Official Game Thread- Barebones 4 Mafia (The Revival November 2018)

[BlueStar]

Was thinking the same thing. I'd be happier seeing where things go and if machinesxe wants to volunteer information. Blue is basically asking "Are you a power role?"

 

I'd be a lot more open to it if the list was adjusted to what we deem common, and stuff like watcher, tracker, double vote, miller, and whatnot were added. Right now, that's a shortlist of the most important roles and one we rarely see in bigger games, really.

 

Euhm...you 2 settle it! D doesn't want the info, Arrows wants more ....

[Astil]

Certainly not a bad sentiment as such. But the larger the game, the harder it is to figure out what that should be and get enough people on the same page.

 

/nod

For example you have not voted, correct?

 

In my experience (all of which is real life, more signals to pick up on), it's worth it on day 1 if there's a hunch that's valid. But my forum experience (which is just watching the previous game) says you can run out of town way too fast. So hard to say at this point what to do, if anything.

 

Anyone voting for non-silly "stereotypical day 1" reasons?

 

My vote is a serious vote.

[BlueStar]

Overall it was kind of a pointless exercise. One could argue that a watcher or tracker are investigative roles and thus fit that description. Or the fact that I'm town aligned fits as a "townie" role. Regardless of possible other abilities.

 

Lol, I read Blues proposal and thought from a certain point of vote he was kind of doing what Machine was. Posting something ultimately pointless in the guise of contributing to the town discussion.

 

Seems to me like you didn't bother to read the link and the suggestion. Noted. While you did seem to be looking at the roles I wasn't referring to.

[Arrows]

Change Vote: machinesxe

 

*Insert something of meaning here so I don't look scummy.*

[cappyboy]

/nod

For example you have not voted, correct?

 

Correct. I haven't seen anything that makes me comfortable voting at the moment. Me voting for Crychon this early on feels petty after the last game. And I'm kind of nervous about the Machine play after what happened with Eayragt last time out. I see the value in doing something Day 1 but I always like to know why I'm casting a vote before I do it.

[Antithesis]

Yes i got a SIN vibe from the write up as well. Since I modded that game I'd take that as a compliment but also will start worrying for my life. lol

 

I always loved being an independent. Some of my best games and victories were from getting to fly solo, like in Anti's original SIN game and in Game of Thrones.

 

I remember the SIN game. For some reason I think I was scum in that one. It's hard to remember the details.

 

 

 

 

 

I think probably dealing with a 5 man scum group and an SK. Maybe an Indy survivor thrown in there for good measure. The 1:3 ratio is a good guideline but it's not textbook.

 

5:1:1 feels right for non-town roles in a game this size.

 

As to that, 2 things. In SIN (ZOMG here we go again) remember we made it a point to show every scum kill in the beginning write up. If there is more than one scum killer or potential killer it isnt shown here. BUT this is Outlaw and hes the same guy who attacked me for complaining about HALF THE PLAYER BASE IN LAKESIDE BEING NON TOWN

 

So Outlaw played SIN, (think it might have been his last mafia game here I dont know for sure) he and/or DJ might have borrowed a lil narrative flourish but he's still the same guy who thinks HALF THE PLAYERBASE BEING NON TOWN is not an issue

[Astil]

Yes i got a SIN vibe from the write up as well. Since I modded that game I'd take that as a compliment but also will start worrying for my life. lol

 

Game was still balanced though

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As to that, 2 things. In SIN (ZOMG here we go again) remember we made it a point to show every scum kill in the beginning write up. If there is more than one scum killer or potential killer it isnt shown here. BUT this is Outlaw and hes the same guy who attacked me for complaining about HALF THE PLAYER BASE IN LAKESIDE BEING NON TOWN

 

So Outlaw played SIN, (think it might have been his last mafia game here I dont know for sure) he and/or DJ might have borrowed a lil narrative flourish but he's still the same guy who thinks HALF THE PLAYERBASE BEING NON TOWN is not an issue

[Astil]

Ugh that came out gross and the joke isn't worth reformatting.

