General Gameplay Questions Thread

[The Nickman]

Not Rated but on-screen is kiiind of gamey, IMO.

 

Unless you're literally stood in the background doing literally nothing. Just window-dressing. Like extras as diners in the background of a restaurant scene in a movie. In which case, I'd argue you shouldn't be in the angle booking at all, or at the very least should be booked as a cameo, and therefore immune to gaining anything from it.

 

Not Rated, off-screen means you're mentioned but not actually an important part of anything (like if you're talked about in someone's promo, but you don't actually appear and the promo isn't "about" you (otherwise you'd be rated on overness). "I saw your match with Irrelevant Guy last night, Person-I'm-Feuding-With, and what you did was uncalled for". Irrelevant Guy is off-screen and not rated on anything.

 

If you're front and centre, on screen, featured in the angle, you should be rated on SOMETHING, even if you're not doing much. Sex appeal, star quality, menace, overness, SOMETHING. Otherwise why are you even there? What is the point of you?

 

Just my two cents. Nothing 'wrong' with it.

Choosing between being off-screen and rated on Overness or Not-Rated is probably the biggest thing I struggle between being gamey or not. For me, if you’re talking about someone off screen, they really should be rated on Overness but you can really tank a good Austin or Rock promo unless the guy they’re talking about is really over.

 

So in my own head canon, when I don’t rate them I assume the guy cutting the promo is really just talking about themselves.

[Bonafide_Bluffa]

Choosing between being off-screen and rated on Overness or Not-Rated is probably the biggest thing I struggle between being gamey or not. For me, if you’re talking about someone off screen, they really should be rated on Overness but you can really tank a good Austin or Rock promo unless the guy they’re talking about is really over.

 

So in my own head canon, when I don’t rate them I assume the guy cutting the promo is really just talking about themselves.

 

see my issue with this line of thinking is, for example, when rock did that short one month program with billy gunn (a midcarder) the promo he cut was still an A* promo. the quality of the segment didn’t suffer just because he was talking about someone lower on the card. promo in question:

[Remianen]

Not Rated but on-screen is kiiind of gamey, IMO.

 

Unless you're literally stood in the background doing literally nothing. Just window-dressing. Like extras as diners in the background of a restaurant scene in a movie. In which case, I'd argue you shouldn't be in the angle booking at all, or at the very least should be booked as a cameo, and therefore immune to gaining anything from it.

 

That's a good point. Someone just asked me about this post and used a very similar and familiar example:

 

In "that scene" in "When Harry Met Sally" (PG forum, not sure if I should link it), other than "I'll have what she's having", what would the other diners be rated on? Their reactions and facial expressions undoubtedly added to the atmosphere of the scene but no one cared who they were. Would that be a cameo appearance? Or would the 'I'll have what she's having' woman be the cameo and everyone else (besides Harry and Sally) be not rated? Oddly enough, he's actually booking something like this in his USPW save (Mick Muscles as Harry and Melody as Sally). Might have to dig through some older films to find similar fodder for storylines.

[chinoflynn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bonafide_Bluffa" data-cite="Bonafide_Bluffa" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47568" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>see my issue with this line of thinking is, for example, when rock did that short one month program with billy gunn (a midcarder) the promo he cut was still an A* promo. the quality of the segment didn’t suffer just because he was talking about someone lower on the card. promo in question: <div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/1sn-HpbaLeM?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="The Rock Has A Message For Billy Gunn"></iframe></div></div></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This and the post your replying to really demonstrate the difference in game mechanics and life. </p><p> </p><p> In game said rock promo would tank because of gunns pop. In real life, like you said, it is an A* promo. The game doesn’t get “it” I have another example of this.</p><p> </p><p> I was using Abyss as my monster champion. In a segment I planned booked and executed, I had him lose the match in a DQ fashion ( he just didn’t stop the beating after ref warnings ) but be dominate, protected and still look like the monster he is.</p><p> </p><p> In game that caused a lot of tension, he argued, not wanting to lose in any fashion. I still went through with the segment and he soon quit. Now in real life I believe he could be convinced that this loss will get you more over as a heel monster and dominate. </p><p> </p><p> It’s funny the little things are what make up the game debates</p>

[D-Lyrium]

That's a good point. Someone just asked me about this post and used a very similar and familiar example:

 

In "that scene" in "When Harry Met Sally" (PG forum, not sure if I should link it), other than "I'll have what she's having", what would the other diners be rated on? Their reactions and facial expressions undoubtedly added to the atmosphere of the scene but no one cared who they were. Would that be a cameo appearance? Or would the 'I'll have what she's having' woman be the cameo and everyone else (besides Harry and Sally) be not rated? Oddly enough, he's actually booking something like this in his USPW save (Mick Muscles as Harry and Melody as Sally). Might have to dig through some older films to find similar fodder for storylines.

