[FULL RELEASE] 2020: Before The Fall

[shamelessposer]

This is looking really, really strong for a 1.1 release. Still, noticed a couple of things that I'm pretty sure are typos and one stat thing I'm going to complain about.

 

1.) Bar Wrestling is listed as "Bar Wresling."

 

2.) Eva Marie is listed as "Eva Maire."

 

3.) Nyla Rose is 28 in your mod when every record I can find suggests she's ten years older than that.

 

4.) Kenny Omega's Star Quality seems a little low to me, maybe? I'd at least get him into the low seventies.

[Woodsmeister]

Hey, i just want to pick your brains on Psychology, wrestlers like Andrade have 85+ psychology is this because they have had a 5 star match or higher?

 

Doesnt tend to happen in the Cornellverse (North America) Not nit picking I just want to understand your thinking

 

Plus i like your indepth analysis of stuff so was hoping for something to read later

[Rick Savant]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shamelessposer" data-cite="shamelessposer" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="53467" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is looking really, really strong for a 1.1 release. Still, noticed a couple of things that I'm pretty sure are typos and one stat thing I'm going to complain about.<p> </p><p> 1.) Bar Wrestling is listed as "Bar Wresling."</p><p> </p><p> 2.) Eva Marie is listed as "Eva Maire."</p><p> </p><p> 3.) Nyla Rose is 28 in your mod when every record I can find suggests she's ten years older than that. </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> These are fantastic catches. Emphatically, thank you. All changed for the next release.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shamelessposer" data-cite="shamelessposer" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="53467" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>4.) Kenny Omega's Star Quality seems a little low to me, maybe? I'd at least get him into the low seventies. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is hard, but I also knew it was inevitable that I'd have to talk about it. And, to be clear, Kenny Omega seems like a really nice guy, so I'm not looking to try and tear him down. But there is a disconnect between what I see, and have seen dating back to 2008, and what people who like Kenny see in him as a performer. And Star Quality is absolutely one of the areas that that disconnect manifests.</p><p> </p><p> Honestly, I feel a bit bad putting this here, in response to your post, which was, in my eyes, a very respectful, and entirely reasonable suggestion that a skill on a worker be increased by three, or four points. This is not something you should feel punished for, and I don't want you to endure a diatribe about a wrestler you like, for doing it.</p><p> </p><p> But someone else is going to eventually bring it up, because people who like Kenny Omega, tend to <em>really</em> like Kenny Omega, so it is absolutely destined that my build of him will bother people. And I feel the best way to deal with that is to be right up front and clear: <strong>If you're a fan of Kenny Omega, you may want to take a look at him in the editor, and make some changes for your personal game.</strong> Because his skills are intentional, they represent how I see the worker, and he might be the worker who was agonized over and tinkered with more than anyone else in the game. <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Woodsmeister" data-cite="Woodsmeister" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="53467" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey, i just want to pick your brains on Psychology, wrestlers like Andrade have 85+ psychology is this because they have had a 5 star match or higher?<p> </p><p> Doesnt tend to happen in the Cornellverse (North America) Not nit picking I just want to understand your thinking <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Plus i like your indepth analysis of stuff so was hoping for something to read later <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well that last question was a little awkward (and I hope I wasn't too casually insulting). Thank you for bringing me back into my comfort zone!</p><p> </p><p> Ok, here's the distribution of Psychology amongst active, male wrestlers in the CV, and in Before The Fall:</p><p> </p><p> <img alt="i4qejXt.jpeg" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/i4qejXt.jpeg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> In raw numbers, there are 36 workers at the start of the default database with 85 Psychology or better, which works out to around 2.5% of the worker pool. Whereas there are 93 workers who have 85+ psychology, or about 4.0% of BTF's active males. So, you're absolutely right that top end psychology is more readily available in the mod than in the default database. </p><p> </p><p> I think that ~1.5% increase is defensible, but maybe a little outside of what is ideal. Upon review, I will do an upper end psychology nerf to targeted workers. Bring that down to 3.0-3.25% of the database, and get more guys down to the 60s from the 70s. <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> As for the CV in regards to North America, of the 36 workers who start with 85+ Psy in the CVerse, 20 are from North America (7 from Mexico, 11 from America, and 2 from Canada). So, that's the majority of the top end at game start.</p><p> </p><p> I will defend Andrade being in that 3%, even after I start handing out nerfs, as he's been main eventing (successfully) for over ten years. His hair match with Atlantis is beloved, his NXT main events were very, very good. I actually think of him as a guy who is better with match time and a spotlight than he is in a 10 minute spot fest.</p><p> </p><p> But yeah, glad you brought my attention to the psychology distribution. There's definitely room for improvement there, and that will be reflected in 1.2!</p>

[Rick Savant]

1.2 is released! Check the changelog on the first post for the changes.

