying to think of a real world version (based upon the stats above) that he may look like in the ring? </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;">

Thought I'd see what others thought.</div><p></p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eisen-verse" data-cite="Eisen-verse" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;">I'm having trouble visualizing Rocky Golden (or Rocky Idol in my SWF Project).</div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> He's a Big Heavyweight with a B+ for power, A* in Star Quality, and a C+ in athleticism. So, he's a big man with a great look who happens to have some agility to him for his size (not great but we're not talking Kevin Nash knees here). </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> I've got some ideas for his character but I'm trying to think of a real world version (based upon the stats above) that he may look like in the ring? </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> Thought I'd see what others thought.</div><p></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Smaller, good-looking, young Big Show I guess? Or...Goldberg! He was fairly athletic and at least <em>looked</em> big.</p><p> </p><p> Edit: Oh, sorry, real world? He-Man. /waits</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eisen-verse" data-cite="Eisen-verse" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;">I'm having trouble visualizing Rocky Golden (or Rocky Idol in my SWF Project).</div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> He's a Big Heavyweight with a B+ for power, A* in Star Quality, and a C+ in athleticism. So, he's a big man with a great look who happens to have some agility to him for his size (not great but we're not talking Kevin Nash knees here). </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> I've got some ideas for his character but I'm trying to think of a real world version (based upon the stats above) that he may look like in the ring? </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> Thought I'd see what others thought.</div><p></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> A clean & talented version of Lance Hoyt/ Lance Archer (currently wrestling in New Japan Pro Wrestling), mixed with the abilities of his current tag team partner, Davey Boy Smith Jr, son of The British Bulldog.</p>
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<p>There are some great ideas here. I watched a few Archer matches and love the guy but I don't think he's 'thick' enough. Matt Morgan is in the same boat but also much more athletic than I see Rocky as. (I could see Morgan around a 'B' for athleticism; TEW wise).</p><p> </p><p> I looked at Mike Awesome and, while his build is almost perfect, he's far too athletic for a 'C+' rating (Which is what Rocky is at).</p><p> </p><p> Then it hit me...</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eidenhoek" data-cite="Eidenhoek" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Edit: Oh, sorry, real world? He-Man. /waits</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is perfect. I truly do think of Rocky as a He-Man persona/look. Really, I want him to look/feel like a guy who could be casted as a He-Man/Conan figure in a movie. Iconic look, good power, and enough athleticism to move around well.</p><p> </p><p> This, to me, is Triple H in 2002 as he returned from injury. The only thing id alter is to have Trips about 2-3 inches taller to be Idol (Rocky Golden). Plus the extra height would elongate his body a little more but still have a great look!</p><p> </p><p> What do you think?</p>
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So I'm putting this here because I learned it while playing SWF and I want to share it with all you others who enjoy the company.

 

You have a ton of money, use it. I have never not once changed the settings for Band, celebrity and special set but I decided to this time. I got a C-List celebrity, a minor band and spent 100k on a special set and ran my show. Nothing during the show changed from other times I ran it and it should have ranked out at 81 or 82 according to my math, but nope all that extra stuff an expenditures of just sh of 200k for the show boosted my show rating to an 87. That's right folks can't quite get the show the way you want it still getting around your pop and not much more, you are the biggest company in the world with a huge bankroll. Spend it and watch that show rating rise.

 

WHOA. :eek:

 

Tried running a bare-bones version of the Supreme Challenge card I recently ran on my diary game - rebuilt the card from scratch and booked everything very simply, with some of the angles and one of the lesser matches removed, and no pre-show. None of the angles rated higher than 87. The main event was at 84, I believe - a gimpy Nicky Champion vs Rich Money. The semi-mains (Faith vs Frehley, Bruce vs Remo) were both in the early 80s, solid Bs. And with all the stops pulled out - legendary band, A-list celeb, max budget on the special set - the show graded at 89, and increased popularity in 19 regions.

 

Thanks for the tip! That's something I might try on the August PPV, though I probably won't splurge like I did during that test card.

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Active Jerichoholic" data-cite="Active Jerichoholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>@Eisen-verse That's a great idea, I think you hit it on the head. I mean HHH used to dress like a Conan type persona on WrestleMania too, or at least that's what I got from it.<p> </p><p> Now we have to find a Scott Steiner type worker for them to have pose-offs!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The Smackdaddy of them all, Scott Sinclair IS Scott Steiner.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Midnightnick" data-cite="Midnightnick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Smackdaddy of them all, Scott Sinclair IS Scott Steiner.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;">That's what I was thinking. Too bad I just fired him a while back. ha. </div><img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> Could have simulated that waste of time (Triple H/Papa Pump Flex-Off)!</div><p></p>
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<p>Hahaha that's too awesome, too bad you fired him already. I wasn't able to sign Rocky in my current game and TCW has him locked up for 4 or 5 years so I won't be booking that epic showdown soon either. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

