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jbergey_2005 · March 24, 2014

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>People remember Sting too, that doesn't mean he would draw to a degree that you should put him in a marquee spot on WM.</div></blockquote> Right! The best Sting should be doing at this point in his career is what Steamboat, Snuka, Piper were doing a few years back in being a nostalgia act.

PoisonedSuperman · March 25, 2014

I feel like this RAW is lacking an Adam Cole Experience.

Kitarzu · March 25, 2014

Batista bought Herman Hermann's counterfeit jeans! <img alt="

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Teh_Showtime · March 25, 2014

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PoisonedSuperman" data-cite="PoisonedSuperman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I feel like this RAW is lacking an Adam Cole Experience.</div></blockquote> Isn't every raw? <img alt="tumblr_n2gf1lu32g1tt2jjyo1_r1_500.gif" data-src="https://24.media.tumblr.com/2ed8617ecde3530cfb9e043b3eb7a100/tumblr_n2gf1lu32g1tt2jjyo1_r1_500.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

lazorbeak · March 25, 2014

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Answer this, how many people really watch TNA? Is that number really similar to how many people watched WCW 2000 compared to the WWF at the time? Hogan was not a draw in 2000 at all, he was also considered washed up and buyrates/tv ratings for his headlined events post 1999 agreed with that statement. Fast forward two years and suddenly he's getting cheered over The Rock who's suddenly getting booed. The Rock vs Hogan really had no backstory, unless you consider Hogan laughing that his son's favorite wrestler was The Rock lol.</div></blockquote> Let me stop you right there. The difference, the huge, monumental difference, is that WCW fans gave up on Hogan. WWF fans that hadn't seen the guy in 8 years were excited to see Hogan come back. Hogan was the undisputed biggest star in WWF for years, and then came back after being away for years. Sting, on the other hand, never worked in WWF, and the thousands of fans that gave up on Nitro fifteen years ago aren't coming back to support Sting in a meaningful way. So, between it being nearly double the length of time, and a returning hero vs. a new face, the situations are really not the same at all. The more I think about it, the more I like panelist Sting talking about the Monday Night War. If you really want, you can have Miz or some heel run him down and then have them wrestle at Summerslam or whatever. But Undertaker? Come on now.

Macca316 · March 25, 2014

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Isn't every raw? <img alt="tumblr_n2gf1lu32g1tt2jjyo1_r1_500.gif" data-src="https://24.media.tumblr.com/2ed8617ecde3530cfb9e043b3eb7a100/tumblr_n2gf1lu32g1tt2jjyo1_r1_500.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> That is simply fantastic... Adam Cole is fantastic, everytime I see something from I become more of a fan... The dude is gold!

Chris · March 25, 2014

Watching last nights Raw and the angle with Cena backstage putting water on his face and seeing Erick Rowans sheep mask behind him, I knew I had seen it before! Randy Orton v The Undertaker done a similar angle.

Hive · March 25, 2014

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Chris" data-cite="Chris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Watching last nights Raw and the angle with Cena backstage putting water on his face and seeing Erick Rowans sheep mask behind him, I knew I had seen it before! Randy Orton v The Undertaker done a similar angle. <div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/SIxPeBobiSo?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Randy Orton sees Undertaker in mirror"></iframe></div></div></div></blockquote> Yeah, about that... <div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/78XbX5tVFeY?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Hulk Hogan Sees Warrior in Mirror"></iframe></div></div>

RayW · March 25, 2014

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, about that... <div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/78XbX5tVFeY?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Hulk Hogan Sees Warrior in Mirror"></iframe></div></div></div></blockquote> I remember this. It still makes me laugh how everyone could see Warrior except Bischoff. Brilliant.

bigtplaystew · March 25, 2014

Joe Manganiello actually cut a half decent promo there lol.

DaMegaFish · March 26, 2014

So I was watching WM Rewind on The Network tonight featuring Bret Hart's matches from Wrestlemania 10. The thing that struck me most is how much I wish WWE would host more big event PPV's in Madison Square Garden. I think it always looks awesome when they use the small entrance doors area, instead of building a full on set, which they have done a couple times in the Garden. It just feels intimate and makes the event feel different and special when they use the small doors...I want it back!