 

For me, Harry and Sally are obviously rated on Entertainment.

"I'll have what she's having" woman gets a cameo rated on acting.

Maybe - maaayyyybe - the three or four other people who get closeups get a cameo rated on acting too, but personally I wouldn't even include them. But absolutely nobody else gets booked in the angle at all, rated or otherwise.

 

Do they add anything to the scene? Yeah, a bit of context I guess. But you could literally put any warm body who's spent a day at drama school in front of the camera and it would have the exact same impact. The particular actor/actress doesn't add anything to the scene, only the fact that they're there.

 

To continue the film analogy, the guideline I use is something like this:

 

If this is a movie, and the part would be credited as something along the lines of "guy with clipboard #3" or "girl talking to friend in background", they don't get in the angle booking at all.

 

If the character is at least named (and the name is known to the audience outside of the credits sequence itself), and has a reason to be in the scene other than window dressing, but isn't really doing much (recurring character drops off some files to main character's desk, recurring character makes sarcastic comment about speed of service at the bar main character is drinking at), they do get in the angle but probably only as a cameo.

 

If the character has actual meaningful lines spoken to, or about, the main characters in the scene or significant non-verbal interaction with them (accidentally spills coffee, brief staredown in doorway as main character enters whilst minor character is leaving), then they get rated on something passive.

 

If they ARE a main character in the scene, or have a significant amount of interaction with one (reporter/interviewer asking questions, police officer reading arrest rights thingy, forget the name) they get rated on something active appropriate to what they're doing.

 

 

With respect to "extreme hangers-on" like Virgil in nWo stable promos, I'd probably have them on screen, not rated. Because the whole point of them being out there is to remind everyone that they're part of the stable, so it makes sense in that context to have them potentially gaining popularity by association without doing anything. Rating them on overness seems unnecessary because literally nobody would miss them if they weren't on screen. In fact, the only reason they ARE on screen is BECAUSE people would forget they were in the stable if they didn't constantly prove it. So in those circumstances it seems fine to me. But obviously an important stable member like Scott Hall, even in the rare instance that he doesn't have anything to say in the promo, should be rated on Overness if nothing else, because he IS a big deal.

[Remianen]

<p>Well, just got owned by a filthy casual. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> (Sorry, inside joke)</p><p> </p><p>

You make all the sense in the world. The way he did it was</p><p> </p><p>

Mick & Melody - Entertainment</p><p>

Belle Bryden - Acting (not cameo)</p><p>

Regular Joe, Morgan Malone, Jack Jackson, Funky Fedora, Turk Trenneman - Onscreen, Not rated ["I'm paying these guys so I need to use them at some point!"]</p><p> </p><p>

I see your point about if you could replace people with any other person in the world and it not make a lick of difference, they probably shouldn't be in the angle. They're about as relevant as the potted plant in the corner (not Mitch!).</p>

[Suplewich]

Can someone help me pick a product? I run a Japan company, but have a lot of freestyle angles. A lot. I usually have introduction and then stuff like post match brawl, promo, etc. However, I also have a lot of 95*+ matches. Can I get some help trying to find the best product possible for my company with also favorable sponsors? Right now I have Fast and Furious, but if there are anything that could be better, please let me know. Especially since it's giving me a lot of problems with angles. It's either too short or too long. Even when I put the angle at 5 minutes, it says it's too short, so then I put it to 6 minutes and now it says it's too long. It's an issue and is the main reason why I want to change product. Also I really want to use the Young Lions system.

[awesomenessofme1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Suplewich" data-cite="Suplewich" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47568" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can someone help me pick a product? I run a Japan company, but have a lot of freestyle angles. A lot. I usually have introduction and then stuff like post match brawl, promo, etc. However, I also have a lot of 95*+ matches. Can I get some help trying to find the best product possible for my company with also favorable sponsors? Right now I have Fast and Furious, but if there are anything that could be better, please let me know. Especially since it's giving me a lot of problems with angles. It's either too short or too long. Even when I put the angle at 5 minutes, it says it's too short, so then I put it to 6 minutes and now it says it's too long. It's an issue and is the main reason why I want to change product. Also I really want to use the Young Lions system.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Is the note you get when setting the angle to 5 minutes a road agent note or a dirt sheet note? There's something in the handbook saying matches 5 minutes or less are capped at an 88 rating (I think that's a bit unfair when so many products are capped at 5 minutes, I actually submitted a suggestion related to it), so it's probably not an actual penalty.</p><p> </p><p> If you want more <em>total</em> angle time, Guerrilla Warfare is very similar to F&F, but with more angle time and more tolerance of comedy.</p><p> </p><p> Young Lion system is independent of product, it's just a switch you can flip.</p>

[Suplewich]

Is the note you get when setting the angle to 5 minutes a road agent note or a dirt sheet note? There's something in the handbook saying matches 5 minutes or less are capped at an 88 rating (I think that's a bit unfair when so many products are capped at 5 minutes, I actually submitted a suggestion related to it), so it's probably not an actual penalty.

