The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[b0shey]

So, just to clarify, John Cena was "Fired" for a grand total of 3 weeks and appeared on TV every single one of them.

Well, that was a worthwhile and meaningful angle.

 

This was the most pointless "your fired" angle in history , but hey its all about the kids RIGHT?

[Condors]

Again...it's mainly that I think it's unfair that he gets brought up as a 'legend' of the territory era when there were so many more talented and more deserving workers.

 

...if Col DeBeers had ended up calling Raw for the last decade would we be talking about how he's a legend too?

 

Col DeBeers is a legend :twirls stache in heroic pose:

[djthefunkchris]

This was the most pointless "your fired" angle in history , but hey its all about the kids RIGHT?

Hmm, I see consistancy in your posts, lol.

total bullcrap, how could Cena win the Holy **** awards

Evan Bourne RKO was the true OMG moment of the year.

LOL, ok. Honestly though, I think it was more like the best move Orton and Bourne did all year... Not sure if I would say it outdid putting Batista through the floor from up high though. Not that I think That was the one either, I would have to think about it.. but definately don't think the RKO should have won it.

Come On.... Michelle McTaker Diva of the year ........ BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

OMG.... Cena won superstar of the year... what a complete shock

LayCool has been probably the hottest act in the diva's division all year, and largely because of McCool. So maybe we just don't see it that way? I'm curious on who you would pick though.... Beth Phoenix?

 

And who would win Superstar of the year. Punk? Jericho (I wouldn't have minded), Orton? I don't know, the biggest part of the year seemed to be centered around Cena and the Nexus. So I guess Cena would have got my vote there. Close call with Orton though, he's been pretty hot. Of course, an upset with the Miz would have been cool as well. Overall though, I don't have a problem with thier picks, at least the one's you've pointed out.

 

That's not a bad point. He's like Jeff Jarrett in that sense. The fact he killed off his own territory is what bugged me most about Lawler though.

 

 

 

Totally true. But Sullivan's 'cult leader' deal and the 'hardcore' feuds Gilbert created were really innovative imo. Sullivan - along with guys like Billy Graham and Adrian Street - were ahead of their time in taking wrestling from being a carny thing to being live-action drama.

I like the comparison of Jeff Jarrett and Lawler, that's pretty good IMO. I like both of them alot more now then I did when they were in their prime.

 

But come on... Adrian Street is like the perfect Carny Character, lol.

I've always believed Lawler was at least good in the ring... but most of that came from his feud with Bret Hart in WWF. Most of my opinion on him quite frankly comes from things I've heard, rather than things I've seen, most notably the whole Andy Kaufman thing.

 

I missed out on most of the Memphis stuff during the 80s, and only saw a little of the USWA whenever it came to pass, but surprisingly I can't seem to remember anything about it.

 

Lawler doesn't seem to pop up all that often on WWE Classics On Demand either.

 

So maybe his legend is mostly hype.

 

Just my insignificant contribution to the conversation.

Lawler is by far better in his current position (as a commentator), then he ever was in the ring, IMO. NOW, dont' get me wrong... There are things you look back at on it, kind of like attack of the killer tomatoes, and have a fun laugh (Andy Kaufman). But now and then everyone has these "Cult" type classic moments. Just... Memphis in general was on TV only because there was NO OTHER competition in that territory. At least that's my opinion.

Again...it's mainly that I think it's unfair that he gets brought up as a 'legend' of the territory era when there were so many more talented and more deserving workers.

 

...if Col DeBeers had ended up calling Raw for the last decade would we be talking about how he's a legend too?

If he can be as charasmatic... That's one thing Lawler has proven to have, charisma. I don't think everyone could have done that, but I think anyone could have been hyped as the "great legend" if pumped by the WWE they way he is.

Probably right. WHich is sad. Which is why i get on here and harass poor JNL when he posts how great Lawler is...the fans who remember first hand have an obligation to tell younger fans the truth and not 'the truth as the WWE tells it.'

 

We try, but sometimes you refuse to listen to us.

[juggaloninjalee]

Hmm, I see consistancy in your posts, lol.

 

LOL, ok. Honestly though, I think it was more like the best move Orton and Bourne did all year... Not sure if I would say it outdid putting Batista through the floor from up high though. Not that I think That was the one either, I would have to think about it.. but definately don't think the RKO should have won it.

 

LayCool has been probably the hottest act in the diva's division all year, and largely because of McCool. So maybe we just don't see it that way? I'm curious on who you would pick though.... Beth Phoenix?

