What type of game would you like to see done for Grey Dog?

[BHK1978]

I wouldn't go for Hockey. OOTP do have that already, and even though its still a buggy mess, you'd have to compete with it.

 

I have not played it but from what I have heard about it, it is not very good and nowhere near as good as their OOTPB series. Granted it is only their first version but that also means that their customer base might not be there yet and so maybe a GDS game would have a good chance to compete in that market.

 

Now if you were to say a baseball game then yes I would advise against that because OOTPB is damn near perfect or at least I think it is.

[FlameSnoopy]

I'd love a television simulator. Would be so much fun juggling characters and story lines over seasons and deal with the expectations and demands of your TV station. It could have station owner or just script writing, anything would do really

[TC Dale]

TV and/or Movie mogul game (TV game would be fun since no one has jumped on this to the depth of the sports simulation usually does for games)

 

Horse Racing (Like others have stated, there is a market for combining the best of both worlds of games released already to make a great new competitive game.)

 

Soccer game (Because one company has a big jump on development) doesn't mean market couldn't support another game out there. This one game idea has the most potential of worldwide sales.

 

All three would need support and patience as they slowly develop to a strong product and features list. Some games just need the time to learn their way and sometimes today, people just aren't as patient as they used to be.

[DAVEFAN95]

<p>I would be game for any of these games but I think something different could be awesome too. Here are some suggestions I could come up with off the top of my head. (But hey, if these do inspire anything I wanna special thanks <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />)</p><p> </p><p>

1) <strong>A Criminal Syndicate sim</strong></p><p>

<em>This would be really cool, it would work something like CBH but obviously different in a lot of ways too. You could start as just a genuine street thug and work your way up individually or in a gang. You could also make a text based "linear" story mode where your decisions throughout the game would influence what route your character would take. He might die in the end or might decide to leave the crime world. </em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

Objective:</em></p><p><em>

To own as many territories as possible.</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

Features:</em></p><p><em>

1. Different Jobs including drug dealing, weapons dealer, fraud, robbery (heists), murder (rival gang), corrupt police officials, etc.</em></p><p><em>

2. Being able to interact with other gang members, like creating a plan to dethrone the current boss or interrogate a member about being a mole for the police.</em></p><p><em>

3. Personality impacts how people think and act in game (paranoid/calm, Ruthless/forgiving etc)</em></p><p><em>

(Other things could go in but these are the only ones in my head as of now)</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

Stats: </em></p><p><em>

Shooting (Obvious, but better shots could be used as snipers while lower guys would have machine guns etc)</em></p><p><em>

Stealth (Obvious)</em></p><p><em>

Mind (How much the person knows the business, this would help in terms of creating heists, etc and being the kingpin in a gang)</em></p><p><em>

Intelligence (How smart he is, higher value makes better decisions, which means less likely to be caught)</em></p><p><em>

Driving (Essentially for getaway drivers if needed)</em></p><p><em>

Hacking (Opening locked doors, vaults, etc with passwords)</em></p><p><em>

Technology (This is how good a person can get things for a job, such as armour or explosives.)</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

</em><em><strong>2) Horse/ Greyhound Owner sim</strong></em></p><p><em>

This would essentially be you are a person who owns horses/dogs and races them to get money. You would then have to breed or buy more dogs. </em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

Objectives</em></p><p><em>

Create the best dog/horse and win as much money as possible to gain a better reputation.</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

Features</em></p><p><em>

1. Pick your own back story, from former trainer to multi-millionaire, this will impact your stats and starting money to help your horse/dog.</em></p><p><em>

2. Ranking systems and awards for best horse/dog, trainer or owner etc.</em></p><p><em>

3. Hire a team to make your dog the best it can be. (Trainer, Behaviour, dietician, Vet) </em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

Stats:</em></p><p><em>

</em><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Person</span></em></p><p><em>

Training (Speed, acceleration, behavior) (How good they are at training and increasing the stats of the dog in each area)</em></p><p><em>

Veterinary (Essentially for vets)</em></p><p><em>

Dietary knowledge (essentially for dieticians, not all vets can be dieticians and vice versa)</em></p><p><em>

Passion (the higher the passion the better the person's stats can improve)</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

