The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[BHK1978]

I wonder what the old timers think of Total Divas. I mean it is obviously staged but even so looking behind the curtain must be driving some of those guys insane.

 

There was this guy who was a regular at the barbershop I used to go to, he was a heavy set guy who claimed to work for Vince Sr. in the WWWF. His license plate was something like WWF1. Anyway, the barber told me about him and how he used to wrestle in the WWWF/WWF in the late 70’s, early 80’s. So obviously being a fan my interest was piqued and I wanted to ask him some questions about the business back then.

 

Well this guy outright refused to answer any question I would ask him. Or on the occasional chance that he did give me an answer it was usually a short gruff one or two word answer. The guy always seemed very cagey whenever I asked him something. That led me to believe that he was acting that way because he was not actually a wrestler and just some guy who was lying so that he could impress people.

 

Anyway, a few years ago I was over my friend’s house and he was watching WWE OnDemand and I could the show he was watching was an MSG show from the 70’s and sure enough the dude from my barbershop was in the match (I believe it was Ivan Koloff, but I could be wrong. I just know it was a very old show from the mid to late 70’s.) and he was a jobber. I don’t even recall his name but I swear it was him.

 

My point being is, if that guy was not willing to talk to me because of the stupid code of not revealing what happens behind the curtain. Imagine how he must feel about a show like that.

[Rickymex]

Foley has always been a tool in anything involving Divas. I like Foley but reading his biographies and how much he mentions Melina and his relationship with Divas just sounds stupid. If I didn't believe he would never cheat on his wife I would guess the bellas [emphasis]SUCK[/emphasis]...up to him.

[Slim Jim]

... Wish you didn't post this as I used to really like Foley. I guess I'll get over it, but he just come off like a "tool" here. I mean, it's like he's saying AJ is just jealous for being left off of Total Divas. I don't think there is anyone I know that wouldn't have rather had AJ on the show then any two others that are currently on it (including the Bellas).

 

I took it as him saying her promo gave him the answer as to why she isn't on the show: she doesn't see it as a worthwhile endeavour. And because of that she doesn't appreciate the work the Bellas have put in to get where they are because it isn't the kind of work she did to get where she is.

 

For the record, I agree far more with AJ than with Foley but I can see his point. They may not be wrestlers but they offer something that appeals greatly to WWE, even if it does rub the real wrestlers up the wrong way.

 

I would say it's interesting to read his point of view of how they handle their business. Maria (and I think Maryse?) have been vocal about their displeasure with the way the Bellas handle themselves. Maria said after the AJ promo (in reply to one of their tweets) that they stopped three girls getting contracts.

[Rickymex]

I took it as him saying her promo gave him the answer as to why she isn't on the show: she doesn't see it as a worthwhile endeavour. And because of that she doesn't appreciate the work the Bellas have put in to get where they are because it isn't the kind of work she did to get where she is.

 

For the record, I agree far more with AJ than with Foley but I can see his point. They may not be wrestlers but they offer something that appeals greatly to WWE, even if it does rub the real wrestlers up the wrong way.

 

I would say it's interesting to read his point of view of how they handle their business. Maria (and I think Maryse?) have been vocal about their displeasure with the way the Bellas handle themselves. Maria said after the AJ promo (in reply to one of their tweets) that they stopped three girls getting contracts.

 

The rumor that I heard is that WWE was going to bring back some Divas for a special match with Maria, The Bellas, and some other older (at the time] divas against the new ones but The Bellas said no because of some stupid reasons and WWE decided to just not do it.

 

Also the Bellas twin had been trying to get the reality show from the moment they left the WWE but no network wanted it. So it is easy to agree when people say that the Bellas only came back for the TV Show which WWE would have probably agreed to in order to have them back (maybe to make Cena happy? I don't believe that but...)

[milamber]

Raw (Burial Edition) Review:

 

Opening segment - A bit repetitive but it was a good continuation of where last week's Raw ended.

Rhodes & Miz vs Fandango & Sandow - Good way to promote 2 feuds at the same time but the match was mediocre.