[Astil]

Correct. I haven't seen anything that makes me comfortable voting at the moment. Me voting for Crychon this early on feels petty after the last game. And I'm kind of nervous about the Machine play after what happened with Eayragt last time out. I see the value in doing something Day 1 but I always like to know why I'm casting a vote before I do it.

 

IGMEOY

[Antithesis]

Ugh that came out gross and the joke isn't worth reformatting.

 

lol

 

Not knocking you or the game. Love Lakeside, just saying standards of fairness can vary, and Outlaw has shown his to be steep at times.

[Jaded]

Skimmed through the players list, skimmed through 10 pages ... got to be honest here, he might not have read his role yet (I don't think I saw him post <> Wrestling Century for example).

 

Sorry, busy times here and the game starting took me a little by surprise. (I did post once a few hours ago, though.)

 

I should be properly present now though.

[Antithesis]

<p>My problem with the Machine vote and D1 votes in general now that I am older and wiser, is that if it is a strong claim he is spared but if he cant prove it but lives, you are back at square one day two... did he survive because Scum using him as bait or is he scum himself? Did the people who pushed for his lynch D1 waste our time on purpose or get played by folks who see the board differently.</p><p> </p><p>

That said, I dont recall him being the greatest player in the world (no offense) we can just be honest and say thats the reason, Im cool with that too.. ya know, honesty in a Mafia game. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Trying to talk our way around the real issue is just going to lead to misunderstandings.</p>

[Antithesis]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Antithesis" data-cite="Antithesis" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My problem with the Machine vote and D1 votes in general now that I am older and wiser, is that if it is a strong claim he is spared but if he cant prove it but lives, you are back at square one day two... did he survive because Scum using him as bait or is he scum himself? Did the people who pushed for his lynch D1 waste our time on purpose or get played by folks who see the board differently.<p> </p><p> That said, I dont recall him being the greatest player in the world (no offense) we can just be honest and say thats the reason, Im cool with that too.. ya know, honesty in a Mafia game. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Trying to talk our way around the real issue is just going to lead to misunderstandings.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> And to be clear, if I am going to put my near perfect non mislynch having vote down blind D1, I want it to be for an honest reason. I try to conduct myself in an orderly fashion know what I mean.</p>

[mistaken]

checking in. will catch up presently

[mistaken]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="eayragt" data-cite="eayragt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>At least at the moment I have no reason to think you're scum. Which,after last game means... more likely you ARE scum! Time to stop the joke votes and get serious.<p> </p><p> <strong>change vote: Crychon</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> classic</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Crychon" data-cite="Crychon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It might be true, it might not be! Anything is possible!<p> </p><p> Who knoooooows!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> i might?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rayelek" data-cite="Rayelek" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wow votes for lynching already? There be shenanigans afoot!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> not really, that is the way they play <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nah, it's not that.<p> </p><p> Destiny does your role PM not give away that we are without a theme?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> first part noted for truth</p><p> </p><p> second part, I know mine does not lean toward a theme</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>/nod<p> </p><p> Inactivity only helps scum in my opinion.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> erm. or outs a power player on day one, seen that one to many times too.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Eww. Maturity. Get out of here with that mess.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I am now old</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mistaken" data-cite="mistaken" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>checking in. will catch up presently</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> caught up.</p>

[theoutlaw321]

<p><strong>machinesxe</strong>-<strong>5</strong>(Astil, Destiny, Derek B, BlueStar, Arrows)</p><p>

<strong>Crychon</strong>-<strong>1</strong>(eayragt)</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>It is now DAY PHASE. With 26 players remaining, it's 14 to lynch. </strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong>

You have until 6:00PM EST (11:00PM GMT) on Friday, November 16th to reach a majority vote. If no vote has been reached at that time, a No Lynch will be declared.</strong></p><p><strong>

As always, if you see a mistake point it out.</strong></p>

[Rayelek]

Been doing some math & I think with only scum & no other killer, then we're at 7 scum. If there's an SK, then 1 SK, 5 scum. Either way, that gives us worst case scenario (meaning we lynch a townie every day), 6 days to win, which is pretty reasonable.

