Genadi Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 About 40% done now with an ETA of about 3 weeks for release. Any additions or changes since July to be made please let me know and I will include for final release. Thanksss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oyaji Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I am very excited to see you working on this! I do have a question. Are you going to try to balance Japan and Mexico? Fleisch's mod was seriously incredible, well rounded, and balanced but I found Japanese workers to be a bit overrated (their selling and psychology is something I'd consider lowering en masse barring a few exceptions - I find they generally struggle to tell great logical stories in the ring but substitute it with a tonne of action), in that New Japan consistently pumps out A rated matches, their workers make up the top 15 wrestlers in the world at the end of every year, etc. Somebody also suggested looking at lowering the size of Japanese promotions other than NJPW, particularly outside of Tokyo. Luchadores, for the most part in all mods, seem to get the shaft conversely. Their brawling and technical ability seem low across the board, as does the psychology for some of the veterans relative to those in other game areas. I'm not a lucha expert by any means, but it seems to be the source of the best consistent matches in terms of psychology, technical work, and bloody brawls. Can't really recreate that with the data. Other than those two issues, Thunderkitty was set as a male, should be female (I think...?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I find they generally struggle to tell great logical stories in the ring but substitute it with a tonne of action), in that New Japan consistently pumps out A rated matches, their workers make up the top 15 wrestlers in the world at the end of every year, etc. I strongly disagree. This just seems like either a lack of knowledge of the current scene or a bias against puro for some reason but New Japan has almost objectively been the best company in the world in terms of matches. Different and more subtle storytelling doesn't mean it isn't there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oyaji Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I strongly disagree. This just seems like either a lack of knowledge of the current scene or a bias against puro for some reason but New Japan has almost objectively been the best company in the world in terms of matches. Different and more subtle storytelling doesn't mean it isn't there Guys like Okada, Naito, and sometimes even Tanahashi are more worried about hitting their next move than selling. They'll spend the first 10 minutes of a match having a limb worked on and then drop it so they can enter sprint mode. Psychology in Japan is unique, I understand that, but it has gotten progressively worse generally since the mid-to-late '90s. Why the hell does Nakamura have to hit three Boma Ye knees to win a match now? How does that help in the long run in terms of story telling? Not to mention that awful 50/50 strike exchange before the stretch run of every match. You're telling me the guy that just got dropped on his head three times is going to win a strike exchange with his opponent? Why? There is a definite lack of continuity going on there. Watching the G1 really shows how limited the psychology is for a lot of guys in that their matches are formulaic and everybody has to get all their moves in in every match. They all have the overdone finisher reversal fest that has now infested the WWE, too but not nearly to the same extent. I know this is a subjective issue (but what isn't?), I just don't think the psychology is very good in Japanese wrestling and it is strongly tied with continuity and selling. As I said, I think their top row stats should be the highest, generally, but their psychology and selling lowered considerably to balance it out. At least, I don't think their workers should be head and shoulders above everybody else in the world when you have a handful of guys in WWE and a strong Lucha Libre scene with better told stories and feature consistent selling. Also, how is anything in pro wrestling objective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Nothing in wrestling is objective of course but there are some things that are generally accepted as truths. For instance it's an opinion that Flair was a great worker but it's a generally accepted fact. Ishii and Shibata have their sprints but I don't see main events like that at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phreak Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 HECK YES! I had a lot of fun with your short lived H-Verse mod and am very much looking forward to this one. Just one question, purely out of curiosity, will you be building this off of Fleish's RWC, the H-Verse, or something else entirely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Good luck with this. I know I'll be downloading upon release as i've enjoyed all your mods so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarasus Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 The Legend has returned with new mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silva Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 - Alberto Del Rio has been fired from WWE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 - Alberto Del Rio has been fired from WWE There's a large chance it's just a storyline. They didn't treat it like a legit firing on their website. Like I said in the WWE thread: They didn't wish him best in his future endeavours, nor did they address him by his real name like they do when they release people. It seems odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxley Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 There's a large chance it's just a storyline. They didn't treat it like a legit firing on their website. Like I said in the WWE thread: They didn't wish him best in his future endeavours, nor did