Axel vs Punk - Worth watching for the post-match beatdown. Punk looks badass taking so much punishment. Good work from Heyman, too.

AJ Lee - Channeling HHH & Punk to bury the divas division with a pipebomb. The crowd were cheering. I wonder if AJ will turn face after NOC and Paige will debut as a heel.

RVD vs Del Rio - Solid match but RVD and Ricardo is an awkward pairing. Ricardo should start wrestling after NOC.

Christian vs Orton - Yet another good match between these two. Orton added a few dick moves to compliment his usual moveset. Orton's car troubles continue!

Titus vs Swagger - "If ya can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em!" Decent match.

Wyatt Family - Love the new Sister Abigail promo. Now they need to impress in the ring before the hype wears off.

Bryan vs The Shield - HHH burying the entire roster Show, Ziggler & Miz are pussies! Obviously Show will break first unless the ironclad contract has been forgotten about already. Bryan vs Rollins was quality. Imagine what they could do in a half-hour PPV match! The rest was rushed but it made sense to end it with Bryan being destroyed again.

 

Verdict: Most of the match-ups were repetitious but it was still on par with last week's show. Best parts were Punk, AJ, Orton/HHH, Bryan & Rollins.

 

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[djthefunkchris]

I took it as him saying her promo gave him the answer as to why she isn't on the show: she doesn't see it as a worthwhile endeavour. And because of that she doesn't appreciate the work the Bellas have put in to get where they are because it isn't the kind of work she did to get where she is.

 

For the record, I agree far more with AJ than with Foley but I can see his point. They may not be wrestlers but they offer something that appeals greatly to WWE, even if it does rub the real wrestlers up the wrong way.

 

I would say it's interesting to read his point of view of how they handle their business. Maria (and I think Maryse?) have been vocal about their displeasure with the way the Bellas handle themselves. Maria said after the AJ promo (in reply to one of their tweets) that they stopped three girls getting contracts.

 

You can take it like that, and I won't knock you for it. I do that all the time, find a brighter picture to put it on, but I just can't on this one. I've seen him do similar things in the past, I think he even did one on Punk's, defending Cena. I guess this time was just the last straw for me.

 

AJ is a heel, and that promo might have been a "Pipe Bombshell" but, all in all it was to elicit a reaction, and it did. There is no one going around thinking "Oh, WOW! I didn't know the Bella's were handed things on a platter!" No, everyone is just going "What a great promo, and it coming from a Diva makes it even better because it was so unexpected!"

 

In other words, there was no "real" reason to defend anyone from this promo. The Bellas are heels, so it was good for AJ to make them look bad. At the same time she made the other's look bad and looked as if to be talking primarily to the one's in the ring, not the Bella's primarily. She was definitely in character while doing it, so what if people seemed to agree with her. The one that should be offended the most should have been Natalya.... there wasn't enough about the Bella's to really start defending them.

 

To me, he took a perfectly good promo that should just be about how awesome AJ was for pulling it off, and made it about the Bella's.

 

All he did was make me start hating them, when I didn't before.

[milamber]

I would burst out laughing if the whole Maria/Bellas twitter war was a total work and everyone fell for it. I wouldn't mind Maria back for a while.

[djthefunkchris]

I would burst out laughing if the whole Maria/Bellas twitter war was a total work and everyone fell for it. I wouldn't mind Maria back for a while.

 

They got rid of all the Divas that were in Playboy, probably for the PG era. I seriously doubt we will see Maria unless they can realize that it won't hurt their PG rating.

[bigtplaystew]

<p>If ANYONE actually believes that Vince McMahon wanted several other Divas for wrestlemania season, and The Bella Twins had the clout to tell Vince McMahon not to hire said Divas, you are more foolish than I thought. </p><p> </p><p>

It's kind of funny that Maria says something happened. EVERYONE else involved said thats not what happened, yet Maria Kannelis.... Maria Kanellis... is seen as the beacon of truth in all this.</p>