</em><em><em>Animal</em></em></p><p><em>

Speed (obvious)</em></p><p><em>

Acceleration (obvious)</em></p><p><em>

Behavior (obvious)</em></p><p><em>

Passion (this impacts the animals will to increase it's stats and the more willing it is to challenge other dogs when things get up close and personal, this stat can not change throughout the life of the dog)</em></p><p><em>

Intelligence (Impact how well the animal turns as well as that it holds it's stamina if needed, experience will make this stat go up.)</em></p><p><em>

Jumping (obvious, horses only)</em></p><p><em>

Stamina (Obvious)</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

</em><em><strong>3) Car Manufacture Sim</strong></em></p><p><em>

You make new cars and challenge other companies in sales, car efficiency, critical analysis, fuel efficiency, to become the best company in the world.</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

Objective</em></p><p><em>

See above</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

Features</em></p><p><em>

1) Build cars from scratch to create the best car</em></p><p><em>

2) Research things so that you have the best tech before anybody else</em></p><p><em>

3) Awards for the best car, company, employee, etc</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

Stats</em></p><p><em>

Not quite sure but i bet i could think of something eventually</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

These would interest me anyway. </em><img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><em>.</em></p><p><em>

</em></p>

[DAVEFAN95]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Clarity" data-cite="Clarity" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I wouldn't go for Hockey. OOTP do have that already, and even though its still a buggy mess, you'd have to compete with it. Football would always be compared to Football Manager.. I think a niche game would be better<p> </p><p> Its been posted often in the Future Games Forum, but a TV producing game would certainly be interesting..</p><p> </p><p> I know that 4 years ago (has it been that long) I wrote a massive post on how to utlise the TEW engine which I've searched for and dug out</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That sounds so good. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />.</p>

[Derek DiBenedetto]

<p>Some great ideas here! A few thoughts:</p><p> </p><p>

- Gang/Crime game DAVEFAN mentioned: I'll actually be producing something like this, but not for Grey Dog more than likely. As some of you here may know, i'm starting my own little company with the odd little off-genre games I like to make that may not fit in with GD's clientele that well, and this will be the first one. Since it was brought up, and if this interests you, feel free to visit here for screenies and update: <a href="http://simprosestudios.com/?q=node/98" rel="external nofollow">Streets of Chaos</a></p><p> </p><p>

- A Hockey sim is leading the pack voting wise, which is a bit of a surprise. Or perhaps it shouldn't be, given the issues of OOTP's entry. I happen to think EHM was the model to follow on this genre really, and the model FHM should have followed.</p><p> </p><p>

- A good detailed Horse Racing sim would be awesome, and something i've toyed with for awhile now.</p><p> </p><p>

- Running a TV network: Yeah, I believe I played something sorta like this way back, around 2003 or so, and it was cool, if buggy and limited by its developer's low budget. Done right, it could be awesome though, I agree.</p><p> </p><p>

- Running a Car Maker: Already being done, and pretty detailed, by these people: <a href="https://automationgame.com/" rel="external nofollow">https://automationgame.com/</a></p><p> </p><p>

- Football: I'm sure Arlie is working hard on Bowl Bound Pro as we speak. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Please keep voting everyone! I may use this poll as my next project idea for GDS.</p>

[i effin rule]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Think there were a lot of people wanting a Movie making simulator like Hollywood Mogul for a while.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dpoolez" data-cite="dpoolez" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is more of a personal suggestion but I'd love a music industry simulator by someone from GDS.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Definitely these. TV would work well too, maybe one that does both TV and Film as there is more talent crossover these days from actors, writers, producers, and directors. </p><p> </p><p> I would give you my money right now for a modern, detail rich version of Hollywood Mogul 2 (3 just didn't do it for me).</p>

[Clarity]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I have not played it but from what I have heard about it, it is not very good and nowhere near as good as their OOTPB series. Granted it is only their first version but that also means that their customer base might not be there yet and so maybe a GDS game would have a good chance to compete in that market.<p> </p><p> Now if you were to say a baseball game then yes I would advise against that because OOTPB is damn near perfect or at least I think it is.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've got OOTP14 & 15 and FHM is nowhere near the standard. What really lets it down (in my opinion) is the matches. It gives you no indication of injuries or fights in the PBP, its just:</p><p> </p><p> TEAM 1 wins the faceoff</p><p> TEAM 1 shoots</p><p> TEAM 2 watches it go wide</p><p> </p><p> It really needs more interactivity. Perhaps some option to select the next line out before a faceoff or ability to challenge calls..</p><p> </p><p> Currently there is no point even watching the games. OOTP announced a new match engine 6 months ago and its still not perfected or released.</p><p> </p><p> As for a GDS Ice Hockey game.. You would have to 100% nail it and I think it would be a project that would take a couple of years to get right. You would then be competing with FHM2 (which they have announced) which could hurt your sales.</p><p> </p><p> As for horseracing or dog racing.. Im not sure the following is there for it.</p><p> </p><p> DAVEFAN95's crime sim could be interesting if done right. It could be either modern era or prohibition gangsters</p>

