TheKenwyne Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Jericho wins again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0fcDmbX3aU&feature=player_embedded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Jericho wins again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0fcDmbX3aU&feature=player_embedded Totally Awesome. Yeah, that has to be something special in the works, Jericho was trying not to laugh for real, there at the end, when he lit up his jacket and then kept walking. Classic Stuff, time to buckle up and enjoy the upcoming ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Trust me, it's not Jericho coming back. He made VERY clear in a rude tweet that he is sick of wrestling and it's fans and he never wants to get another tweet concerning wrestling. I told him via tweet that he can kiss most of his followers goodbye since we, the wrestling fans, have PAID for him to live the way he has become accustomed to. I never thought I would find someone in the business that I would hate more than The Rock, but I think I found him. It makes me warm and fuzzy that even in the twitter age, pro wrestling fans are still getting 'got' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Absolutely raging i didn't get my Burchill/Katie Lea return on Raw... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabataged Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 If I didnt think Big Show was going to turn heel to set up his Big Show vs Shaq match at WM I would think for sure Daniel Bryan would turn heel here. He seems to be set up perfect for a nice heel turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjohns44 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 It makes me warm and fuzzy that even in the twitter age, pro wrestling fans are still getting 'got' hahaha well he said it on Twitter, so it must be true! The internet is the source of all things that is truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Jericho is genius. Turns up and gives the fans what they want... and keeps on giving it to them... until the fans get sick of it and do the heel-turning themselves! As crap as the segment was at the time, I'm glad they didn't pander to the Little Jimmies and their love of hollow, generic segments. That backstage clip is awesome. Turning on his jacket lights I hope they show it on Smackdown and next week's Raw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 well he said it on Twitter, so it must be true! The internet is the source of all things that is truth! Johnny Ace tweeted that Brodus will debut next week. So it must be true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKenwyne Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Totally Awesome. Yeah, that has to be something special in the works, Jericho was trying not to laugh for real, there at the end, when he lit up his jacket and then kept walking. Classic Stuff, time to buckle up and enjoy the upcoming ride. I refrained from posting a wait-and-see type response after the initial heat on Jericho for his enigmatic return, but I personally loved it. Jericho works the smarks better than anyone and this is one of those examples - I think we're seeing the birth of the first 'True Heel' in a long time - a guy who almost everyone hates - look at the rage across forums and sites professed to be 'smart', the same sites that dug heel Punk, heel Christian and 'The Best in the World at What He Does' Jericho. This hate is NOT directed at WWE but at Jericho - in creating a heel persona by converting his return pop into genuine heat the man has excelled himself in a truly original way. Monday night was brilliant, and I for one can't wait to see how their going to follow it up. I hope they build to the guy everyone loves CM Punk vs. the guy everyone hates Jericho at WM. The fact they mentioned the Rumble match in the video I posted, and the fact a Rumble win is missing from CJ's resume makes me believe that that could be the road we go down. But hey, I don't really want to fantasy book it, I just want it to be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I refrained from posting a wait-and-see type response after the initial heat on Jericho for his enigmatic return, but I personally loved it. Jericho works the smarks better than anyone and this is one of those examples - I think we're seeing the birth of the first 'True Heel' in a long time - a guy who almost everyone hates - look at the rage across forums and sites professed to be 'smart', the same sites that dug heel Punk, heel Christian and 'The Best in the World at What He Does' Jericho. This hate is NOT directed at WWE but at Jericho - in creating a heel persona by converting his return pop into genuine heat the man has excelled himself in a truly original way. Monday night was brilliant, and I for one can't wait to see how their going to follow it up. I hope they build to the guy everyone loves CM Punk vs. the guy everyone hates Jericho at WM. The fact they mentioned the Rumble match in the video I posted, and the fact a Rumble win is missing from CJ's resume makes me believe that that could be the road