 

This one took a little bit of time because I reworked two skills for active men. I tightened up the high and low end psychology, inspired by a question on the forums, which will make exceptionally high psy more rare, and exceptionally poor psychology more common. You can see the difference in distribution here:

 

 

And I did a total rework on active men's experience. I think I had just missed it entirely. You can see what a mess it was, and what it is now compared to the CV here:

 

 

There are also some new pics, and I'll put them in a separate folder so you don't have to dl the whole shebang again if you already have it.

 

Additional Pics 2

[TheCed]

Why does Trish Stratus have 84 popularity? Why is CM Punk in the 90s popularity? This way it'd prevent AEW from hiring him because of their size.

[Rick Savant]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TheCed" data-cite="TheCed" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="53467" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why does Trish Stratus have 84 popularity? </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Trish Stratus having 84 popularity is an oversight, there's going to be a few non-active wrestlers who didn't get looked at as closely, and inherited whatever they were set at in Landxx's mod. I can def take a look at that for 1.3.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TheCed" data-cite="TheCed" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="53467" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why is CM Punk in the 90s popularity? This way it'd prevent AEW from hiring him because of their size.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> CM Punk's popularity is a reflection of reality. Based on the reception at Rampage, and the swiftness of the sellout, I feel pretty strongly about this. </p><p> </p><p> It is true that AEW cannot sign Punk at the start of the game, but that too is a reflection of reality. Punk was TK's "<a href="https://www.sescoops.com/2019/04/cm-punk-was-reportedly-tony-khans-first-pick-for-new-promotion/" rel="external nofollow">first pick</a>" to build the promotion around and it didn't happen because Punk said no. He said no for very TEW reasons. <a href="https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/08/cm-punk-on-his-original-talks-with-tony-khan-and-why-he-didnt-sign-with-aew/" rel="external nofollow">He couldn't trust that AEW would actually turn into something that would pay him</a>, or another way of putting it would be, he didn't think they were big time.</p><p> </p><p> Punk shouldn't sign with AEW at the start of the game because, in reality, Punk was unconvinced of AEW's chances in March of 2020. The good news is that Punk starts the game on hiatus for 70 weeks. This means, if you're AEW, you have 70 weeks to hit Big in time to sign Punk when her re-enters the world of wrestling. I view that as both in line with how things played out, and an in-built goal for AEW players.</p><p> </p><p> But in looking at this, I realize that my first attempt to simulate the Punk situation had simmering tension between him and TK, representing their failed negotiations. With the benefit of hindsight, it doesn't seem there was really all that much tension there, just business differences, and the tension seems like an unnecessary barrier to hiring Punk, so it will be removed for 1.3.</p><p> </p><p> Obvs if any of this doesn't appeal to you for your play style, I encourage you to up AEW's pop or lower Punk's in the editor of your personal game. And if I find that it's way too hard to hit big in a year an a half then I'll make changes. But if I recall from my sims, it should be doable.</p>

[Dalton]

Just want to chime in on the Punk discussion. According to Punk himself, he and TK talked for over a year and a half about signing, and this mod falls within that timeframe. Still, I'd keep Punk's pop the same as is, and anyone who wants to edit his pop can.

 

Also, fantastic job here my friend. Stellar work.

[Rick Savant]

Just want to chime in on the Punk discussion. According to Punk himself, he and TK talked for over a year and a half about signing, and this mod falls within that timeframe. Still, I'd keep Punk's pop the same as is, and anyone who wants to edit his pop can.

 

Also, fantastic job here my friend. Stellar work.

 

Good info! And thank you!

 

One could make the argument that if it wasn't for the pandemic Punk would have debuted earlier, and, if one did, I think they'd be in a pretty strong position. But, of course we'll never know.

