HiPlus Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 <p>So glossing over all of that... </p><p> </p><p> I am not sure how the testers get release patches and whether they have the attributes that have been announced thus far. But for those testing the game, how do you feel the narratives are with the flow of the game. Because like with the current game the narratives at times I ignore because well I don't see or notice the effects. Which I think the attributes help deal with, but for the testers has it changed how you treat characters. e.g. Does it change how you perceive the characters?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="HiPlus" data-cite="HiPlus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But for those testing the game, how do you feel ...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> NB The testers aren't allowed to answer questions or comment publicly about the game due to the non-disclosure agreements that they sign when they join the team.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiPlus Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>NB The testers aren't allowed to answer questions or comment publicly about the game due to the non-disclosure agreements that they sign when they join the team.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> While that makes sense it makes my topic change a hard pivot. What feature aside from the attributes is everyone most looking forward to?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCJR4LIFE Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm just going to draw a line right here.... you're wrong, you've been shown to be wrong and you refuse to listen to what anyone else is saying despite clearly explaining mechanics and why you're wrong.<p> </p><p> So at this point, the discussion is over and if it is continued I will consider it to be deliberate baiting, trolling or deliberately attempting to spread misinformtion about the games since it's been explained how the game mechanics of both TEW16 and TEW20 take into account the very sitations you say they can't.</p><p> </p><p> Feel free to complain to me about this via PM, but be aware that continuing this discussion will lead to warning and the potential removal of posting privileges. If this seems harsh, it's because it's happened many times before and I don't want to see this behavious continuing in future.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Translation “I didnt prove you wrong at all, did not back up anything I said with evidence but because I’m a mod I will take away your posting privileges for disagreeing with me or providing negative feedback about the new game”</p><p> </p><p> Your “evidence” was baseless conjecture regarding non like for like real life scenarios, which I disputed and then the response to my dispute was (you are trolling and I’m going to ban you) the second evidence was a suggestion that throughly misunderstands the popularity mechanics of TEW, at least to date, by suggesting that people gain way more overness than <strong>is easily verifiable by actually playing the game</strong> . No you do not not gain 3 overness per TV show. This is empirically incorrect and saying otherwise from a position of “authority” does not make it so.</p><p> </p><p> Yes, very interesting. I do appreciate your on brand support for long time paying customers.</p><p> </p><p> I guess the benefit of being a small independent is you can just censor people when they provide constructive criticism.</p><p> </p><p> Protip: Since you’ve actually PMd me before about the horrible acts of arguing civiliy on an internet forrum(the horror!) have you considered the logical response which is to simply stop insisting you are right and trying to get the last word in, especially when you directly responded to someone who was not attempting to argue with someone, nor provided a sufficient argument in the first place.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> As a note, you’ve also gone into my DMs and told me I was trolling because I disliked the current product and was flamed by a group of people who stooged to the mods about me for the horrible crime of saying that the modern wrestlers are too small and lack promo skills. I know having an opinion that is common among the legion of lapsed fans but is deplorable to the Internet forum goers is again, a horrible, heinous act, but I’m starting to see a pattern here, and it’s not involving me. </p><p> In fairness, I used a swear word in one of the posts which is against the rules, and deserves a warning for that, however I did not appreciate being called a troll for having a non popular opinion.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I treat people respectfully, don’t insult people and yet at multiple times harassed by you in particular because I disagree with people. I simply have no patience for this.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 <p>TLCJR4LIFE has now been banned due to the number of complaints he's racked up over the past year, so please don't bother engaging with him further.</p><p> </p><p> Let's get this thread back on track now.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatIsraeliGuy Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 <p>I really wanna avoid keeping this discussion but I simply can't, it took far too long to ban this dude, while at the other hand the mod squad members were banned in less than a week due to a knee jerk reaction.</p><p> I just wanted to put this out there.</p><p> </p><p> Regardless, I was wondering if there's any release date for the demo? Maybe I've missed it but whatever.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenborn Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="HiPlus" data-cite="HiPlus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What feature aside from the attributes is everyone most looking forward to?</div></blockquote>Among the *many* new and improved features I'm excited about, I'm most jazzed by the report that the AI is booking shows closer to real human booking. Any steps in that direction are greatly appreciated -- I want to feel like I'm up against a computer opponent with a plausible understanding of wrestling storytelling.<p> </p><p> Part of that is breaking past the restrictions of TEW 2016: improved matchmaking, ending sometimes on an angle instead of a match, using tag teams and stables more realistically, etc. But I'm also hopeful for better uses of setup and payoff, especially when booking sports entertainment. </p><p> </p><p> My understanding is the AI apparently won't be able to think beyond a single show (it can't, for example, have a heel stable beat down a babyface champ on one show to set up a main event match on the next show), but I remain hopeful we'll see some of that thinking within the confines of a single show.</p><p> </p><p> Ideally, when one tag member turns against another, or when a stable adds a new member to their ranks, it'll feel purposeful and supported by some element of story logic -- not just a random roll of the dice. </p><p> </p><p> Of course, I don't know what's readily code-able and what would be exorbitantly difficult to create, but just the fact that TEW 2020 is being designed with an eye for producing AI show results that more closely resemble human booking has me excited to give it a try.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DatIsraeliGuy" data-cite="DatIsraeliGuy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> Regardless, I was wondering if there's any release date for the demo? Maybe I've missed it but whatever.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I have not seen anything about a demo released yet -- so I think we're all still waiting to hear!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DatIsraeliGuy" data-cite="DatIsraeliGuy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I really wanna avoid keeping this discussion but I simply can't, it took far too long to ban this dude, while at the other hand the mod squad members were banned in less than a week due to a knee jerk reaction.<p> I just wanted to put this out there.</p><p> </p><p> Regardless, I was wondering if there's any release date for the demo? Maybe I've missed it but whatever.