[panix04]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If ANYONE actually believes that Vince McMahon wanted several other Divas for wrestlemania season, and The Bella Twins had the clout to tell Vince McMahon not to hire said Divas, you are more foolish than I thought. <p> </p><p> It's kind of funny that Maria says something happened. EVERYONE else involved said thats not what happened, yet Maria Kannelis.... Maria Kanellis... is seen as the beacon of truth in all this.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To be fair she does have a certain "hypnotic quality" <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Greylocke]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Corporation had the Union. Not the most talented bunch to stand up, but a group did in fact come together to stand up. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As 2 other guys have already pointed out, the opposition didn't appear on the SECOND night of the heel stable's debut, which is what you seem to be expecting. How do you know that a group won't eventually form to oppose this new Shield/HHH/Orton faction? You may be skeptical about whether this will happen in the long run, and there's nothing wrong with that, but to complain about it not happening in the second night is <em>really</em> reaching.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>3 men against The Shield is fair. More baby faces jump on them and they start to look like the bad guys for using numbers.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Weren't you the one who was saying "They can't fire everyone! If everybody walks down the ramp against the bullies they will win!" So which do you want to happen? The entire roster coming down to Bryan's rescue and completely neuter the heel stable on the second night of their debut and "look like bad guys for using numbers?" Or a few select babyfaces to do that and get fired, because while McMahon can't fire EVERYONE, he can jolly well fire the 3-4 babyfaces that may be thinking of helping Bryan out. </p><p> </p><p> It's quite realistic in that regard. The Superstars know that McMahon can't fire everyone, but they also know that not everyone will be trying to help, so nobody wants to take that first step. They know that individually, most of them are quite expendable. The few guys who might have still tried to help despite the risk are given an excuse. John Cena (the ultimate good guy) is not there; CM Punk (the rebel who stood up against HHH and Johnny Ace 2 years ago) was taken out by Brock; Big Show (who has an ironclad contract) was taken out earlier by the Shield; Kane (Bryan's best pal) was taken out by the Wyatt Family. The only remaining guy present who I can picture <em>may</em> try to interfere is Mark Henry.</p><p> </p><p> Remember how the Big Show was willing to go down on his knees and cry and plead for Laurinaitis not to fire him? I know Stone Cold set up the fantasy image of how the good guys must always rebel against the evil boss, but realistically, such characters should be extremely rare. Most people simply won't risk their jobs that way, especially not for a guy who probably wasn't even their friend. I can see rare circumstances like the Usos being willing to stick out their neck for each other, but I don't see anyone (kayfabewise) who would do that for Bryan besides possibly Kane. At this point, HHH and Orton hasn't done enough harm to the rest of the roster yet to trigger that kind of reaction.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're talking about a group of men who travel the country PROMOTING NOT BEING BULLIES AND STANDING UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. To then turn around and do the exact opposite spits on the entire campaign and makes it look exactly like the joke it's been since they started it. How can ANYONE who stood on that stage on RAW now go to ANY school and speak to kids about the Be A STAR campaign? <strong>They've lost all credibility</strong>.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They'll only lose credibility if:</p><p> </p><p> 1) The bully is actually portrayed as a good guy/babyface;</p><p> 2) The face commentators are making the bullies out to be role models and condone their actions;</p><p> OR </p><p> 3) The bullies end up winning the war and go unpunished.</p><p> </p><p> Those conditions may have happened for some of the other storylines, but for this current on we're talking about, 1 and 2 hasn't happened, and it's too soon make statements on 3. That'll be like picking up a fairytale book, reading only the first 2 chapters, and then go on to complain "Hey, this book is a bad example to kids because the bad guys don't get punished and get away with all the bad stuff they did!", despite the fact that the ending of the book may very well have ended with the bad guys getting their comuppance.</p><p> </p><p> Are you <em>seriously</em> expecting the WWE to erase every trace and element of bullying from their angles and storylines? That's what heel stables are all about, using their numbers to bully the weak! Or that everytime they use that number advantage they should <em>immediately</em> have their advantage nullified because, hey, we can't have an episode end with the big bad bullies getting the upper hand!??</p><p> </p><p> To me, one of the many things that really weakened the Nexus' image as a threat was the fact that on the <em>second</em> week of their debut, John Cena summoned a bunch of allies and immediately neutered their one and only strength, numbers. Something like that should only happen near the end of the storyline, where all individual attempts at tackling the stable by themselves have failed. If you're going to throw water on the Wicked Witch in the 1st or 2nd chapter, you might as well just end the story right there. Daniel Bryan is the protangonist now, let him be the sole underdog in the spotlight standing against the bullies for now, and see how things go down in the future.</p>