[Antithesis]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="theoutlaw321" data-cite="theoutlaw321" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>machinesxe</strong>-<strong>5</strong>(Astil, Destiny, Derek B, BlueStar, Arrows)<p> <strong>Crychon</strong>-<strong>1</strong>(eayragt)</p><p> </p><p> <strong>It is now DAY PHASE. With 26 players remaining, it's 14 to lynch. </strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong> You have until 6:00PM EST (11:00PM GMT) on Friday, November 16th to reach a majority vote. If no vote has been reached at that time, a No Lynch will be declared.</strong></p><p><strong> As always, if you see a mistake point it out.</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why is Crychon at -1? <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Antithesis]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Antithesis" data-cite="Antithesis" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why is Crychon at -1? <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> lol nm brain fart lol</p>

[Crychon]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Antithesis" data-cite="Antithesis" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why is Crychon at -1? <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's classified!</p>

[Leion]

This might not sit well with some but, I see pushing a lynch on someone day 1 might not just be beneficial for us long term. By trying to get information out of someone day 1, the scum group might be the group that can get the most gain out of it. Especially if they could identify power roles or the biggest threats. It just seems by setting that tone, we could lead the town to fail. Since we still don't have a concrete number how many of them are.

[Paws7297]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This might not sit well with some but, I see pushing a lynch on someone day 1 might not just be beneficial for us long term. By trying to get information out of someone day 1, the scum group might be the group that can get the most gain out of it. Especially if they could identify power roles or the biggest threats. It just seems by setting that tone, we could lead the town to fail. Since we still don't have a concrete number how many of them are.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Somewhat true. A power role cracking under pressure can be pretty bad for the town. Seen it happen too many times. </p><p> </p><p> However, most of us have played long enough to not out themselves day one</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Reasons why I try to refrain from casting votes on newbies. </p><p> Except for when I'm red, then I attack the weakest players on day one hoping I'll find some kill options.</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Paws7297" data-cite="Paws7297" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Somewhat true. A power role cracking under pressure can be pretty bad for the town. Seen it happen too many times. <p> </p><p> However, most of us have played long enough to not out themselves day one</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Reasons why I try to refrain from casting votes on newbies. </p><p> Except for when I'm red, then I attack the weakest players on day one hoping I'll find some kill options.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I feel like I'd go straight for the new players in real life games, for sure. Couldn't bring myself to do it on forums, where games take weeks sometimes. Same thing with the mutual agreement to not kill new players night one that everyone seemed to have.</p><p> </p><p> Would hurt the player base.</p>

[Leion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Paws7297" data-cite="Paws7297" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Somewhat true. A power role cracking under pressure can be pretty bad for the town. Seen it happen too many times. <p> </p><p> However, most of us have played long enough to not out themselves day one</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Reasons why I try to refrain from casting votes on newbies. </p><p> Except for when I'm red, then I attack the weakest players on day one hoping I'll find some kill options.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with you that most of you played for a long time. But that can also work the other way around though. Making any scum group quite more formidable, an example was last game. Seeing a great player lead us to victory was a sight to see. Judging from what I saw. The players here might be more inclined to take out the most talkative of players. But you can take my opinion with a grain of salt. Since I only have 1 and a half worth of game experience under my belt.</p>

[Leion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I feel like I'd go straight for the new players in real life games, for sure. Couldn't bring myself to do it on forums, where games take weeks sometimes. Same thing with the mutual agreement to not kill new players night one that everyone seemed to have.<p> </p><p> Would hurt the player base.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> An interesting perspective. In my case, it would have definitely hurt my chances in joining this game if that happened to me last time.</p>