ampulator Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm uncomfortable with MMA guys intersecting with Pro Wrestling promotions. It tends to bring up all sorts of "one is fake, one is real" comparisons, and I think the last thing you need in wrestling is to say 'this is fake'. I'm okay with Basketball players coming in, or football players, or even Boxers, because those are very different sports to what wrestling pretends to be, and so can comfortably exist side-by-side. MMA is just too similar, with the only difference being that wrestling is a highly stylized, fictional sport.<p> </p><p> That isn't to say there aren't a lot of guys in MMA who would make great pro-wrestlers. Stennick mentioned some. You could certainly give a guy MMA influenced aesthetics (outfit, moves etc) but to me, if you're bringing in a 'star', and want to draw with his pre-existing star power, you have to talk about where he came from. You have to explain what MMA is. In the context of pro-wrestling, I have no idea how I'd do that.</p><p> </p><p> If I were running a wrestling promotion, I would love to have Chael Sonnen. I think Chael is one of the greatest men alive. He is awesome... but I have no idea how I'd book him without compromising my own product. </p><p> </p><p> On the subject of Roy Nelson... I dig him, but I can't see him having any shot in WWE. With his physique, WWE is the LAST place I'd expect to see him. He struggles to be taken seriously in UFC looking like that, and there he can at least back it up. In Vince's world of bodybuilders, I'd be stunned to see him.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I disagree. You want to know why? Vince loves freak shows. Roy Nelson looks like a freak show. That belly rub thing that would tickle Vince's funny bone so bad.</p><p> </p><p> As for Kurt Angle and Ken Shamrock. They are truly unique. Kurt, for his part, didn't look like he belonged at the WWE at the time. Remember, WWE was Attitude. Kurt was hardly Attitude. Kurt was an All-American American, Jack Swagger before there was a Jack Swagger, clean cut, legitimate athlete. If there was a guy I thought that wouldn't fit, it would be him. If the NWA still existed, it would be seem like a better place for him. But he magically learned how to show charisma and talk on a mic. He has almost no training in that area. He went from typical babyface, to a cheating, lying, arrogant, egotistical heel. That's not easy to do. </p><p> </p><p> They did push Ken Shamrock as a legitimate athlete in the beginning, but it was when they did the "OMG, he's crazy!!!" is when he really took off. He had this insane charisma. That's why Dan Severn didn't work out as well, who actually had more pro-wrestling experience at the time. Shamrock was just able to tap into WWE's Attitude crowd better.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 I'm surprised my Shad and Gallows. Both guys had good size and I thought Gallows was very solid on the mic as a part of the SES and Shad always seemed more comfortable showing his personality than JTG. I 100% agree, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them back at some point... I really don't know about "the look" being about being big anymore in the WWE... at least not with the guys they seem more interested in pushing. In my opinion it's hard to believe Miz or Morrison could actually beat either of those two, for example. I hope I'm wrong, but to me it looks like the WWE's roster keeps getting smaller and smaller in size, meaning in the "look" category. Anyone over 6'6" would look almost Giant sized right about now, outside of the obvious in Taker/Kane/Show. I'm afraid "The Look" is changing, or starting to change, or just downright has and no one has thought about that at all. Not that I think it's a good thing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Sheamus already being a world champ would tend to work against this premise, though. It's still far, far easier to push a big guy as a credible threat. Luke Gallows is really the only surprising big man release. He actually reminds me of a young Glenn Jacobs in that he has decent skills and charisma but doesn't immediately have that look that screams "future champ." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sheamus already being a world champ would tend to work against this premise, though. It's still far, far easier to push a big guy as a credible threat. Luke Gallows is really the only surprising big man release. He actually reminds me of a young Glenn Jacobs in that he has decent skills and charisma but doesn't immediately have that look that screams "future champ."</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I liked Luke, but where on earth was this charisma?</p><p> </p><p> He was just generic big man bully to me....</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I liked Luke, but where on earth was this charisma?<p> </p><p> He was just generic big man bully to me....</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wouldn't call it 'charisma' but I thought he was pretty solid on the microphone. Good voice. Seemed comfortable.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMcFly Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Is it just me, or has this Edge / Kane match for tonight turned into a heel / heel match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Fenoli Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 <p>Who are some celebrities/athletes that are known/assumed/rumored fans of wrestling, that'd make interesting/good wrestlers/personalties?