[Moe Hunter]

Several times through Colt Cabana's podcast it has come up that the Bellas got on TV when they did by threatening specifically to leave unless they did. I don't doubt they've been using heavy threats and manipulation the whole time. "Work" isn't a word I would associate with them.

[panix04]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you're going to throw water on the Wicked Witch in the 1st or 2nd chapter, you might as well just end the story right there. Daniel Bryan is the protangonist now, let him be the sole underdog in the spotlight standing against the bullies for now, and see how things go down in the future.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I like the analogy but in the wizard of OZ even the cowardly lion had the minerals to help Dorothy on her mission <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> mind you if the cowardly lion's contract had been threatened he probably would have just joined TNA, less travelling (pesky yellow brick roads)</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="panix04" data-cite="panix04" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I like the analogy but in the wizard of OZ even the cowardly lion had the minerals to help Dorothy on her mission <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> mind you if the cowardly lion's contract had been threatened he probably would have just joined TNA, less travelling (pesky yellow brick roads)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The thing is that the Lion had an iron clad contract... <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[panix04]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The thing is that the Lion had an iron clad contract... <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And a tiger tattoo - he was a confused chap!</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="panix04" data-cite="panix04" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And a tiger tattoo - he was a confused chap!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <span>http://www.willywrestlefest.fr/Wallpapers/A-F/Big_Show_Wallpaper_01_1024.jpg</span></p>

[Mattywood]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If ANYONE actually believes that Vince McMahon wanted several other Divas for wrestlemania season, and The Bella Twins had the clout to tell Vince McMahon not to hire said Divas, you are more foolish than I thought. <p> </p><p> It's kind of funny that Maria says something happened. EVERYONE else involved said thats not what happened, yet Maria Kannelis.... Maria Kanellis... is seen as the beacon of truth in all this.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Quoted for truth. While I may not agree with Jim Cornette on everything, he hit the nail on the head when he was talking about Maria. She's yet another entitled brat that doesn't like being told what she needs to hear.</p><p> </p><p> As for anything said on Colt Cabana's podcast, I take EVERYTHING he says with a grain of salt. Always came off as a bit douchey to me, and I still have a bad taste in my mouth from how he ran down "Dr. Death" Steve Williams. As someone who was working for XCW when Dr. Death came down to do a show for us, the Dr. Death I saw that day couldn't been anymore opposite from what Colt Cabana described about him. Something tells me Colt is someone else who can't believe that someone has the guts to tell him that yes, sometimes your sh*t stinks. OK, rant over.</p>

[Fleisch]

<p>I think most of the divas both past and present thought they were bigger than they actually are. With the exception of Trish Stratus and a few of the earlier female wrestlers, they come in thinking it's an easy way to stardom and after realising it's not bitch that they weren't used properly or held down, shit if you're held down, work harder! Get noticed, in the real world you have to make yourself impossible to replace, unfortunately for them there are 1,000,0000 Marias or Bellas. This isn't to say they are all like that, but you can tell which are. The Funkadactyls are irritating as hell, I must be getting old because I don't understand a single thing they say.</p><p> </p><p>

