The Minor Questions Thread

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Celuwyn" data-cite="Celuwyn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wait, you can ask the crowd in WMMA 3 ? That was not for WMMA1 ?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In WMMA1 you had the famed and loved popularity "bar", where WMMA4 uses a ordinal feedback system based on relative values. I miss the "big fight" feel though where you strife to fill the bar all the way instead of getting the maximum amount every damn card. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> You can still have a small show, but it will lower popularity dramatically. It sucks, yes, but it makes sense to me as the periods where UFC had a string of "small shows" had people bitching on the internet how crappy it had become, so I don't think they gained many fans at that time. However, I believe that if you produce such a vast stream of low-quality cards, you will end up making huge progress on the long term given all your fighters gain the pop boosts quicker. Instead of capitalizing on a few big stars, you'll create a pool of possible contenders, and the quantity of shows will eventually keep up with the big event approach. (but that's a very long term plan)</p>

[Payne]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You can still have a small show, but it will lower popularity dramatically. It sucks, yes, but it makes sense to me as the periods where UFC had a string of "small shows" had people bitching on the internet how crappy it had become, so I don't think they gained many fans at that time. However, I believe that if you produce such a vast stream of low-quality cards, you will end up making huge progress on the long term given all your fighters gain the pop boosts quicker. Instead of capitalizing on a few big stars, you'll create a pool of possible contenders, and the quantity of shows will eventually keep up with the big event approach. (but that's a very long term plan)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm trying to get a Fight Night/UFC on Fox feel to it. A show to promote new stars in between PPV's that showcase the big ones.</p>

[Blackman]

I also would've liked it more if show like that just resulted in less views instead of potentially getting huge pop drops, but it's like this so we're out of options.

[Judoku1819]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="scorpion" data-cite="scorpion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If a fighter has beaten another fighter twice by split decision, is that justifiction for a third bout or no?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As far as the game goes its really up to you. You can play it however you wish to. If you think they should and they put on good competitive matches then they could fight as many times as you wanted them too.</p><p> </p><p> If you're asking about if it'd be true to reality... it depends. Probably not. Unless the fighter who lost twice was the only logical contender for the title being held by the fighter he lost to twice. Or if there was a call-out/bad blood between the fighters.</p>

[Blackman]

<p>That's what it eventually comes down to. I personally would've fired Gastelum's ass today. What an idiot. Guys like that are just toxic. But some will choose to keep him to have more options in the future, which makes sense but might harm you in the future.</p><p> </p><p>

If there'd be a Rousey vs Tate now, people would still really be into it, given the intriguing entwinement of wins/losses between them and Holm. Given that they are still the two most popular fighters there, the game would still signify the match as a main event. There will just be a penalty, but imo the penalty should never be so big as to completely remove it as an option.</p><p> </p><p>

Hopefully WMMA will let us make these hard decisions like TEW forces us to. As it stands in the default db there's hardly anyone who ever misses weight, or the player would have to be the one screwing it up by switching people around.</p>

[satubito]

Hey all first time player to the series here. I have WMMA4 and have no idea what I'm doing unfortunately. I downloaded and got a mod/picture pack that I want to use in the game (At least I was able to do that!). Tried watching videos on youtube, but it just doesn't make sense when guys are flying through what they are doing. I'd really like a guide for the new game if someone has one? Tried to download Blackman_eventbooking document, but it wouldn't open after I saved it. All help for a total noob would be much appreciated!

[Mike Louis]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Payne" data-cite="Payne" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm trying to get a Fight Night/UFC on Fox feel to it. A show to promote new stars in between PPV's that showcase the big ones.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In my games, I always create my own network so that I can have minor Fight Night style show to showcase newer and low name value fighters without worrying about the network cancelling their media contract with you.</p>

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="satubito" data-cite="satubito" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Tried to download Blackman_eventbooking document, but it wouldn't open after I saved it. All help for a total noob would be much appreciated!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Where did you find that? I remember making a (small) guide for WMMA3 on Steam which covers all the steps to booking an event and, essentially, still is valid for WMMA4, despite the buttons being situated elsewhere. You should still see it on Steam.</p><p> </p><p> The TEW idea of having a living FAQ is nice, but it doesn't make sense if the ideas/answers aren't compiled in the first post. I've seen the same questions asked for over 5 times already.</p>

[satubito]

Where did you find that? I remember making a (small) guide for WMMA3 on Steam which covers all the steps to booking an event and, essentially, still is valid for WMMA4, despite the buttons being situated elsewhere. You should still see it on Steam.

 

The TEW idea of having a living FAQ is nice, but it doesn't make sense if the ideas/answers aren't compiled in the first post. I've seen the same questions asked for over 5 times already.

 

It was an attachment here:

 

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=530678

 

I downloaded, but it says its corrupted. I forgot about the whole steam thing, and I did see a few guides up on it. Thank you for the response! Best way to learn is just click around and try different things I suppose.

[Blackman]

Well, it's the exact same guide that's on steam, as I posted it there.