On another note, what do you guys think of Valiant? I pretty much pictured him as a permanent upper midcard guy in the vein of Kofi as a real life example, but had him as Remo's filler feud before he got back into the mix with Bruce. He's gotten way over(currently 2nd highest babyface) and improved pretty substantially in the year I've played thus far. I'm flirting with the idea of him taking the strap at The Supreme Challenge because of how impressive he's become.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Active Jerichoholic" data-cite="Active Jerichoholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> On another note, what do you guys think of Valiant? I pretty much pictured him as a permanent upper midcard guy in the vein of Kofi as a real life example, but had him as Remo's filler feud before he got back into the mix with Bruce. He's gotten way over(currently 2nd highest babyface) and improved pretty substantially in the year I've played thus far. I'm flirting with the idea of him taking the strap at The Supreme Challenge because of how impressive he's become.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;">I see Valiant as a future World Champion for sure. In my game, much like yours, I wasn't entirely sold straight away; however, week-in-and-week-out, Valiant pulls some of my best match grades. He's only 32; so, he still has room to make an impact if he's producing well for you. While he isn't in the main event for me right now, I do have a story arch coming up here in the future that will place him there. That said, I'm taking the 'slow road' with him (versus just throwing him STRAIGHT into the mix right out of the gate). I want to develop his character more before doing so.</div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> As a character, I've seen Valiant as John Cena-like figure. He's tough, rugged, and all about a moral code. Overtly Old School babyface, Val is somewhat like a Christian Faith-light; however, even more squeaky clean. You're not going to hear a swear word out of this guy. It's not that he's kid friendly per se, it's just that he's traditional in nature. Hence, a 'Valiant Warrior'. </div><p></p>
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<p>Valiant's young enough that I don't feel bad about keeping him in the midcard for now. Occasionally he'll feud with one of the top guys, giving them something to do, but he's not a priority yet.</p><p> </p><p>

In the stable wars portion of my game, he joined the heroic, morally upstanding 'Archangels' (Christian Faith, The Righteous Bumfholes) but largely played 3rd fiddle to the tag champions. Given his youth, I thought a heel turn would be in order to teach his some versatility (and I was desperately short on villains) so he was seduced to the dark side by Vengeance's 'Dark Arts' group and became the Vampiric 'V'. Essentially he's making up for every impulse, every temptation he resisted as an Archangel. In game, the gimmick was pretty much a flop (D-) but he's slowly becoming a better heel performer, and is filling a valuable role in the midcard. </p><p> </p><p>

When the time comes, I'll turn him babyface for a big push to the top. I think the trigger will be a girl (Hannah seems innocent enough) being bullied by a heel. Newly babyface, he'll be on a request for repentance, putting himself through a series of trails to make it up to everyone he's hurt as 'V'. It'll be fun seeing who he feuded with during that run. It'll be more fun to have him make it up to guys who are now heel in my game (helping out an ego-maniacal Jack Bruce for the whole guitar incident). It'll be a rocky path to redemption, but once he gets there, the reward will be the SWF Title.</p>

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<p>I pushed Valiant hard and plan on him taking the title at SC 2014</p><p> </p><p>

I easily see him being the next Bruce or Faith level babyface. Initially he appears a little vanilla, but give him an edge and he can run with the ball for sure. Right now he's being booked as my top babyface in early 2014 against World Champ Paul Huntingdon and the Chase Agency (Rogue, Eisen, Roberts). He'll naturally revert to 2nd babyface at the very least with Christian Faith at 82 popularity regardless of wins or losses and my entire main event with nearly 90 popularity.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Valiant's young enough that I don't feel bad about keeping him in the midcard for now. Occasionally he'll feud with one of the top guys, giving them something to do, but he's not a priority yet.<p> </p><p> In the stable wars portion of my game, he joined the heroic, morally upstanding 'Archangels' (Christian Faith, The Righteous Bumfholes) but largely played 3rd fiddle to the tag champions. Given his youth, I thought a heel turn would be in order to teach his some versatility (and I was desperately short on villains) so he was seduced to the dark side by Vengeance's 'Dark Arts' group and became the Vampiric 'V'. Essentially he's making up for every impulse, every temptation he resisted as an Archangel. In game, the gimmick was pretty much a flop (D-) but he's slowly becoming a better heel performer, and is filling a valuable role in the midcard. </p><p> </p><p> When the time comes, I'll turn him babyface for a big push to the top. I think the trigger will be a girl (Hannah seems innocent enough) being bullied by a heel. Newly babyface, he'll be on a request for repentance, putting himself through a series of trails to make it up to everyone he's hurt as 'V'. It'll be fun seeing who he feuded with during that run. It'll be more fun to have him make it up to guys who are now heel in my game (helping out an ego-maniacal Jack Bruce for the whole guitar incident). It'll be a rocky path to redemption, but once he gets there, the reward will be the SWF Title.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My thoughts exactly, Self.</p><p> </p><p> Valiant has youth on his side. I don't feel the need to push him so strong right away. While others may get a bigger push at a younger age, I'm in the process of trying to flesh out a character for Valiant going forward. I guess that's the difference. I'm pushing Des Davids, who is also pretty young, but I'm okay with his character being more of a basic c*cky bodybuilder type. With Valiant, someone who you could center a company around for years to come, I think it's more important to give him some storylines to develop his character fully before I throw him into the main event mix. That way, there's no depth to him once he's standing atop the rest of the bunch.</p><p> </p><p> I've thought of turning him a few times here and there. It's good to know that they can get 'better' at being a specific disposition. Ultimately, there'd be a lot of fun booking a bad guy by the name of 'Valiant'. Just has contradiction written ALL over it.</p>
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<p>In my SWF game, I pushed Valiant pretty early. During the Chase Agency feud, Valiant and Jack Bruce teamed up pretty regularly against James, Rogue, and Huntingdon. The rub from Bruce helped his entertainment skills and his popularity, so once I blew off the feud in April, I decided to see how his main event feud would go.</p><p> </p><p>