we go down. But hey, I don't really want to fantasy book it, I just want it to be awesome. /nod, I was thinking the same thing. I also thought it was all very uncomfortable looking, to start with. I expected him to go into a rant or something right off the bat, and when he didn't, I knew he was purposely trying to get the crowd to turn. What I don't know is what's up his sleeve. You're probably right. He truly ticked off everyone, especially his twitter followers, lol. I don't know what's in store, and I'd like to think it's something like you're saying. Who knows, it might be what HE wants. However, I look back at the other times he has come back, and I can't remember him not letting me down (or WWE creative letting me down). The "Sheep" (the IWC crowd, in other words "us") better get ready for this happening to them with him for a good while, because I think you're on to something... and the way the WWE has been lately, from everyone's comments that work for the WWE these days, I can see them letting Jericho do bassically what he wants right now.... Anything is possible. Him being the "Anti-IWC" person... I can see him doing terrible match's with the opposite of what people "want" to see him doing, just to get under their skin more.... Hopefully though, at the end of the run we will see a huge pay-off, with a great match. To be quite frank though, I don't know if CM Punk can pull off a really spectacular match, anymore... I've seen him come close, but I don't know if it's because of reading wrestling boards or what, I always seem to see his goof-ups moreso then his greatness... In other words, I'm a huge fan of CM Punk, probably for alot of the reasons I loved Mic Foley. I like him dropping "Pipe Bombs" moreso then anything else though... and he can't do that week after week, because he already said all there is to be said for now. All he can do is keep his focus, and show Jericho why he's "The Best In The World!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldStingberg Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I think you guys are painting with too broad of a brush. Sure, there's some people who are genuinely angry at Jericho. But there's a lot of people who aren't angry but disappointed that the return wasn't more interesting or entertaining. But whatever, people have different opinions. It would be cool, though, if people could express those opinions without denigrating others. Having a different opinion doesn't make someone a smark or not smart or a little Jimmy that likes hollow, generic crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I think you guys are painting with too broad of a brush. Sure, there's some people who are genuinely angry at Jericho. But there's a lot of people who aren't angry but disappointed that the return wasn't more interesting or entertaining. But whatever, people have different opinions. It would be cool, though, if people could express those opinions without denigrating others. Having a different opinion doesn't make someone a smark or not smart or a little Jimmy that likes hollow, generic crap. Broad strokes paint a simple picture. Besides, there's more fun in knocking a different opinion than accepting it. How else are these people meant to get their jollies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldStingberg Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 1) Daniel Bryan - He is being billed as the complete underdog. I don't think his reign will last very long but he still is getting a run with the belt. I am still happy about this. I'm not sure how good of an idea it is to use Bryan as an underdog. That role makes a lot more sense for Zack Ryder. Goofy guy, fans love him, no discernible talent, him being an underdog makes sense. Bryan, on the other hand, has very little fan support and has been booked, at times, as having legitimate submission ability. It's a weird dichotomy to try and portray Bryan as both a submission master and a fluky underdog who can barely beat a guy holding a demonstrably inferior title. That's why I think his title reign is not gonna last long. The WWE doesn't know what they want him to be, and as such, they're not giving fans good reasons to get behind him. And, of course, when fans fail to get behind him enough, the WWE will blame Bryan and take the title off him and possibly shuffle him down to a Swaggerian level of wrestling hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I think you guys are painting with too broad of a brush. Sure, there's some people who are genuinely angry at Jericho. But there's a lot of people who aren't angry but disappointed that the return wasn't more interesting or entertaining. But whatever, people have different opinions. It would be cool, though, if people could express those opinions without denigrating others. Having a different opinion doesn't make someone a smark or not smart or a little Jimmy that likes hollow, generic crap. Be it noted I agree with all of that. And like I said earlier, I can get why people would be disappointed. All I wanna add to that is what everyone wished/expected for often ends up becoming the most