Oh and one thing that REALLY bugs me about the divas? The grunting and screaming they do in the ring after every single move, kick and punch! This isn't tennis! Could you imagine how annoying it would be to hear every male superstar grunt and scream after every move? It riles me up so much that diva matches tend to just get forwarded through quickly... I love you tiVo <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Wow, didn't mean to go on a rant like that but I just hate the divas division, but before anyone chimes in, I don't hate womens wrestling - I just don't like the WWE's version!</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As 2 other guys have already pointed out, the opposition didn't appear on the SECOND night of the heel stable's debut, which is what you seem to be expecting. How do you know that a group won't eventually form to oppose this new Shield/HHH/Orton faction? You may be skeptical about whether this will happen in the long run, and there's nothing wrong with that, but to complain about it not happening in the second night is <em>really</em> reaching.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Most other heel stables didn't call out the ENTIRE ROSTER the second night of it's debut and make them all look pathetic.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Weren't you the one who was saying "They can't fire everyone! If everybody walks down the ramp against the bullies they will win!" So which do you want to happen? The entire roster coming down to Bryan's rescue and completely neuter the heel stable on the second night of their debut and "look like bad guys for using numbers?" Or a few select babyfaces to do that and get fired, because while McMahon can't fire EVERYONE, he can jolly well fire the 3-4 babyfaces that may be thinking of helping Bryan out.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If everyone the SHIELD jumped decided to jump them back at the same time, it'd be turn about is fair play. Until now, they weren't spitting in the face of EVERYONE on the roster in one night. It's not even about helping Bryan. It's about not standing there like a female dog doing nothing while 3 pansies, the guy who could never hold number 2, and a retired guy in a suit purposely involve all of you just to teach you you're nothing.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Remember how the Big Show was willing to go down on his knees and cry and plead for Laurinaitis not to fire him? I know Stone Cold set up the fantasy image of how the good guys must always rebel against the evil boss, but realistically, such characters should be extremely rare. Most people simply won't risk their jobs that way, especially not for a guy who probably wasn't even their friend. I can see rare circumstances like the Usos being willing to stick out their neck for each other, but I don't see anyone (kayfabewise) who would do that for Bryan besides possibly Kane. At this point, HHH and Orton hasn't done enough harm to the rest of the roster yet to trigger that kind of reaction.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They've taken away everyone's ability to have an opinion and made them all stand on the stage and lose whatever dignity they may have had left. Far more insulting than any attack on any of them would be. If you're not going to fight for your dignity, what are you going to fight for?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They'll only lose credibility if:<p> </p><p> 1) The bully is actually portrayed as a good guy/babyface;</p><p> 2) The face commentators are making the bullies out to be role models and condone their actions;</p><p> OR </p><p> 3) The bullies end up winning the war and go unpunished.</p><p> </p><p> Those conditions may have happened for some of the other storylines, but for this current on we're talking about, 1 and 2 hasn't happened, and it's too soon make statements on 3. That'll be like picking up a fairytale book, reading only the first 2 chapters, and then go on to complain "Hey, this book is a bad example to kids because the bad guys don't get punished and get away with all the bad stuff they did!", despite the fact that the ending of the book may very well have ended with the bad guys getting their comuppance.</p><p> </p><p> Are you <em>seriously</em> expecting the WWE to erase every trace and element of bullying from their angles and storylines? That's what heel stables are all about, using their numbers to bully the weak! Or that everytime they use that number advantage they should <em>immediately</em> have their advantage nullified because, hey, we can't have an episode end with the big bad bullies getting the upper hand!??</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> With 2 natural heel announcers trying to be faces during this, they're doing a horrible job. Neither have even seemed all that upset by the situation.</p><p> </p><p> I don't expect bullying to be gone. I do expect a bunch of grown men who travel the country preaching standing up for what is right to stand up for what is right. Not doing anything basically tells kids they've been lying, and standing up to bullies is a bad idea. It's just going to end worse for you.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To me, one of the many things that really weakened the Nexus' image as a threat was the fact that on the <em>second</em> week of their debut, John Cena summoned a bunch of allies and immediately neutered their one and only strength, numbers. Something like that should only happen near the end of the storyline, where all individual attempts at tackling the stable by themselves have failed. If you're going to throw water on the Wicked Witch in the 1st or 2nd chapter, you might as well just end the story right there. Daniel Bryan is the protangonist now, let him be the sole underdog in the spotlight standing against the bullies for now, and see how things go down in the future.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You don't know how things are going to go down?</p><p> </p><p> Bryan wins the belt at Survivor Series. Orton wins the belt back at Royal Rumble. The rumble then becomes a battle to see who takes on Orton at Mania to finally put an end to this stable. Cena makes a huge return during it, wins it, and goes on to defeat Orton at Mania to become champion yet again and ensure the world knows that only he can stop fore... er, defeat evil.</p>