 

If you want more total angle time, Guerrilla Warfare is very similar to F&F, but with more angle time and more tolerance of comedy.

 

Young Lion system is independent of product, it's just a switch you can flip.

 

Guerilla Warfare seems very interesting. I think I will go for that. You know if it actually pure wrestling over entertainement even a bit or is it totally equal?

[awesomenessofme1]

Guerilla Warfare seems very interesting. I think I will go for that. You know if it actually pure wrestling over entertainement even a bit or is it totally equal?

 

Depends on what you mean by that. In the ring, it's the same popularity/performance (heavily weighted to performance) split as Fast And Furious. And out of the ring, it's still majority matches, just less so. 85% for events and 60% for TV vs F&F's 90% for events and 75% for TV. Like I said, the products are almost identical. I think there are only three difference: GW has a higher angle percentage, more tolerance for comedy, and the vocal crowd modifier.

[The Nickman]

see my issue with this line of thinking is, for example, when rock did that short one month program with billy gunn (a midcarder) the promo he cut was still an A* promo. the quality of the segment didn’t suffer just because he was talking about someone lower on the card. promo in question:

To be fair though, Billy Gunn was at the “peak of his powers” when this promo happened, he’d just won King of the Ring (which is why he was in a singles programme with The Great One in the first place!), he was coming out of a VERY hot run in DX, the company was ABSOLUTELY pushing him...

 

In any previous iteration of TEW, Billy Gunn in 1998/99 is an Upper Midcarder, so in TEW2020 I’d wager he’d be a Star with hot momentum when this promo hits.

 

I’d reckon Rock would STILL hit an A* promo on TEW2020 under those conditions rating Billy Gunn on Overness. It certainly would in TEW2016.

[D-Lyrium]

To be fair though, Billy Gunn was at the “peak of his powers” when this promo happened, he’d just won King of the Ring (which is why he was in a singles programme with The Great One in the first place!), he was coming out of a VERY hot run in DX, the company was ABSOLUTELY pushing him...

 

In any previous iteration of TEW, Billy Gunn in 1998/99 is an Upper Midcarder, so in TEW2020 I’d wager he’d be a Star with hot momentum when this promo hits.

 

I’d reckon Rock would STILL hit an A* promo on TEW2020 under those conditions rating Billy Gunn on Overness. It certainly would in TEW2016.

 

Ooh, I had a whole thing about this, but I was too tired to post it.

 

I think my points basically were:

 

- OP is clearly referring to the "Prayer" promo. You can tell, because it's the only memorable thing in that whole feud. I looked into it a little, and there was a run-of-the-mill pre-match promo with Garciaparra (who was more over than Billy Gunn although granted few people were more over than Garciaparra in Boston in August 1999...) where the promo lasted longer than the match, and there was that one promo about The Rock's ass (C+ at absolute best). And there was the Prayer promo.

 

- It lasted four minutes.

 

- A quarter of the promo was talking about Triple H, not Billy Gunn.

 

- There's already a mechanic in the game for really epic one-off promos that just catch fire. You can't force them to happen, so you can't force an equivalent rating, but they do happen.

 

- As you rightly say, a guy like The Rock cutting a promo on a Well Known (I'd argue about Star, even then. Maybe you're right, but... eh) guy with great momentum (like Gunn would've had at that brief moment in time, until Rock buried him) is going to do pretty well regardless. Not withstanding the fact that if you truly want to emulate that promo properly, you'd have Triple H rated on overness too.

 

To test this, I had Nicky Champion (with the high 90s Charisma, Mic and Acting skills Rock would have, popularity left alone at 91) cut a promo on the closest thing I could find to Billy Gunn - DC Rayne turned heel (a little lacking in momentum, and popularity to be honest at this particular point in history, but a bland, boring, average wrestler).

 

Added three angles:

A control angle where Champion taunts Frehley (our Triple H stand-in).

A "by the book" angle where Champion taunts Frehley AND Rayne.

A "proving a point" angle where Champion only taunts Rayne.

 

Expecting the control to be a distance above the other two (as it should be, they're in a really hot storyline, two of the most over workers in the company, Champion's boosted entertainments skills...), but I don't expect Rayne to trag down the Frehley promo that much. The one with ONLY Rayne in it might be more of an issue, but should still do well.