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I dont want to continue this either but feel morally obligated to second this. Thankful we wont be seeing his blatant troll posts anymore. He didn't even seem like he was a fan of any of the games. </p><p> </p><p> The release date for the demo has not been given to my knowledge.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwalker Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I’d like to check if TEW 2020 have an advanced tournament system, instead of an imaginary tournament, the tournament is pre adjusted to winner of match 1 vs winner of match 2 instead of scripting matches for bookers that prefers not to use predetermined winner road agent notes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Nightwalker" data-cite="Nightwalker" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I’d like to check if TEW 2020 have an advanced tournament system, instead of an imaginary tournament, the tournament is pre adjusted to winner of match 1 vs winner of match 2 instead of scripting matches for bookers that prefers not to use predetermined winner road agent notes?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Tournaments were announced early in the deveopers journal, and advance based on results of matches so you could just leave them without winners and the game will advance the tournament appropiately. You'll still need to book the next matches of course, which you can do with the On The Fly booking feature too, so you can do whole one night tournaments like that if you want.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peria Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Correct me if I'm wrong but outside of moving the database to 2020... the game seems pretty much finished? It seems by April 2020 the game will have been complete for a little bit. I know nothing about the game development and how far it is going along though, so basically read my post as: Why isn't it April 2020 yet?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a0161613 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I've suspected for a while that there will be a demo bout shortly after Christmas.... More out of hope rather than knowledge. I don't even know if previous releases have had demos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peria Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I've suspected for a while that there will be a demo bout shortly after Christmas.... More out of hope rather than knowledge. I don't even know if previous releases have had demos. They did and still do! Or at least TEW2016 still should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomosensual Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Saw the part about dead companies in the new entry. Fingers crossed that TCW isn't one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Correct me if I'm wrong but outside of moving the database to 2020... the game seems pretty much finished? It seems by April 2020 the game will have been complete for a little bit. I know nothing about the game development and how far it is going along though, so basically read my post as: Why isn't it April 2020 yet?! Well... Somewhere Adam mentioned that it takes at least a full month to create a the new CVerse from all of the notes he has. So if he's starting that work now, let's say it takes all of November to write and by December he has the database in a form that his testing team can begin to play with it. I imagine there is a lot of work that comes in to testing the database. Are contract numbers correct? How is the new hiring system working? The new location system. Simple stuff like spelling errors or missing move sets or things that we the player probably don't think of needing to be in there and tested. You go from there to needing to continue to fine tune all of the features so they work with the new database. Fine tuning the finances so that they work the way they need to work. Plus, Adam's mentioned in a few developer's journals about university -- so I imagine that also has some impact on the the timeline. Term papers (or whatever end of term stuff is required) etc... BUT I don't really know game development timeline other than what I've read in trade magazines and in interviews with other game developers. So I could be way wrong and way off too. I want it to be April 2020 too! The anticipation is great within me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I've suspected for a while that there will be a demo bout shortly after Christmas.... More out of hope rather than knowledge. I don't even know if previous releases have had demos. If I recall correctly, each version has had a demo that came out about a month before the commercial release and allowed you to play a month of game time in a save (though you had unlimited saves) and full access to the database editor. It allowed mod-makers to get a jump on getting mods started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricSpade Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I've suspected for a while that there will be a demo bout shortly after Christmas.... More out of hope rather than knowledge. I don't even know if previous releases have had demos. This would be awesome, but I don't expect we will get out hands on even a demo of the game until at least a month before it's release. Waiting for release is tough, because the more information that kept coming out about TEW2020 has pretty much made TEW2016 less and less playable for me. I'd be overjoyed to even just get the editor for 2020 at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunGBD Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Saw the part about dead companies in the new entry. Fingers crossed that TCW isn't one of them Me too Tcw! Tcw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Casey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Previous trials/demos have been released 1-2 weeks before the full game, from memory. Not to say that can’t change, but it would be a big move to release something so far in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 <p>It takes a couple of months at least to do the Cornellverse, plus a bunch of testing to make sure all the numbers are working to a good level which is at least another couple of months.</p><p> </p><p> There is usually a public beta/demo for 1 or 2 weeks before the game's full release so even on the most optimistic of timescales and with a really short testing period that is looking at March for the demo. April remains the most likely time for release in order to make sure the game is shipping in the best possible shape and with a dataset that has been tested (the Cornellverse has many different scenarios to test within it) to make sure everything adds up the way it should, and by a team of testers who are then able to give the community a lot of support when the game releases too. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gholliday87 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 <p>Is there an ability to set someones deposition to tweener?</p><p> </p><p> Obviously, the ability for a performer to play close to the line on either side would be brilliant</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="gholliday87" data-cite="gholliday87" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Is there an ability to set someones deposition to tweener?<p> </p><p> Obviously, the ability for a performer to play close to the line on either side would be brilliant</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Adam has finished announcing the new features and that wasn't one of them.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Pretty sure Adam has said that tweeners aren't in TEW as they don't really exist in wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poputt Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I mean "tweeners" when described to me are typically normal babyfaces with edgy gimmicks. And I've never heard anyone in the actual real life business use the term so why should the game, you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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