[Mattywood]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think most of the divas both past and present thought they were bigger than they actually are. With the exception of Trish Stratus and a few of the earlier female wrestlers, they come in thinking it's an easy way to stardom and after realising it's not bitch that they weren't used properly or held down, shit if you're held down, work harder! Get noticed, in the real world you have to make yourself impossible to replace, unfortunately for them there are 1,000,0000 Marias or Bellas. This isn't to say they are all like that, but you can tell which are. The Funkadactyls are irritating as hell, I must be getting old because I don't understand a single thing they say.<p> </p><p> Oh and one thing that REALLY bugs me about the divas? The grunting and screaming they do in the ring after every single move, kick and punch! This isn't tennis! Could you imagine how annoying it would be to hear every male superstar grunt and scream after every move? It riles me up so much that diva matches tend to just get forwarded through quickly... I love you tiVo <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Wow, didn't mean to go on a rant like that but I just hate the divas division, but before anyone chimes in, I don't hate womens wrestling - I just don't like the WWE's version!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sad thing is, it's not just most of the divas who act like whiney "OMG! THEY HELD ME DOWN!" crybabies. There have been quite a few male wrestlers who have had that attitude. Look at some of the guys who have come out and bashed Triple H and Shawn Michaels, claiming they "held them down" and "buried them to Vince." Now there's no denying Shawn was a jerk back in the day. For goodness sakes, he tells you that himself. But last time I checked, telling someone that their sh*t stinks isn't stabbing you in the back. And Vince asking a veteran for their honest opinion of someone and them giving said honest opinion is not going to Vince to bury them. </p><p> </p><p> You know who was told that their match sucked by Triple H when they asked for his honest opinion? John Cena. Yet he didn't go on third rate podcasts hosted by marks who will <strong>NEVER</strong> get into the business in any way, shape or form(not even as a janitor), or crying to that pedophile Rob Feinstein about how Triple H buried him to Vince. He worked his ass off to get better and to work on what Triple H had said sucked and now look at him? No, not the greatest wrestler on the face of the planet, but he has been the top dog in WWE for almost 10 years now. Bottom line, man up and work your ass off to get better or get the eff out! My favorite was when Ken Anderson moaned that Randy Orton got him fired. When asked about it, Orton talked about how reckless Ken was in the ring and how he dropped him on his head and was nonchalant about it, so of course he was going to say something. Or when someone asked Shawn about young guys asking for advice, he said he tries to help but there's nothing he can do when they laugh at him and say "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard!"</p><p> </p><p> Matt Shannon's rant is brought to you by beer and cookies. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[dpoolez]

I think most of the divas both past and present thought they were bigger than they actually are. With the exception of Trish Stratus and a few of the earlier female wrestlers, they come in thinking it's an easy way to stardom and after realising it's not bitch that they weren't used properly or held down, shit if you're held down, work harder! Get noticed, in the real world you have to make yourself impossible to replace, unfortunately for them there are 1,000,0000 Marias or Bellas. This isn't to say they are all like that, but you can tell which are. The Funkadactyls are irritating as hell, I must be getting old because I don't understand a single thing they say.

 

Oh and one thing that REALLY bugs me about the divas? The grunting and screaming they do in the ring after every single move, kick and punch! This isn't tennis! Could you imagine how annoying it would be to hear every male superstar grunt and scream after every move? It riles me up so much that diva matches tend to just get forwarded through quickly... I love you tiVo

 

Wow, didn't mean to go on a rant like that but I just hate the divas division, but before anyone chimes in, I don't hate womens wrestling - I just don't like the WWE's version!

 

While you have valid arguments, I think the blame is put on the Divas way too much. I've read rumors that it's actually the WWE who forces the women to wrestle the way that they do, because they dont want the women to outperform the men. Not saying that they could, but I do think the Divas tend to get the blame that should go to Vince or whoever's co-signing making the Divas wrestle like crap.