[raufbold]

<p>rejoin</p><p> </p><p>

So, I have cut a fighter a while ago (over 2 years). Have been trying to get her back for the last year probably (every month). She still says she doesn't want to rejoin the company so soon after leaving. </p><p>

Does anybody know how long it takes for a fighter to "forgive" being cut and rejoin the promotion?</p>

[Judoku1819]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="raufbold" data-cite="raufbold" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So, I have cut a fighter a while ago (over 2 years). Have been trying to get her back for the last year probably (every month). She still says she doesn't want to rejoin the company so soon after leaving. <p> Does anybody know how long it takes for a fighter to "forgive" being cut and rejoin the promotion?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In my experience a year or slightly over. You're obviously experiencing a very rare case.</p>

[scorpion]

<p>So with little over a week to go to my event, and within days of each other injuries cancelled both main event and co-main. The next match on the card is not main-event worthy.</p><p> </p><p>

So q1- How do you handle this situation, just take the hit?</p><p> </p><p>

however in my case the healthy fighters are bantam/feather so they are willing to fight each other in a catchweight fight that qualifies as a great main event. </p><p> </p><p>

q2- Should I book it as catchweight or move on of the fighters to the same division? (Both are wiling to fight in feather or bantam)</p>

[pgaige]

<p>I see three options.</p><p> </p><p>

1. Just take the hit...ultimately, unless you're starting at a very low level and rushing to High Level Regional in order to get a broadcast deal before you go broke, losing 5 or 10% popularity isn't going to significantly affect your game much. </p><p> </p><p>

2. Rebook the fighters against each other. If it's a great main event, then that would work fine even as a catchweight. However, you're likely putting 2 main event quality fighters against each other, and one will lose and kill his momentum. If you're short on main event quality guys, this could hurt you in the long run (although not majorly...see #1). </p><p> </p><p>

3. If you have other events booked, you can see if you can move one of the main events forward. The fighters would have been training, and sometimes can be rebooked earlier without any problems. (I usually have 3-4 events booked ahead of time for this reason). Worst case, if you can't rebook another main event sooner, then you can just rebook at the event they were originally on.</p>

[Mike Louis]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="scorpion" data-cite="scorpion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So with little over a week to go to my event, and within days of each other injuries cancelled both main event and co-main. The next match on the card is not main-event worthy.<p> </p><p> So q1- How do you handle this situation, just take the hit?</p><p> </p><p> however in my case the healthy fighters are bantam/feather so they are willing to fight each other in a catchweight fight that qualifies as a great main event. </p><p> </p><p> q2- Should I book it as catchweight or move on of the fighters to the same division? (Both are wiling to fight in feather or bantam)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I would go ahead and book them as a catchweight bout since they're willing to fight each other. That way at least your card is saved ratings / commercial wise.</p>

[scorpion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="pgaige" data-cite="pgaige" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> 3. If you have other events booked, you can see if you can move one of the main events forward. The fighters would have been training, and sometimes can be rebooked earlier without any problems. (I usually have 3-4 events booked ahead of time for this reason). Worst case, if you can't rebook another main event sooner, then you can just rebook at the event they were originally on.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd forgotten about this, I've never moved a whole match forward, but several times where GAMMA came in trying to sign two fighters at the same weight, already booked in different matches, I've re-booked so that the fighters not leaving face each other, and I either just let the other fighters leave, or book them against each other if I need them to give me a main event or whatever, and more than once that meant moving a fighter up a card</p><p> </p><p> Edit: appreciate both responses, I did end up just booking the openweight fight, running the card now. but I will remember this for the future. I typically try to book a good/great ME for every card plus 1, preferably 2 decent/potential ME's to be safe.</p>

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mike Louis" data-cite="Mike Louis" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I would go ahead and book them as a catchweight bout since they're willing to fight each other. That way at least your card is saved ratings / commercial wise.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think the game is way too lenient with replacement fights. Fighters have no problems with changing opponents or dates as long as the fight's been planned ahead. Fight two weeks later? Sure, why not. I'll just add two extra weeks to my training camp? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Fight someone completely different mere days before the fight? Can't see why not as long as I'm not outmatched. Don't get me wrong: I'm sure much more people prefer it like this, but those craving some form of realism will have to make their own rules. Obviously no one is sadistic enough to sim it like real life where cards are decimated weeks before the date.</p><p> </p><p> The next version could use an overhaul of the fight camp system.</p>

[kingjurj]

Will fighters who are deceased or retired pre-game start have the ability to regenerate if they're set to regenerate with picture?

[Adam Ryland]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="kingjurj" data-cite="kingjurj" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Will fighters who are deceased or retired pre-game start have the ability to regenerate if they're set to regenerate with picture?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not if they're deceased, as there would be nothing to trigger the regeneration.</p>

[kingjurj]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not if they're deceased, as there would be nothing to trigger the regeneration.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So if they start the game retired, they can regenerate?</p>

[Blackman]

I also assumed the retirement decision triggered the regeneration.

[Adam Ryland]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="kingjurj" data-cite="kingjurj" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So if they start the game retired, they can regenerate?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I can't remember. If they're already retired then death may be an alternate trigger for them.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT - I have checked and the above is correct.</p>

[kingjurj]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38723" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can't remember. If they're already retired then death may be an alternate trigger for them.<p> </p><p> EDIT - I have checked and the above is correct.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks for the replies! Basically <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=229" rel="external nofollow">here's what I'm going through.</a> Would be awesome if you could help me out! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />:D:D</p>

[cymru96]

Why do female fighters (generally speaking) retire younger than their male counterparts?

[pgaige]

<p>I *think* female fighters retire earlier because there's usually less opportunity. I believe retirement is partially determined by what the fighter sees as his/her career trajectory, for lack of a better word. If there is only 1-2 smaller regional promotions offering women fights, and they're not signed by them, or the champion, etc, they're more likely to retire. </p><p> </p><p>

On the few games where I've added women to GAMMA, I haven't had the same issues with women retiring earlier (and even less with women i had signed).</p>