 

Meanwhile, a lot of the things he says in the interview are similar to what I pointed to before:

 

"I’ve been talking to Tony for probably a year and a half about this. Some girls are easy to get into bed and I am not, I need to be wined and dined. And that’s not an, ‘Oh, I need more money and less dates’ and need ‘that’. It was literally just talking to Tony and getting to know him,”

 

This would imply that he wasn't just about to sign when March rolled around, to me.

 

he’s “been in the game for a few minutes” so he’s seen a lot of promoters pop up and make promises before folding

 

This points to reliability, and to me that implies size, playing a factor.

 

But yeah! To me this is a question of his hiatus maybe ending sooner, not his pop lowering, but exactly when would be pretty arbitrary.

[Rick Savant]

Mod is now updated to 1.3! Biggest patch since the full release. While all feds are playable, the following promotions are all cleaned up nice for human eyes: WWE, NXT, AEW, NJPW, Impact, ROH, NWA.

 

Changelog on the main page.

 

Here's the new pics in case you already have the pic pack.

[Chikbot]

Hey, so you may want to go through the entire database, a lot of people are missing their pics upon start up with your pic pack.

[Mavenous]

Giving this mod a try as I stopped watching wrestling after WM 2020 and I'm currently catching up on AEW so it seems like the perfect modern mod to use, few notes so far nothing major will post more if I see any.

 

 

A lot of the Mic & Charisma stats seem quite low on the AEW end and some surprisingly high in both AEW & WWE but they are atleast somewhat consistent, some that stuck out plus other notes are:

 

Add good or great chemistry for IInspiration/IIconics as a team (didn't see them in the chemistry section although could've missed it)

Haven't seen his current run as AEW Champion but Kenny Omega's Charisma & especially Microphone skills seem low (Bryce Remsburg has essentially the same Mic skills)

Jake Hager's Mic & Charisma seem a little low, they seem like what he would have as Jack Swagger and I think he improved a lot since joining AEW

PAC's Charisma seems low, I think he oozes Charisma especially as a heel

Jon Moxley's Microphone & Charisma seem too high (has more Charisma than Punk?)

Brandi Rhodes' Microphone seems way too high I'm guessing because she was a ring announcer but can you even emulate that in-game? if not I would significantly lower

Young Bucks Microphone seem too low comparing them to WWE's roster (Uso's stood out but you can pick out a lot of the roster)

Asuka's Charisma & Microphone seem way too high

Dana Brooke's Microphone seems too high

Kairi Sane's Microphone & Charisma seem way too high

Natalya Neidhart's Microphone seems too high

Ronda Rousey's Microphone seems way too high

Seth Rollins' Charisma & Microphone could do with a small boost

Shinsuke Nakamura's Charisma & Microphone seem too high

The Undertaker's Charisma & Microphone seem way too low

Give Tag Experience to Jurassic Express II, III, Omega & Page, The OC II & III

This one is the most personal preference of all but maybe make AJ Lee not out of the business n give her the same hiatus as Punk but still retired and maybe an injury history? I'll do it myself anyway but seems unfair for the people who maybe rush to start the mod and don't have the chance to use her because of it.

[Rick Savant]

Hey, so you may want to go through the entire database, a lot of people are missing their pics upon start up with your pic pack.

 

Shoot, must have been an issue with the newest upload. There should definitely not be more than 10, obscure, necessary (owner/ref/etc), characters without a pic. I'll be home in a couple hours and re-upload it.

 

I'll give a line by line response to Mavenous at that time as well

[Rick Savant]

Hey, so you may want to go through the entire database, a lot of people are missing their pics upon start up with your pic pack.

 

OK got home and took a look. My memory was wrong in that there should only be one character without a pic in the entire database. I just downloaded the pic pack, looked, and the newest pics are there, so they should all be there. Maybe re-DL the pic pack? If you continue to have the problem let me know, and I'll help you troubleshoot it.

 

 

Giving this mod a try as I stopped watching wrestling after WM 2020 and I'm currently catching up on AEW so it seems like the perfect modern mod to use, few notes so far nothing major will post more if I see any.

 

Thanks! That's rad! So a lot of this is subjective, so where we disagree I totally encourage you to make changes for your personal game, but I'll give you my reasoning, and where its an oversight (turns out there's a lot of workers in the world) I'll totally make changes for the next edition.