 

Even on that match on Raw, the Divas barely wrestled, and as soon as one of them hit their finisher, it was over. The Divas need at least one 7-8 minute match if not two on every Raw and Smackdown IMO, there's more than enough time to make the Divas meaningful. I doubt it, but hopefully AJ's pipebomb is the start of something good for the Divas.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I feel like divas having 7-8 minute matches would only emphasize their weaknesses... management are putting restrictions on divas' bouts for a reason. This wouldn't apply to the divas who are actually good, but yet they're mostly the ones who get snubbed in favor of the beauties of the season.

 

 

Sad thing is, it's not just most of the divas who act like whiney "OMG! THEY HELD ME DOWN!" crybabies. There have been quite a few male wrestlers who have had that attitude. Look at some of the guys who have come out and bashed Triple H and Shawn Michaels, claiming they "held them down" and "buried them to Vince." Now there's no denying Shawn was a jerk back in the day. For goodness sakes, he tells you that himself. But last time I checked, telling someone that their sh*t stinks isn't stabbing you in the back. And Vince asking a veteran for their honest opinion of someone and them giving said honest opinion is not going to Vince to bury them.

 

You know who was told that their match sucked by Triple H when they asked for his honest opinion? John Cena. Yet he didn't go on third rate podcasts hosted by marks who will NEVER get into the business in any way, shape or form(not even as a janitor), or crying to that pedophile Rob Feinstein about how Triple H buried him to Vince. He worked his ass off to get better and to work on what Triple H had said sucked and now look at him? No, not the greatest wrestler on the face of the planet, but he has been the top dog in WWE for almost 10 years now. Bottom line, man up and work your ass off to get better or get the eff out! My favorite was when Ken Anderson moaned that Randy Orton got him fired. When asked about it, Orton talked about how reckless Ken was in the ring and how he dropped him on his head and was nonchalant about it, so of course he was going to say something. Or when someone asked Shawn about young guys asking for advice, he said he tries to help but there's nothing he can do when they laugh at him and say "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard!"

 

Matt Shannon's rant is brought to you by beer and cookies.

 

Quoted for truth.

[Teh_Showtime]

I feel like divas having 7-8 minute matches would only emphasize their weaknesses... management are putting restrictions on divas' bouts for a reason. This wouldn't apply to the divas who are actually good, but yet they're mostly the ones who get snubbed in favor of the beauties of the season.

 

Eh I wouldn't say that. Outside of the Bellas the rest of the ones who actually get ring time have proven to be pretty decent, if not above average. AJ and Kaitlyn got something like 10 minutes on PPV and clearly had the best WWE women's match is quite some time. Some of them tend to work on NXT with slightly longer matches too and it doesn't seem to be a problem.

 

The real problem is trying to keep the crowd engaged that long since they don't care about anybody not named AJ (they have no reason to) but before they turned Kaitlyn into a weak minded babyface who consistently taps out she was getting pretty good crowd support.

[Moe Hunter]

Quoted for truth. While I may not agree with Jim Cornette on everything, he hit the nail on the head when he was talking about Maria. She's yet another entitled brat that doesn't like being told what she needs to hear.

 

As for anything said on Colt Cabana's podcast, I take EVERYTHING he says with a grain of salt. Always came off as a bit douchey to me, and I still have a bad taste in my mouth from how he ran down "Dr. Death" Steve Williams. As someone who was working for XCW when Dr. Death came down to do a show for us, the Dr. Death I saw that day couldn't been anymore opposite from what Colt Cabana described about him. Something tells me Colt is someone else who can't believe that someone has the guts to tell him that yes, sometimes your sh*t stinks. OK, rant over.

 

Huh, he had a different experience with one guy than you did. That totally throws his credibility way out.

 

Also, I never said that it was him who brought it up about the Bellas - in fact it has been several other wrestlers who were around developmental/WWE at the time.

[liontamer]

<p>random question....</p><p> </p><p>

caught main event replays tonight. first time I've seen WWE since the Rock lost to Cena. Is it just me, or is the shields theme awefully familiar? Thought it might be a slowed remix of the Batista theme.</p>