I had Bruce VS Remo at a PPV, couldn't remember which one, where Bruce won but Remo took out Bruce post-match with an "kayfabe" injury. Valiant had just finished a match so he couldn't come out to save Bruce in time. That led to Valiant VS Remo at the next PPV, where Valiant promised to get revenge for the "Rock Star Rebel". Remo, however, won the match, when Jack Bruce returned from injury and turned on him with a chair; saying "Where's your help now, Valiant, where's your help now?" Bruce left him laying. At Supreme Challenge, they had their first match-up where Bruce cheated to win. </p><p> </p><p>

At Welcome to the Jungle, Valiant won the "King of the Jungle" match-up for his anytime title shot, which he cashed on.....Jack Bruce one month later after a last man standing match between Frehley and Bruce. Now Valiant has A* popularity everywhere and him and Bruce are the top two in popularity overall.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eisen-verse" data-cite="Eisen-verse" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;">I'm having trouble visualizing Rocky Golden (or Rocky Idol in my SWF Project).</div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> He's a Big Heavyweight with a B+ for power, A* in Star Quality, and a C+ in athleticism. So, he's a big man with a great look who happens to have some agility to him for his size (not great but we're not talking Kevin Nash knees here). </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> I've got some ideas for his character but I'm trying to think of a real world version (based upon the stats above) that he may look like in the ring? </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> Thought I'd see what others thought.</div><p></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've said this before, but the obvious answer is Hulk Hogan circa 1980. At the time, Hogan could move pretty well (worked in AWA in 81 and NJPW around the same time), was 6'7" and over 300 pounds, and had the best look in the business. Hogan also wrestled under the name "Sterling Golden" around this time. </p><p> </p><p> As for Valiant, while he's certainly better than Kofi, I don't particularly like putting him in the main event until his character gets a bit more edge. His stats do at least put him in the same ballpark as John Cena, so maybe he just needs a gimmick where he salutes everyone and then acts like he's an underdog while he beats everybody.</p>
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Since the start of the game I've had a little side-mission to build Scythe as a monster to hopefully one day replace Vengeance. Heading into November 2013 right now, Scythe is a midcarder and has a 19-match winning streak (has never lost, mostly Uprising matches) and just got the biggest win of his career in a clean victory over Kurt Laramee on Supreme TV. Scythe's current POP is about 25-27 across the US which I think is good considering he's been primarily squashing enhancement talent on the B-show, but I didn't see the big boost in POP that I was expecting by putting him over Laramee (who has POP in the mid-60s across the US and is also a midcarder). It doesn't look like I've hit a POP cap since he's still improving month-to-month, but I can't actually tell since all I have ever done with him is have him win and look strong. Oh well, maybe I'll give him a couple more bigger wins before the end of the year and see where he's at come January.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Popularity gains on TV are 25% of the gains from PPV so going over someone more over than him on PPV is much more beneficial than doing so on TV.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Gotcha, thanks. Welp, should have saved that one for Let the Games Begin, but instead it will give me an excuse to give Kurt a couple of wins leading up to Break Like the Wind. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<p>Has anyone attempted to book Runaway Train in a match since becoming retired? I don't have the game in front of me now; however, believe that his stats were not 'terrible' enough to keep him out of the ring. Not necessarily a full-time schedule but maybe one...two... matches a year? More or less, seeing if anyone has and how it turned out grade-wise. </p><p> </p><p> He still has a "B-" state of overness in the game; so, at least from that standpoint, he could draw slightly.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've said this before, but the obvious answer is Hulk Hogan circa 1980. At the time, Hogan could move pretty well (worked in AWA in 81 and NJPW around the same time), was 6'7" and over 300 pounds, and had the best look in the business. Hogan also wrestled under the name "Sterling Golden" around this time.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> "Sterling Golden" really does fit the mold, doesn't he? I watched a match from that time frame and he did possess a little more athleticism than 1st thought. His 'look' was perfect for the time as well.</p><p> </p><p> With Rocky Idol (Golden), I'm thinking as a fusion of he and Triple H. More or less, he's the bodybuilder type who looks like a walking, talking, live-action He-Man of sorts. Muscular, powerful but athletic enough to explode from time-to-time. I would perceive such to garner him an A* in Star Quality as fans would know, right away, that he has 'the look'. The blue-print of a mega-star of sorts.</p>
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