 

And who would win Superstar of the year. Punk? Jericho (I wouldn't have minded), Orton? I don't know, the biggest part of the year seemed to be centered around Cena and the Nexus. So I guess Cena would have got my vote there. Close call with Orton though, he's been pretty hot. Of course, an upset with the Miz would have been cool as well. Overall though, I don't have a problem with thier picks, at least the one's you've pointed out.

 

 

I like the comparison of Jeff Jarrett and Lawler, that's pretty good IMO. I like both of them alot more now then I did when they were in their prime.

 

But come on... Adrian Street is like the perfect Carny Character, lol.

 

Lawler is by far better in his current position (as a commentator), then he ever was in the ring, IMO. NOW, dont' get me wrong... There are things you look back at on it, kind of like attack of the killer tomatoes, and have a fun laugh (Andy Kaufman). But now and then everyone has these "Cult" type classic moments. Just... Memphis in general was on TV only because there was NO OTHER competition in that territory. At least that's my opinion.

 

If he can be as charasmatic... That's one thing Lawler has proven to have, charisma. I don't think everyone could have done that, but I think anyone could have been hyped as the "great legend" if pumped by the WWE they way he is.

 

 

We try, but sometimes you refuse to listen to us.

 

I've seen Lawler wrestle a few different people in the last 20 years. He hasn't been terrible. He knows how to work a match and is old now. Still watchable matches I think.

 

Maybe I am wrong on him being good in the territory days. I admitted that I hadn't seen a lot. I know most of his 150 reigns weren't all from his own promotion though too. So others at the time saw something in him to put a strap on him.

[PeterHilton]

I've seen Lawler wrestle a few different people in the last 20 years. He hasn't been terrible. He knows how to work a match and is old now. Still watchable matches I think.

 

Maybe I am wrong on him being good in the territory days. I admitted that I hadn't seen a lot. I know most of his 150 reigns weren't all from his own promotion though too. So others at the time saw something in him to put a strap on him.

 

 

Promoters back then would exchange favors. Lawler ran a promotion. So it was easy for him to go to a territory and get a big push and maybe a title run in exchange for giving one of their workers similar treatment.

 

Also..the fact that he ran a promotion meant he ALWAYS had some name value, which of course meant he'd be somewhat of a name even when he traveled. Sort of self-fulfilling hype.

[ThriceP86]

Off topic of Lawler, just wanted to comment that CM Punk getting the "Despicable Me" Award was awesome even though the crowd didn't know whether to boo or cheer him, or so it seemed.

[Slagaholic]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Promoters back then would exchange favors. Lawler ran a promotion. So it was easy for him to go to a territory and get a big push and maybe a title run in exchange for giving one of their workers similar treatment.</p><p> </p><p> Also..the fact that he ran a promotion meant he ALWAYS had some name value, which of course meant he'd be somewhat of a name even when he traveled. Sort of self-fulfilling hype.</p></div></blockquote><p> Dick The Devastator is annoyed by your statements.</p>

[Hitman23]

Does anyone remember the Christmas Monster that Lawlar booked one time as a big monster Heel?

[Wrestling Century]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hitman23" data-cite="Hitman23" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Does anyone remember the Christmas Monster that Lawlar booked one time as a big monster Heel?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You mean the time that Kane debuted in the Memphis territory under the name of the Christmas Monster? I personally haven't seen any footage of it, but I've heard of that angle.</p>

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wrestling Century" data-cite="Wrestling Century" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You mean the time that Kane debuted in the Memphis territory under the name of the Christmas Monster? I personally haven't seen any footage of it, but I've heard of that angle.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Found it: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8NR9TMpOX4&feature=related" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8NR9TMpOX4&feature=related</a></p>

[Candyman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="b0shey" data-cite="b0shey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This was the most pointless "your fired" angle in history <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />, but hey its all about the kids RIGHT?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Pointless if you mean that it advanced the story, made people watch Raw every week, and entertained people along the way...I'm not sure how this angle was any more pointless than anything else the WWE (or any other wrestling company/TV show/entertainment venue) does, to be honest...like I've said all along, the only mistake the WWE made here was having Cena give such an emotional, seemingly heart felt, good bye the night after he was fired. That now seems very hallow and insincere, which is bad for a face...but take away that speech, and this storyline's been more or less flawless so far.</p>

[Hyde Hill]

Does anyone remember the Christmas Monster that Lawlar booked one time as a big monster Heel?

 

Yeah wrestlecrap often highlights it under the weird world of wrestling tab. There is some other Memphis Lawler "goodness" under that same tab now.