they address him by his real name like they do when they release people. It seems odd. I don't think they called Curt Hawkins, JTG, Jinder Mahal, Evan Bourne or Drew McIntyre etc with their real names either when they released them recently. Might be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 There's a large chance it's just a storyline. They didn't treat it like a legit firing on their website. Like I said in the WWE thread: They didn't wish him best in his future endeavours, nor did they address him by his real name like they do when they release people. It seems odd. Also, if it is as heinous as rumoured (He's either attacked Kevin Dunn or got into an altercation with a female according to the two rumours I've seen) then he might not get the pleasantries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I don't think they called Curt Hawkins, JTG, Jinder Mahal, Evan Bourne or Drew McIntyre etc with their real names either when they released them recently. Might be wrong though. Also, if it is as heinous as rumoured (He's either attacked Kevin Dunn or got into an altercation with a female according to the two rumours I've seen) then he might not get the pleasantries. I was unaware they didn't say those guys' real names. I hadn't read those rumors yet. I know his contract was reportedly ending soon, but what would get a guy so riled up he'd attack a high level Suit or even a female of any position?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I was unaware they didn't say those guys' real names. I hadn't read those rumors yet. I know his contract was reportedly ending soon, but what would get a guy so riled up he'd attack a high level Suit or even a female of any position?! No clue, there has been reports about his bad attitude before though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnbill5000 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 I'm happy to see you return, and I was not expecting an up to date current day mod. But now I can't wait for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Genadi taking a crack at today? You know that I'm going to play the shit out of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted August 8, 2014 Author Share Posted August 8, 2014 HECK YES! I had a lot of fun with your short lived H-Verse mod and am very much looking forward to this one. Just one question, purely out of curiosity, will you be building this off of Fleish's RWC, the H-Verse, or something else entirely? I'm using Fleisch's July data as a base (big thanks to him for allowing me to!), importing things I want from a semi updated H-Verse I have and also adding a few other bits and pieces, like Mammoths gimmick file etc. I appreciate any help, especially on release when it comes to lesser known workers. I study and watch as many matches as I can when modding but it's impossible to know everyone well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Just give me any questions and I will answer them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 I'm using Fleisch's July data as a base (big thanks to him for allowing me to!), importing things I want from a semi updated H-Verse I have and also adding a few other bits and pieces, like Mammoths gimmick file etc. I appreciate any help, especially on release when it comes to lesser known workers. I study and watch as many matches as I can when modding but it's impossible to know everyone well. If you're going to keep in the Texas workers (I can look over the mod and PM you a list) in this next data set, feel free to take a look at their stats and make whatever adjustments you feel are necessary. I tried to balance them out, but I may have gone a little high or low in some areas of their stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 Thanks very much guys I will need help with gimmicks mostly. I'm using Mammoths gimmick file with some adjustments made by a very respected modder here who's working on a mod soon to be released (don't want to name him in case it's his surprise) so I've had to delete all of the gimmicks that were there. Especially for smaller and UK feds, some help with gimmicks would be a massive help. I'll post details on which company is being done when it comes time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrypotterhead Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 list of all the WWE/NXT referees (WWE) Chad Patton Charles Robinson Darrick Moore Jason Ayers John Cone Mike Chioda Rod Zapata Ryan Tran Scott Armstrong (NXT) Danilo Anfibio Drake Wuertz Matt Bennett Dan Engler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frootloop Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 This is good for me...bad for my 2006 dynasty. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 list of all the WWE/NXT referees (WWE) Chad Patton Charles Robinson Darrick Moore Jason Ayers John Cone Mike Chioda Rod Zapata Ryan Tran Scott Armstrong (NXT) Danilo Anfibio Drake Wuertz Matt Bennett Dan Engler And just in case anyone doesn't realize it, Dan Engler is Rudy Charles from TNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxley Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 ALBERTO DEL RIO TO MAKE FIRST POST-WWE APPEARANCE OPPOSITE SUMMERSLAM? Legendary AAA rudo announcer Arturo Rivera tweeted almost an hour ago that Alberto del Rio will be appearing at Triplemania XXII this Sunday with no other details than that. Triplemania is slated to air on iPPV opposite Summerslam this Sunday 8/17. This will be definitely something to watch out for in the coming days. Add Alberto Del Rio to AAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrypotterhead Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 question about ricky steamboat, now that he's no longer a WWE producer/agent, and only has a legend contract like pipper for example. should we eleminate his WWE contract? because he no longer has his road agent job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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