 

Add good or great chemistry for IInspiration/IIconics as a team (didn't see them in the chemistry section although could've missed it)

 

So, chemistry is supposed to be for when two people perform better than you would expect based on the sum of the parts. I used to watch Jesse McKay in Shimmer and she was great. Totally over, very fun. She was an even worse wrestler back then, but infinitely more enjoyable to watch. Given how lackluster the WWE run was, I can't justify saying that her team with Peyton benefited from any kind of chemistry. But they have known each other a looong time, and I think that shows in how they work together, so that's represented in their experience score.

 

Haven't seen his current run as AEW Champion but Kenny Omega's Charisma & especially Microphone skills seem low (Bryce Remsburg has essentially the same Mic skills)

 

I have to admit I've never heard Bryce Remsburg talk, so lowering his mic seems reasonable. You can expect that for the next edition.

 

As for Omega, I mean, you should check out his AEW work. Truth is his charisma is probably high, given that he'd be the in the bottom half of charismatic people at any party I've gone to in the past ten to fifteen years. Charisma is subjective, of course, and there are people that are charmed by awkward weebs who speak as though reading from a script with no punctuation. But for the most part, Omega got over because he's an explosive athlete, with fantastic conditioning, and puts a tremendous amount of thought into his matches. But his Steve Urkel quotes aren't his strong suit.

 

Jake Hager's Mic & Charisma seem a little low, they seem like what he would have as Jack Swagger and I think he improved a lot since joining AEW

 

I have seen exactly one promo from him in all his time in AEW that would justify a ten to fifteen point bump in mic, and that was pretty recent. If he shows me some more improvement, then I would be open to increasing his mic potential. But the mic work he was doing around the time of stadium stampede is reflected in the database.

 

PAC's Charisma seems low, I think he oozes Charisma especially as a heel

 

I see where you're coming from on this, but honestly I think pushing 60 is pretty good score. He has the charisma to be top player in Impact or DG, but if he was going back and forth with Moxley he'd be outclassed. At least that's where I see him.

 

Jon Moxley's Microphone & Charisma seem too high (has more Charisma than Punk?)

 

Moxley is pretty comparable to Punk in this regard. I think Punk in 2015 would have a 7-8 point bump in charisma, and then this comparison wouldn't bother you as much. But in 2020, Punk (while still an elite charismatic figure) has chilled out a bit, where-as Moxley is in the conversation for best promo guy in the business, and for best facials/body language, so yeah, edging Punk is totally reasonable to me.

 

Brandi Rhodes' Microphone seems way too high I'm guessing because she was a ring announcer but can you even emulate that in-game? if not I would significantly lower

 

Nope, not based on her ring announcing experience, its because she's a fantastic public speaker. You can check out her promo work here. Now, as far as charisma goes, that's her big downfall in the promo department, and given the reasoning I gave on PAC above, there's a strong case for bumping her down a notch, and I'll do that for the next edition.

 

Young Bucks Microphone seem too low comparing them to WWE's roster (Uso's stood out but you can pick out a lot of the roster)

 

I dunno. I've sat through a lot of Young Bucks promos in the the last two years and I just don't see what you're seeing. Don't get me wrong, this Bucks heel run is fan-****ing-tastic. But its almost all physical stuff that makes it work, their mic skills are pedestrian. They'd be serviceable on the mic in MLW or ROH, but on a national stage they don't quite cut it, and that's what their in-game skill represents.

 

Asuka's Charisma & Microphone seem way too high

 

So there's two possibilities here, the first is that we are talking about different Asukas, and the second is that you are thinking that her limited english should hamper her mic score. If it's the second one, then her limited english is represented in the languages section, and I don't believe should be double accounted for. Especially since that would make her promos in Japanese non-awesome which would then fail to reflect reality. I think her Charisma is self apparent, but this is subjective.

 

Dana Brooke's Microphone seems too high

 

Can't argue there. Fixed!

 

Kairi Sane's Microphone & Charisma seem way too high

 

While I think a lot of what I said about Asuka can be applied here, I do agree that her mic skill is still a bit high. I've nerfed it for the next edition!

 

Natalya Neidhart's Microphone seems too high

 

Natalya seems like a pretty damn good speaker to me. There' no spark to her promos mind you, but that's reflected in her charisma.

 

Ronda Rousey's Microphone seems way too high

 

I just rewatched a Ronda promo, cause maybe wrestling promos and MMA promos are more different that I was initially thinking, but she's pretty great. Maybe not as polished as a main event WWE speaker, so I could see knocking her down to the high 70s for 1.4.