[Blackman]

Lots of strategies involved - I actually just got Pro Cycling Manager 2013 for dirt cheap on some sale and while that isn't something I would ever watch on TV (and no, doping is NOT an option in the game ), the game itself is fairly in-depth and strategic.

 

I loved PCM back in the day. The fact that I spend several hundreds of hours over the course of almost a decade speaks for itself. In a vacuum, the game isn't all that good to begin with, but for a cycling fan like moi, it was awesome. I mostly played the management part as the first part of the races is boring as hell, but it's far from a shallow experience. Haven't touched the game in years, as there doesn't seem to be a lot of advancement from the management side of things. Only better graphics, which I don't give a crap about.

[bigtplaystew]

<p>Showtime is o.k. but it's not as good as it could be. I feel like the movie making sim thing could be done much better. </p><p> </p><p>

I'm interested in anything but horse racing to be honest. I'll keep my preachy thoughts to myself but I despise the very fabric of everything that is horse racing.</p>

[rd_dbacks01]

A "legitimate business" sim

[Derek DiBenedetto]

It appears "Car Racing" is winning of the specific choices so far, which is a bit of a surprise, but then again, NASCAR is extremely popular, so it isn't too much of a shock. Would a good NASCAR style text sim (including hiring a driver/pit crew, equipping your car, dealing with accidents and part breakage, managing your budget, etc) be appealing to people here?

[Crychon]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Definitely these. TV would work well too, maybe one that does both TV and Film as there is more talent crossover these days from actors, writers, producers, and directors. <p> </p><p> I would give you my money right now for a modern, detail rich version of Hollywood Mogul 2 (3 just didn't do it for me).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> /nod Either of these would be awesome. Something modern along the vein of HM2 or Chart Wars 3 would be really nice.</p>

[Emark]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek DiBenedetto" data-cite="Derek DiBenedetto" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It appears "Car Racing" is winning of the specific choices so far, which is a bit of a surprise, but then again, NASCAR is extremely popular, so it isn't too much of a shock. Would a good NASCAR style text sim (including hiring a driver/pit crew, equipping your car, dealing with accidents and part breakage, managing your budget, etc) be appealing to people here?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It would appeal to me. Throw in sponsorship management, multi-car teams, drivers walking if unhappy, etc and I'm in. Heck, might even sign up to be a tester. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Self]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Crychon" data-cite="Crychon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>/nod Either of these would be awesome. Something modern along the vein of HM2 or Chart Wars 3 would be really nice.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I always felt Hollywood Mogul was way too caught up in the financial side of movie making. So many options for contracts and promotion and budgeting, when all I really wanted to focus on was casting and creative decisions. Riding the waves of stardom. Seeing "oh, this guy's in the new x-men, I should cast him in my no-budget flick now while he's still cheap, because he might be a star when it comes to my release date".</p>

[Capelli King]

Soccer GM (Control team transactions, manage budget, etc):

 

I would love this, however the chances of ever being competitive here with the liked of FM coming out every year makes it almost impossible i think.

 

Hockey (NHL?) Sim/GM game (Same as above):

 

OOTP created their version just recently (as it is mentioned in this thread) and although it is not perfect, i expect their new version to be up to par. It wont be easy to compete with them i think.

 

Horse Racing (Manage stable, jockeys, etc):

 

Starters orders! http://www.startersorders.com/

 

You guys are way late for this. SO6 is out recently and frankly speaking it is awesome. It is not that well advertised, however it is very in depth.

 

Car Racing (Manage your cars, sponsors, etc).

 

It appears "Car Racing" is winning of the specific choices so far, which is a bit of a surprise, but then again, NASCAR is extremely popular, so it isn't too much of a shock. Would a good NASCAR style text sim (including hiring a driver/pit crew, equipping your car, dealing with accidents and part breakage, managing your budget, etc) be appealing to people here?