</p><p> </p><p> (particularly athletes; I'm making a mod to add on to other mods, for fun.)</p><p> </p><p> IE:</p><p> King Mo Lawal</p><p> Michael Clark Duncan</p><p> Rampage</p><p> Shawne Merriman</p><p> Shaquille O'Neal</p><p> Mike Tyson</p><p> Snoop Dogg</p><p> ICP</p><p> Eminem</p><p> Ashton Kutcher</p><p> Mikey Rourke</p><p> DeAngelo Williams</p><p> Adam Sandler</p><p> Regis Philbin</p><p> Donald Trump</p><p> Kevin Smith</p><p> Lebron James</p><p> Rasheed Wallace</p><p> Marlon Wayans</p><p> Bill Clinton</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 I just realized Edge is a 9 time world champion. He won his first world title under 4 years ago...that seems like a lot. I kind of hope Kane retains tonight. I might give an attempt at watching Survivor Series at some point this week, but I dunno yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakerNGN74 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 The current plan is to have Kane hold the title until May at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanada Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 So the card has convinced me to order Survivor Series... Kaval and Danielson matches have me hooked (Bryan is curtain jerking) + Natalya hopefully winning and the Cena fallout is all interesting to me. I'm praying Barrett wins the belt cheap, then turns, smiles, and hands the belt to Cena as garbage flies into the ring and kids cry.... I can dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Fenoli Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 So the card has convinced me to order Survivor Series... Kaval and Danielson matches have me hooked (Bryan is curtain jerking) + Natalya hopefully winning and the Cena fallout is all interesting to me. I'm praying Barrett wins the belt cheap, then turns, smiles, and hands the belt to Cena as garbage flies into the ring and kids cry.... I can dream. I would cyber high five you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanada Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Bryan/Dibiase was okay. Not as good as his stuff vs. The Miz or Ziggler, but still good. I can only wonder who is next for Bryan. I hope maybe they do a Mentor/Protoge program with Bryan/Regal. But anyway.... The Miz is how cutting a promo. The chance of him cashing in tonight is also a good possibility. Would be cool if maybe he cashed it in on Kane, SD could use the influx of star power. Edge/Mysterio/Undertaker vs. The Miz would all be fresh matches so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaySo Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 ^not sure if that can happen since both Raw and SmackDown had MITB. I would assume the Raw MITB winner can only cash it on the Raw main event champion, and SD winner on SD main event champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Fenoli Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Striker's baseball history knowledge not on par with his wrestling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Celt Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Miami...SUCKS...as a crowd Edit: But they come alive for the Big Show? The hell??? Edit X2: Cody Rhodes is gold tonight Edit X3: I marked out for the whole Diva's section Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Miami...SUCKS...as a crowd Edit: But they come alive for the Big Show? The hell??? ~Well...it's the BIG SHOW!~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanada Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I agree with Miami being a terrible crowd. So far have cheered for MVP and Big Show now... thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Celt Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Edge/Kane for Trash of the Night Edit: I'd personally murder this crowd if it wasn't already dead. Damnit Miami you'd didn't deserve this PPV at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Two Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Edge/Kane for Trash of the Night What exactly happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Fenoli Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 to reiterate... this crowd literally put me to sleep for a minute... it's like white noise...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Fenoli Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Wow.... worst PPV of the year, complete with epic failure of ending......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabataged Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Wow.... worst PPV of the year, complete with epic failure of ending......... agree 1000% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Celt Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 -10/10 Minus Five Stars Fire Wwe Creative, Every Single One Of Them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Fenoli Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 -10/10 Minus Five Stars Fire Wwe Creative, Every Single One Of Them Seriously if this was TEW, that show would have struggled to get a C- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Two Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Not watching it myself - What was the finish to Barrett - Orton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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