 

Seth Rollins' Charisma & Microphone could do with a small boost

 

If anything, I'd say the opposite is true, so this is clearly a subjective one as well.

 

Shinsuke Nakamura's Charisma & Microphone seem too high

 

This is the one we're farthest apart on. I suspect the Asuka language issue is at play here as well. But Nakamura is widely regarded as the most charismatic performer of his generation, so that's how he's represented in the mod.

 

The Undertaker's Charisma & Microphone seem way too low

 

There's a quiet charisma to the Undertaker, so I would stop short of saying it should be lowered, but I definitely wouldn't make him any better in a promo setting.

 

Give Tag Experience to Jurassic Express II, III, Omega & Page, The OC II & III

 

Great catches! Done and thank you!

 

This one is the most personal preference of all but maybe make AJ Lee not out of the business n give her the same hiatus as Punk but still retired and maybe an injury history? I'll do it myself anyway but seems unfair for the people who maybe rush to start the mod and don't have the chance to use her because of it.

 

I mean, if she returns to the business I will definitely make the change. But as of right now, it looks like she's gone for good.

 

It sucks, and I might even make the change you suggested for my personal game! But the base mod should reflect reality as best it can, and it appears she's left us.

[Mavenous]

Appreciate the in-depth and probably unnecessary line-by-line response to my suggestions, there's nothing that's big enough to be put off other than a lot of AEW's non-WWE stars seem lacking in the promo department (Omega & Bucks mainly) even when comparing them to mid-card WWE talent, even though I agree they are mainly known for their wrestling more than anything else, the highly successful Being the Elite show should be enough to show they aren't just about being great in the ring, if anything I'm intrigued at the challenge of an AEW save, in terms of the Charisma of foreigners, I've just noticed Pentagon Jr's Charisma & Microphone seem quite high too based on my previous list but that's mainly because I've never really seen a mod rate foreigners so highly in the Microphone/Charisma department, although if making them struggle with English lowers the potential score for promos significantly then it's not as much of an issue, Charisma is a tough one to pin down but I always assumed the main use for it in game was for the insanely talented Microphone users who went above and beyond and didn't need a script and would therefore be able to easily get 80/90 segments for mic work rated on Charisma/Entertainment (Punk, Rock, Austin, Heyman etc), no idea how much the game actually takes in to account the kind of Charisma I was attributing to PAC.

Seeing the likes of Kairi Sane have around 50 more Microphone than Jake Hager and 35-40 more than Omega seemed absurd to me but I'll have to test how much not speaking English hampers the potential rating for segments as I have not seen Kairi/Asuka/Nakamura/Pentagon etc cut promos in their language other than a handful of poorly written WWE ones that were to me no where near 80's.

Is there a timetable on 1.4 as I don't wanna start up a save and put a lot of time in to it for an update to come out shortly after, thanks in advance.

[Mavenous]

AEW Women's & Tag Team titles are missing one title defence each from Revolution

AEW Product seems incorrect, it penalises Deathmatch, Comedy etc

Colt Cabana has 0 Colour

Dasha Gonzales Microphone seems way too high

Orange Cassidy's in-ring stats seem absurdly high (better than Pentagon Jr?)

iN DEMAND expect a minimum quality of 89 per PPV which seems like an absurd expectation to try to consistently meet

ITV4 require a company to be in the British Isles or Europe which AEW is not and are Low risk when AEW use deathmatches on TV

[Rick Savant]

Appreciate the in-depth and probably unnecessary line-by-line response to my suggestions,

 

That's ok, I like talking about wrestling. And I like giving my opinions on things, and this seems to be the perfect nexus of those two hobbies.

 

there's nothing that's big enough to be put off other than a lot of AEW's non-WWE stars seem lacking in the promo department (Omega & Bucks mainly) even when comparing them to mid-card WWE talent, even though I agree they are mainly known for their wrestling more than anything else, the highly successful Being the Elite show should be enough to show they aren't just about being great in the ring,

 

And I expect this to be a common sticking point with the mod. I am very down on Kenny and The Bucks promo work, where-as people who like Kenny Omega tend to really like Kenny Omega, for whatever reason. I feel like the solution is just being very up front about how I see the workers, and then people who see them differently can use the editor or in-game editor to change things to their liking.

 

Things like likability and communication skills can be highly subjective, case in point: I would use Being The Elite as an example of why comedy should be left to professional comedians, and as a bolstering of my point as to where Kenny and The Bucks stand from an entertainment skills perspective. But you clearly get something positive from the experience of the show, so there isn't an absolute value on its goodness.