 

So far car racing has just 22% of the voting, so it is not really winning the choices so far. Car racing is one of those which has never really had a proper game. I do not think this genre is a game which has massive potential though. Personally i would not like to see a game in this genre.

 

There have been a few suggestions here for a TV / Movie game. There are quite a few out there, but from what i see, non of them survive or do very well and i do not think it is because they are poorly made. Personally i would like to see a game in that genre if it can top Movie Mongul. You could even combine the TV / Movie / Music genre to create an Entertainment mongul game. Music Wars has a good foundation to start from.

 

About the crime game. There are so many of them out there i am kind of losing count. The all started to pop up around 7-8 years ago and there is a crap load. To be honest i have not really payed too much attention to what is going on there although i have played at times the various crime games and i would day that the genre is pretty full and well supported.

 

A "legitimate business" sim

 

I agree with this. Another idea in this genre is a business tycoon game in the light of Capitalism Plus 2. That game is over 10 years old and there has not really been anything to top it and although it is still pretty good, it is out of date for sure.

 

 

So if i was to draw some conclusion, a business game, Entertainment mogul game would probably be the best, however a Car racing game out of the choices posted would probably be best. For the car racing game though i simply do not see the potential in this game. There have been loads of these games out (i have 2 on my computer now). They are all very similar and pretty boring. You create a team, you buy car, fix car, get sponsors, hire drivers and update the car. Races for a text game are generic in general. Season end, new season. The entertainment / business game can expand into loads of directions though and can be really interesting.

[paulskln]

I have been searching for a text based boxing manager game for ages...This would get my vote....here is the game I used to play years ago

similar to this would be great

 

[Imarevenant]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I always felt Hollywood Mogul was way too caught up in the financial side of movie making. So many options for contracts and promotion and budgeting, when all I really wanted to focus on was casting and creative decisions. Riding the waves of stardom. Seeing "oh, this guy's in the new x-men, I should cast him in my no-budget flick now while he's still cheap, because he might be a star when it comes to my release date".</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree, the financial side is probably the one thing it does really well. I also like the script set up as it was easy to use.</p><p> </p><p> I think, what those of us who would like to see a GDS movie/entertainment mogul game, envision is a game which balances what HM does well with a game that actually feels alive. There is nothing in those games to make it feel like you are dealing with a live world.</p><p> </p><p> It's the opposite with TEW. If I say Big Smack Scott, we all can picture an actual character with his own personality. And with HM, even when you add RL actors and directors you just never get the sense that the actor you chose for a role is anything more than an avatar for the numbers behind it. You have a comedy movie, you just pick the highest rated comedy actor within your budget and move on.</p><p> </p><p> I would love to see some personality given to the actors/directors. I want train wrecks like Lindsey Lohan, Amanda Bynes, and Shia Lebouf getting arrested and losing public favor while you're filming their next movie. Or Terrance Malick popping up every few years with a script and causing a bidding war for the rights to distribute his next film. </p><p> </p><p> I would also like for the characters to develop relationships that affect casting and/or production. You have Seth Rogen signed for a big budget comedy; perhaps his friendship with James Franco helps you land Franco at a discount for a small supporting role. Or maybe the bad experience with a director leads to an actor never wanting to work with them again ala Kevin Smith/Bruce Willis. Nothing like this happens in HM.</p><p> </p><p> I would also like the characters to have more robust ratings. I don't want a rating telling me how good a director is at finishing a shoot on time. I want multiple factors going into it. A) does the director like to shoot 50 takes B) does the director like to re-write scenes/dialogue while shooting. Basically, am I dealing with Stanley Kubrik here? How organized is the director? Are they like Speilberg; do they pre-vis their work and animate scenes so they know exactly how they want to shoot it? </p><p> </p><p> Did the 20 something yo party girl I hired OD in the middle of shooting and now I have to recast or get creative with the rest of shooting? Did I foolishly hire Terry Gilliam and now his set burnt to the ground and has to be rebuilt?</p><p> </p><p> That's what I want affecting the timeliness of shooting and whether things go over budget, not a rating. These types of things add a sense that the world is moving and alive. And HM doesn't have that. I never tried Showtime because honestly it's just looked like a Flashy HM to me. </p><p> </p><p> Anyway, that's just some of what I would like to see from a movie/entertainment mogul type game that I just havn't seen done before. I could go on for a while, but already approching tl/dr territory lol</p>