 

Champion, Frehley, Rayne: 84, 79 (poor improv), 82, 81. Avg 81.5

Champion, Rayne: 80, 81, 78, 77. Avg 79.

Champion, Frehley: 85, 83, 80, 85 (palm of his hand), Avg 83.25.

 

So adding Rayne - who as I said is probably less over and definitely has a bit less momentum than Gunn did when the "real" promo happened, doesn't really detract too much from the rating. Bearing in mind this is a 4 minute promo, so has to deal with being short. And this is in the PG product where angles can't go long, which is likely why we're not seeing 90s anywhere.

 

Adding Rayne to the Frehley promo lost on average 2.5pts. Although, granted, one of those was because of a hilariously unlikely (given the sample size and Champ's entertainment skills) penalty for working without a script. If we call that an 83 instead it's a massive 3 point difference...

 

Not including Frehley at all sees a bigger drop (obviously...) but only an extra point on average compared to the one with both. Also we need to factor in the fact that Champion and Rayne aren't in a storyline here, Champion's storyline is with Frehley (as Rock's, arguably, was with Triple H. Gunn was just an annoyance to him). So here we're not only removing the overness boost from Frehley, but also storyline heat boost.

 

So you can definitely still get good ratings with promos that include midcarders if the guy delivering the promo is as good as The Rock is. Maybe he'll never hit the A* rating that The Prayer promo has in our minds, but in a four minute promo he'd struggle to do that anyway in TEW.

 

Plus, the whole Billy Gunn storyline was terribly booked, why are we trying to emulate it?

 

Some other notes about this "test":

- USPW's product ain't great for getting good storyline ratings anyway. You can get good ones, but rarely great ones in my (limited) experience.

- A longer angle, if allowed by the product, would probably generate a bigger difference between a the control angle and the one without Frehley in it.

 

I might run the test again later with SWF, just to see.

[Malangor]

What is the Main Event Header Mode?

I didnt find anything about it.

[D-Lyrium]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Malangor" data-cite="Malangor" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47568" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What is the Main Event Header Mode?<p> I didnt find anything about it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It determines whether the main event is displayed at the top or the bottom in show results.</p><p> </p><p> With Header Mode on, the main event is displayed at the top and the card goes down in order from there.</p><p> </p><p> With it turned off, the top match of a card results screen is the opener, and it goes down from there until the main event at the bottom.</p>

[PushBlackout]

500 internal server issue

 

hi i am getting an error when i try to purchase it says 500 internal server issue any ideas thanks in advance

[xphen0m]

Any tips on booking a classic sports entertainment company? I know it depends on the mod being used, but I consistently get horrid rated shows using WWE in any mod.

[WalterSobchak]

I can't find where to manage my own broadcaster...did it move?

[awesomenessofme1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="WalterSobchak" data-cite="WalterSobchak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47568" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can't find where to manage my own broadcaster...did it move?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's a little unintuitive, but you have to go to "Upgrade Your Own Broadcaster" under Investments.</p>

[The Nickman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="xphen0m" data-cite="xphen0m" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47568" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Any tips on booking a classic sports entertainment company? I know it depends on the mod being used, but I consistently get horrid rated shows using WWE in any mod.</div></blockquote><p> What product are you booking? There’s plenty of different “sports entertainment” products in the game and they’re all distinctly different</p><p> </p><p> Let me know the product and I’ll let you know how to book a good show</p><p> </p><p> (Also, what’s your match and angle focus?)</p>

[xphen0m]

What product are you booking? There’s plenty of different “sports entertainment” products in the game and they’re all distinctly different

 

Let me know the product and I’ll let you know how to book a good show

 

(Also, what’s your match and angle focus?)

 

Here's my screen:

 

 

[twill1]

When I do angles it says "lack of anything interesting happening". What does that mean and how do I fix it?

[Bonafide_Bluffa]

When I do angles it says "lack of anything interesting happening". What does that mean and how do I fix it?

 

it means your angle is only rated on overness/star quality/sex appeal/menace. these basically mean that they're just standing around doing nothing. rate them on fighting for attack angles instead.

[UEWpro]

The right side of my merchandise screen is always blank. I'm not able to see who was or is my biggest merchandise seller.

 

I'm a level 4 in merchandise. 2 months ago I sold just under 400k and last month I sold a little less than 200k. So I would like to see why the dramatic drop off.

[LloydCross]

Is there any way to create a new entry in any of the things from the In-Game editor? Specifically I'd like to create an Era, but it really doesn't seem like you can add a new anything.

[blairtb14]

3265 runtime error

 

I've run into this error, can't find the proper forum for bugs. Just purchased TEW 2020, where should I post this