predictable stuff ever. The problem is when the IWC starts jumping the gun so much that the accepted potential scenario becomes the most predictable option. It's almost like it's a race to figure out how the storyline may entail. You mentioned people not finding the return interesting or entertaining(which I respect). I just wonder what they would've found entertaining, if it would've been Jericho just interrupting or attacking Punk and declaring his territory - which everyone and their mother, including everyone on his twitter page that day expected to happen. That's why I personally dropped out of that "race" years ago, because I don't find it fun anymore. It also decreases the chances of me going on a exasperated rant as soon as a swerve happens. I remember when Jericho told the fans to calm the hell down when Christian lost the title in five days, and surely enough I was one of those angry fans. Turns out he was right, and Christian became more established than ever before. I actually believe WWE is more prone to mess up when a big storyline is unleashed right in the open(Nash texting himself...) The funniest thing is because of things like this, certain people actually think that Vince is flipping the middle finger to the Internet? Now I don't think he's specifically catering to us either, but take a second look at how things are running now as opposed to five years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKenwyne Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I think you guys are painting with too broad of a brush. Sure, there's some people who are genuinely angry at Jericho. But there's a lot of people who aren't angry but disappointed that the return wasn't more interesting or entertaining. But whatever, people have different opinions. It would be cool, though, if people could express those opinions without denigrating others. Having a different opinion doesn't make someone a smark or not smart or a little Jimmy that likes hollow, generic crap. Just to note that I meant both 'smart' and 'smark' in the sense of someone who is 'in' on everything; as another word for IWC members like ourselves, not as an insult to anyone's intelligence, which, on reread, that inverted comma 'smart' could be seen as. If anyone took offence I apologise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Anyone else find it humorous that Fantabulous is pointing out how wrong it is to knock other peoples' thoughts and opinions? LOL he's a funny guy. It's a message board. We're gonna hit each other sometimes. The only real problem are those small group of people (and we're talking all over not just here) who CONSTANTLY insult people and almost never have a positive thing to say about anyone... THEY are the ones that make boarding not fun some times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Century Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The "Sheep" (the IWC crowd, in other words "us") better get ready for this happening to them with him for a good while, because I think you're on to something... and the way the WWE has been lately, from everyone's comments that work for the WWE these days, I can see them letting Jericho do bassically what he wants right now.... Anything is possible. Him being the "Anti-IWC" person... I can see him doing terrible match's with the opposite of what people "want" to see him doing, just to get under their skin more.... Reminds me exactly of Mick Foley's Anti-Hardcore persona in ECW. He purposely put on bad, anti-violent matches and promos to piss the fans off. Were the matches entertaining? Hell no. Were the promos entertaining? Well, yes, but it wasn't what the ECW fans wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Reminds me exactly of Mick Foley's Anti-Hardcore persona in ECW. He purposely put on bad, anti-violent matches and promos to piss the fans off. Were the matches entertaining? Hell no. Were the promos entertaining? Well, yes, but it wasn't what the ECW fans wanted. I never could stand Jericho in his early years, which is weird, because I now think the world of him. But yeah, I think you posted something like this before, and I kind of expect something like that. Someone to come along and do exactly the opposite of what "certain" fans want, and make it work, and tick them off in the meantime. People can blame whomever, but it's Jericho doing this stuff, I'd put money on it. I also think it's Stephanie McMahan thats going to be revealed as the person "pulling the strings". I figured it was obvious to be Jericho to be coming back, just thought it was too obvious to be him... but I was wrong in that respect. To me it's too obvious that is Stephanie McMahan, but I'm probably wrong, so I'm calling that it's her now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 My fantasy booking: Royal Rumble - Punk retains against Ziggler. Jericho finishes 2nd in the Rumble (just to be unpredictable). Barrett wins the Rumble. Bryan retains against Henry. Elimination Chamber - Jericho wins. Bryan retains again to become the ultimate underdog. WrestleMania - Punk beats Jericho. Bryan beats Barrett. Extreme Rules - Jericho's woman (Steph McMahon, the person Johnny Ace has been texting for months) gets Ace to set up an Undisputed WWE Championship Match so Jericho can reclaim what was his: Punk v Jericho v Bryan. Punk wins and the Ace is forced to merge the titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juggaloninjalee Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I'm not sure how good of an idea it is to use Bryan as an underdog. That role makes a lot more sense for Zack Ryder. Goofy guy, fans love him, no discernible talent, him being an underdog makes sense. Bryan, on the other hand, has very little fan support and has been booked, at times, as having legitimate submission ability. It's a weird dichotomy to try and portray Bryan as both a submission master and a fluky underdog who can barely beat a guy holding a demonstrably inferior title. That's why I think his title reign is not gonna last long. The WWE doesn't know what they want him to be, and as such, they're not giving fans good reasons to get behind him. And, of course, when fans fail to get behind him enough, the WWE will blame Bryan and take the title off him and possibly shuffle him down to a Swaggerian level of wrestling hell. I am not saying booking him as an underdog is a good idea. Just saying I am glad he is champ. He will forever go down as a World Champion now. He is a legit threat because of his technical abilities but against Henry, and Big Show in particular he is at a pretty big disadvantage (how it's been booked at least). My fantasy booking: Royal Rumble - Punk retains against Ziggler. Jericho finishes 2nd in the Rumble (just to be unpredictable). Barrett wins the Rumble. Bryan retains against Henry. Elimination Chamber - Jericho wins. Bryan retains again to become the ultimate underdog. WrestleMania - Punk beats Jericho. Bryan beats Barrett. Extreme Rules - Jericho's woman (Steph McMahon, the person Johnny Ace has been texting for months) gets Ace to set up an Undisputed WWE Championship Match so Jericho can reclaim what was his: Punk v Jericho v Bryan. Punk wins and the Ace is forced to merge the titles. Interesting fantasy booking. Punk vs Jericho at Mania would be great! I don't think Bryan will still have the title by Mania though. If I had to bet it would be Taker holding the title or winning it at Mania from a Barrett or some other heel like Henry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I honestly don't see what else I could book Daniel Bryan as, besides an Underdog... at least where the main title is concerned. Tag Teams, or lesser titles, not so limited... but if he's going up against people like Big Show or Mark Henry... I don't care if he's billed as the best submission specialist in the world, he's going to be "the underdog" no matter what they do with that. Just like anyone his size would be. It's not that people don't think he can pull it off so much as they look at 7' vs. 5'2" (or at least he looks around that), and go... woah... I don't know if I'd want to be in there, if I were him. The weight difference alone is just plain scarry.... what if one of them slips and falls on him the wrong way? Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Jericho's jacket. Also nobody should have to play underdog to Mark Henry. For a dude who is a failed weightlifter from like 15 years ago to still be billed as the strongest man in the world is a joke in and of itself. Why not bill Daniel Bryan as the fastest man in the world instead of an underdog? Makes about as much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest codey Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Whoah, whoah, whoah! Henry may not have been the best weight lifter, but he was certainly not a failure! The guy was voted team captain in the 96 Olympics, and the only reason he placed low (is 14th in the world rally low?) was due to a back injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Whoah, whoah, whoah! Henry may not have been the best weight lifter, but he was certainly not a failure! The guy was voted team captain in the 96 Olympics, and the only reason he placed low (is 14th in the world rally low?) was due to a back injury. Nobody trains their whole life to be number 14. To be fair, I do like Mark Henry and his latest run but psssssh, if WWE can get away with billing 1996's 14th best weight lifter as the world's strongest man then there is no reason for them to bill anyone else as anything less than super elite at what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhd1 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 To be fair, I do like Mark Henry and his latest run but psssssh, if WWE can get away with billing 1996's 14th best weight lifter as the world's strongest man then there is no reason for them to bill anyone else as anything less than super elite at what they do. Didn't Henry win the Arnold Strongman...something or something similar in the early 2000s? Fairly sure that's where the nickname comes from, not the Olympics. EDIT: Arnold Strongman Classic 2002, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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