[Hive]

Sure, that Christmas Monster thing was a horrible gimmick... but in Lawler's defense, I've seen both WWF and WCW do worse (like the Mantaur and the Yeti).

[PeterHilton]

Pointless if you mean that it advanced the story, made people watch Raw every week, and entertained people along the way...I'm not sure how this angle was any more pointless than anything else the WWE (or any other wrestling company/TV show/entertainment venue) does, to be honest...like I've said all along, the only mistake the WWE made here was having Cena give such an emotional, seemingly heart felt, good bye the night after he was fired. That now seems very hallow and insincere, which is bad for a face...but take away that speech, and this storyline's been more or less flawless so far.

 

I don't know about 'flawless' ...

 

They could have left Cena at home at least a couple of weeks; it would've built anticipation in the audience and let Nexus get some heat. It would've been more effective from a storytelling standpoint (and that speech wouldn't have seemed so hollow after the fact).

 

i'm sure your response will be that they can't leave Cena off TV because it hurts ratings. But ratings are down this time of year anyway and even with Cena Raw has been hovering in the mid 3's.

[PeterHilton]

Sure, that Christmas Monster thing was a horrible gimmick... but in Lawler's defense, I've seen both WWF and WCW do worse (like the Mantaur and the Yeti).

 

Lawler and Memphis did it more often ..the Christmas Monster thing isn't even the weirdest gimmick Lawler booked himself against.

 

And yes, WWF and WCW have done worse, but that monster thing is just one example of the really really poor and outdated booking that hurt the Memphis territory.

 

He's not the worst booker ever by any means...just one of the few who never seems to be mentioned whenever that 'worst booker' conversation comes up.

[ampulator]

Lawler and Memphis did it more often ..the Christmas Monster thing isn't even the weirdest gimmick Lawler booked himself against.

 

And yes, WWF and WCW have done worse, but that monster thing is just one example of the really really poor and outdated booking that hurt the Memphis territory.

 

He's not the worst booker ever by any means...just one of the few who never seems to be mentioned whenever that 'worst booker' conversation comes up.

I tihink it has more to do with the fact very few peoplek knows he's a booker.

[lazorbeak]

Sure, that Christmas Monster thing was a horrible gimmick... but in Lawler's defense, I've seen both WWF and WCW do worse (like the Mantaur and the Yeti).

 

You mean the Yet-ay?

 

Lawler and Memphis did it more often ..the Christmas Monster thing isn't even the weirdest gimmick Lawler booked himself against.

 

And yes, WWF and WCW have done worse, but that monster thing is just one example of the really really poor and outdated booking that hurt the Memphis territory.

 

He's not the worst booker ever by any means...just one of the few who never seems to be mentioned whenever that 'worst booker' conversation comes up.

 

Lawler's booking of USWA is just an example of not changing with the times. I love camp and goofy crap more than the next guy, but their "apple pie and wrestling" type product was a good decade out of date by the mid-1990's. Instead of innovating, they were basically doing what WWF had already done years earlier, but without the A-list talent pilfering. No question but that he's tremendously overrated because of his work with WWF and the work he did to make himself a star in his own backyard.

[TheKenwyne]

Scott Stamford and CM Punk are the best commentary team in the E right now. If this was TEW they'd get a Great chemistry note for sure... some of the stuff on Superstars last night was absolutely brilliant

[crownsy]

Scott Stamford and CM Punk are the best commentary team in the E right now. If this was TEW they'd get a Great chemistry note for sure... some of the stuff on Superstars last night was absolutely brilliant

 

Punk's one liners are just flat out brillant

 

"John! No! my soooodaaaaa!" might have been one of the greatest calls on an AA through a table of all time

[djthefunkchris]

Punk's one liners are just flat out brillant

 

"John! No! my soooodaaaaa!" might have been one of the greatest calls on an AA through a table of all time

 

What made it funnier, was Cena grabbing the soda, handing it to him, then Punk throwing it aside as if it was poison.

[supershot]

What made it funnier, was Cena grabbing the soda, handing it to him, then Punk throwing it aside as if it was poison.

 

Haha wow, I might have to go watch this.

[Big Roguey]

Anybody got a YouTube link to the Punk Soda Incident.

[djthefunkchris]

Anybody got a YouTube link to the Punk Soda Incident.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP8-tFN-O1w&feature=related

[Comradebot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP8-tFN-O1w&feature=related

 

Honestly, pretty good promo from Cena.

[Jaysin]

Was Punk wearing a Charles Manson t shirt?