[Russelrules44]

I would love to a make your own reality show game (like Survivor!), OR maybe a movie game. Both of those ideas would be awesome in my opinion.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I would love to a make your own reality show game (like Survivor!), OR maybe a movie game. Both of those ideas would be awesome in my opinion.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As a huge Survivor fan I would love to see that as well but sadly it will never happen due to copyright issues. The game they did make for Survivor sucked so badly it is not even funny. I still play it from time to time in order to look back on how bad it actually was. </p><p> </p><p> @Rev: Sounds like you would want something like a hybrid of Hollywood Mogul and The Movies (Which I thought was a great game). You want to see your once bankable leading men end up messes like Ryan O'Neal, Marlon Brando and Val Kilmer. </p><p> </p><p> I love that idea a lot.</p>

[Imarevenant]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As a huge Survivor fan I would love to see that as well but sadly it will never happen due to copyright issues. The game they did make for Survivor sucked so badly it is not even funny. I still play it from time to time in order to look back on how bad it actually was. <p> </p><p> @Rev: Sounds like you would want something like a hybrid of Hollywood Mogul and The Movies (Which I thought was a great game). You want to see your once bankable leading men end up messes like Ryan O'Neal, Marlon Brando and Val Kilmer. </p><p> </p><p> I love that idea a lot.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's not even just seeing them crash and burn. Would love to see some redeem themselves and pull a Robert Downey Jr. as well. Just something that shows progression and life in the game world. </p><p> </p><p> Just something that shows the characters careers are progressing. Maybe even something similar to TEW's mechanic where gimmicks grow stale. Could accurately portray the cycle of an actors career. Like Eddie Murphy, he was the king in the 80's but after a decade playing basically the same character, the audience became indifferent toward his movies and it took him reinventing himself as a PG13 family movie guy to get back on top. Something that showed that type of progression in the characters careers would be great.</p>

[Clarity]

<p>I'd be willing to offer my help if Derek is interested. Im not too shabby with Photoshop, and I could always set Daz back up if NPCs are needed</p><p> </p><p>

I swear the entertainment game is leading right now <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Self]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's not even just seeing them crash and burn. Would love to see some redeem themselves and pull a Robert Downey Jr. as well. Just something that shows progression and life in the game world. <p> </p><p> Just something that shows the characters careers are progressing. Maybe even something similar to TEW's mechanic where gimmicks grow stale. Could accurately portray the cycle of an actors career. Like Eddie Murphy, he was the king in the 80's but after a decade playing basically the same character, the audience became indifferent toward his movies and it took him reinventing himself as a PG13 family movie guy to get back on top. Something that showed that type of progression in the characters careers would be great.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think Momentum would be as big a part in an actor's fortunes as paparazzi wackiness and staleness. Halle Berry's Oscar win for Monster's Ball put her way, way up... then Catwoman dragged her down. Momentum stalled. Taylor Kitsch came from the TV world with a lot of eyes on him, then had three clunkers in a row (Wolverine, John Carter, Battleships) that shattered that momentum, no matter his talent. </p><p> </p><p> I'm totally with you in terms of wanting the characters to have life. It's what TEW does well. Stars rise. Stars fall. Whenever I play Hollywood Mogul, I try to 'make' guys. I'll take a Ryan Reynolds and try to put him in as many movies as I can... but it's not a good as TEW at it.</p>

[RayW]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Clarity" data-cite="Clarity" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd be willing to offer my help if Derek is interested. Im not too shabby with Photoshop, and I could always set Daz back up if NPCs are needed<p> </p><p> I swear the entertainment game is leading right now <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just to second this, I'd also be happy to help out in anyway that I could. The more I read about the ideas for an entertainment type game, the more I want to play it.</p>

[Clarity]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm totally with you in terms of wanting the characters to have life. It's what TEW does well. Stars rise. Stars fall. Whenever I play Hollywood Mogul, I try to 'make' guys. I'll take a Ryan Reynolds and try to put him in as many movies as I can... but it's not a good as TEW at it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This..!</p><p> </p><p> IF (and that's a big if) Derek makes a game like this, this should be his mantra. Make it about the people first and films second. Games like Hollywood Mogul just count people as a number that works out how good a film is and I think that's backwards. Have the people fully fleshed out and use the films to influence them</p>