 

I would say, though, that "highly successful" feels a little bit like overplaying your hand. Regardless of whether I like it or not, if BTE was giving the wwe youtube page, or even a youtube particular phenomenon like The Vlog Brothers or Polygon, a run for their money in subscriptions, well ok... but as it is, even with TV to promote their existence, they fall well short of those kinds of numbers.

 

if anything I'm intrigued at the challenge of an AEW save, in terms of the Charisma of foreigners, I've just noticed Pentagon Jr's Charisma & Microphone seem quite high too based on my previous list but that's mainly because I've never really seen a mod rate foreigners so highly in the Microphone/Charisma department, although if making them struggle with English lowers the potential score for promos significantly then it's not as much of an issue,

 

Sweet! Keep me abreast of how that plays out, if you want!

 

And there's a chance that after more testing, Auska et al have their english reduced from Passable to Basic if the penalties don't seem stiff enough. But if someone wants to play NJPW and they bring in Nakamura, it would be absurd if he only cut "ok" promos.

 

To me Penta is an elite level charismatic performer, as evidenced as him being more over than Fenix despite Fenix, being the single biggest thing to come out of Lucha Underground, being the most successful lucadore on American soil since Rey Mysterio, and being awesome.

 

Charisma is a tough one to pin down but I always assumed the main use for it in game was for the insanely talented Microphone users who went above and beyond and didn't need a script and would therefore be able to easily get 80/90 segments for mic work rated on Charisma/Entertainment (Punk, Rock, Austin, Heyman etc), no idea how much the game actually takes in to account the kind of Charisma I was attributing to PAC.

 

I'll quote from the Player's handbook because I have no further insight than what it says (TEW is kinda mysterious in some ways), Charisma "could be described as [the worker's] ability to connect with the crowd without verbal interaction." ... "Considered quite an important skill because of how widely it is employed".

 

So, I would take from that that it is absolutely meant to represent the type of charisma that PAC has, bundled in with the sort of intangibles that make some people attractive. A mix of emotiveness and magnetism.

 

I think we see the same thing in PAC, I just see it at one tier down, which is still a pretty good place to be.

 

Seeing the likes of Kairi Sane have around 50 more Microphone than Jake Hager and 35-40 more than Omega seemed absurd to me but I'll have to test how much not speaking English hampers the potential rating for segments as I have not seen Kairi/Asuka/Nakamura/Pentagon etc cut promos in their language other than a handful of poorly written WWE ones that were to me no where near 80's.

 

And don't forget, while I do think there is a conceptual difference in our starting approaches with regards to foreign language speakers, it is also possible that we have different assessments of talent beyond that. As is evidenced by the amusing idea that someone could be so bad at promo work that their being better than Kenny Omega is absurd. And if there is just a difference in assessment you may want to use the editor.

 

Is there a timetable on 1.4 as I don't wanna start up a save and put a lot of time in to it for an update to come out shortly after, thanks in advance.

 

I'm in the midst of starting a big multiplayer game, so that's taking a little time. It depends how long it takes me to fix the BIG CATCH you made below. Pretty much gotta go through every fed to check out how their broadcasters interact. Could be done later today, could take days. Sigh.

 

AEW Women's & Tag Team titles are missing one title defence each from Revolution

AEW Product seems incorrect, it penalises Deathmatch, Comedy etc

Colt Cabana has 0 Colour

Dasha Gonzales Microphone seems way too high

Orange Cassidy's in-ring stats seem absurdly high (better than Pentagon Jr?)

iN DEMAND expect a minimum quality of 89 per PPV which seems like an absurd expectation to try to consistently meet

ITV4 require a company to be in the British Isles or Europe which AEW is not and are Low risk when AEW use deathmatches on TV

 

-Good catch! Fixed!

-There's a big discussion on this earlier in the thread. AEW product is by design.

-Nice catch! Fixed!

-That's fair, nerfed!

-He's worse than Penta at technical skill, but his aerial is better, which is what I see when I watch the two of them. They're fairly comparable workers in that they use a charismatic schtick to eat up time in their matches and then broadly stick to shorter, somewhat sensational bursts. And in the case of Penta, he is in the early downside of his career, and mostly highlights his brother in tag matches. Please don't confuse this with me saying Penta is bad in the ring. 68 Bra, 74 tec is very good in ring stats.

-There's a bunch of broadcaster issues you just pointed out the rabbit hole to, Thank you so much, this is a huge catch I'll be working on this immediately.

[Rick Savant]

<p>1.4 is up! I reworked the broadcasters and tweaked some promotions, so now every promotion will start meeting the requirements of the broadcasters they already have deals with. There is an exception though, for promotions that are airing on another promotions website or network, seems like nothing can be done about that.</p><p> </p><p>

I've also added a new link for the pick pack. <strong>There should be only one character in the game without a pic</strong>, so if you have multiple pics missing, grab that pic pack to replace it. One new pic included, if you have a working pic pack already you can find it here:</p><p> </p><p>

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[Bucky Sinister]

Just wanted to drop you a note of appreciation for this mod. The stats seem very solid to me, barring some tweaks I mostly chalk up to differences of opinion. But it plays well, and I like it quite a bit.

[Rick Savant]

Just wanted to drop you a note of appreciation for this mod. The stats seem very solid to me, barring some tweaks I mostly chalk up to differences of opinion. But it plays well, and I like it quite a bit.

 

Thanks! I really appreciate your saying that. I did a lot (lot) of ten year sims to make sure the world was stable. And way more research on Japanese and Australian media companies that I ever thought I'd do.

[Chikbot]

Redownloading both the mod and pic pack fixed my problem.

I think what I did wrong was assume the pics weren't set to the .gif format so I went in to the editor to fix a problem that didn't need to be fixed haha.

 

Thanks for helping though.

 

Also as a suggestion, Make Rickey Shane Page the leader of 44OH! and Gregory Iron should be set as the Fodder for GCW, they're also more of a Faction/Gang than an Alliance

[Rick Savant]

Redownloading both the mod and pic pack fixed my problem.

I think what I did wrong was assume the pics weren't set to the .gif format so I went in to the editor to fix a problem that didn't need to be fixed haha.

 

Thanks for helping though.

 

Also as a suggestion, Make Rickey Shane Page the leader of 44OH! and Gregory Iron should be set as the Fodder for GCW, they're also more of a Faction/Gang than an Alliance

 

That's great!

 

Thanks for the heads up on the GCW guys I'm not super familiar with GCW, so anything you notice about it that's off, just toss it my way!

 

I'll want to make more changes to the mod before I put up 1.5, but in case you're playing GCW, here's some pics for it that will be in the next pack:

 

[Chikbot]

That's great!

 

Thanks for the heads up on the GCW guys I'm not super familiar with GCW, so anything you notice about it that's off, just toss it my way!

 

Cool, I'm also going to suggest GCW being "integrated" when it comes to Women's Wrestling, as even though Allie Kat is the only woman on the roster, she frequently wrestles intergender matches and while there's some distaste for her online, the GCW fans pretty much have accepted her as "one of the boys" and it really shouldn't be a debuff to have her wrestle nor any other woman you want to hire onto the roster. I understand that from a gamey perspective that may cause GCW to add more women. But it really doesn't make sense for matches to get debuffed when the fans actually like her.

[Rick Savant]

Cool, I'm also going to suggest GCW being "integrated" when it comes to Women's Wrestling, as even though Allie Kat is the only woman on the roster, she frequently wrestles intergender matches and while there's some distaste for her online, the GCW fans pretty much have accepted her as "one of the boys" and it really shouldn't be a debuff to have her wrestle nor any other woman you want to hire onto the roster. I understand that from a gamey perspective that may cause GCW to add more women. But it really doesn't make sense for matches to get debuffed when the fans actually like her.

 

That's interesting, I'll play around with some sims, see what the best setup to simulate that is.

[Rick Savant]

1.5 is out! Mostly focused on fixing up GCW, but also added some new workers and the UFC people who show up in 2021. You can find it on the initial post.

 

If anyone tried to DL it recently and were unable, sorry about that, that's my fault. Kinda messed up the links while switching over to 1.5, should be good to go now!

 

And by now, I mean... now. If you get a critical error when you try to start the mod, just re-download it. Its fixed now!

[GooverDan]

There's a couple of errors in the new update:

 

- Jimmy Lloyd, G-Raver and Matthew Justice has clashing attributes regarding crazy bumps.

- Junior Dos Santos has a wrestling role, but is not listed as a wrestler.