If you don't know what I'm talking about...

delv213 · March 26, 2014

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Let me stop you right there. The difference, the huge, monumental difference, is that WCW fans gave up on Hogan. WWF fans that hadn't seen the guy in 8 years were excited to see Hogan come back. Hogan was the undisputed biggest star in WWF for years, and then came back after being away for years. Sting, on the other hand, never worked in WWF, and the thousands of fans that gave up on Nitro fifteen years ago aren't coming back to support Sting in a meaningful way. So, between it being nearly double the length of time, and a returning hero vs. a new face, the situations are really not the same at all. The more I think about it, the more I like panelist Sting talking about the Monday Night War. If you really want, you can have Miz or some heel run him down and then have them wrestle at Summerslam or whatever. But Undertaker? Come on now.</div></blockquote> I'm just saying people can't use TNA as an example of Sting drawing or not. It's very comparable to how people gave up on Hogan in WCW, like you said. Nobody watches the product, just like nobody wanted to watch WCW in 2000. Jeff Hardy and his 1 million twitter followers didn't change the promotion from putting up it's usual 1.2 rating. Hogan with all his plugging of TNA for the January 4,2010 episode only put up an additional 0.30 on the ratings. It's a second rate product that the majority of wrestling fans refuse to watch just because it's been branded second rate. Nobody can turn around that promotion. Doesn't matter how much of a draw you are, I think The Rock wrestling in TNA wouldn't turn it around. Sure he'd add a million viewers to it, it still wouldn't be competitive against the WWE and he's arguably the biggest draw in both wrestling and the movie industry right now. Sting's ability to draw in the WWE hasn't been tested and therefor can't be argued since he hasn't been given the chance to do anything with them yet. And if they properly create a hype for him coming back similar to what they did for Batista through promos, there's no doubt in my mind they'd have people hooked to at least see his debut. Agree to that? It wasn't long ago that people were going nuts for those 2.21.12 promos. WWE could easily deliver proper hype for a Sting debut if it was done properly and like I said, there's no doubt in my mind they'd have people hooked to at least see his debut.

djthefunkchris · March 26, 2014

The Sting, Thing... I don't really get the seriousness of the conversation. I don't want to say anyone is actually wrong, your just debating total different points. No, he's not the Sting of old and I don't see him able to compete on a normal level. Yes, I think he would draw like crazy, if they hyped him right. I agree with almost every point made, but none of them are actually direct opposites of one another.

Really, the only thing I don't agree with is that people wouldn't know him because he wasn't in WWF/E. I would have believed the younger person in the debate would be the one to make that point, as they wouldn't understand that anyone over 25 that's been a wrestling fan would definitely know who Sting is, no matter if he was in WWE or not. It's like saying no one would have known who Dusty Rhodes, Ric Flair, Steamboat, or even Andre was, if they hadn't have been in WWF/E, back in 1994. I don't really get that, as Sting was a household name as much as any other wrestling at one point.

I think the underlying debate is actually, *should* WWE give a main even spot to someone like Sting. I think they should. I think a Taker vs. Sting feud, done right, could really be a treat for everyone.... so there is my answer to who I think he could face. My reasons aren't because I think it would draw, make a ton of money, etc. My reason is simply *if* that is something they could make happen, it would be a nice treat, no matter how bad the match turns out... I think I would love to see it. I don't see the "Well, it would be better to utilize someone else to elevate them" as a valid argument.... considering I can't remember an opponent in the last few years that a feud with Taker was actually something they needed. Punk is probably the only recent one, but even he was already elevated and didn't need it. Brock sure don't need it. I don't see them utilizing someone that really *needs* it, so to me it's not a valid point to bring up.

Now, on to fantasy booking for it: Imagine Taker coming to the ring, to announce who he's going to face at Wrestlemania, or for whatever reason they come up with to get him out into the ring to do a promo. In the middle of his promo, after he says a certain phrase or what have you, the lights go out. The lights come back on, Taker looks puzzled as he looks at Sting standing in the ring, with a bat behind his back that only the crowd see's. Taker immediately goes to attack but is stopped dead by Sting and his bat. Lights go out, Taker is getting off the mat when the lights come back on, left to wonder what just happened.... Let the mind games begin.

To me they could really have fun with it, and entertain the heck out of us. So yeah, give me that nostalgia for one Wrestlemania please.

jbergey_2005 · March 26, 2014

I agree with much of what you said DJ.

The facing Undertaker I guess is the biggest issue I would have. Undertaker at WM has been built to be superhuman and I dont think any amount of hype could get him to the level that makes him a legit threat.

With that said, maybe the WWE has built Undertaker up so much that no one really appears as threat. Do people even think Lesnar can go over on him?

Remarkably, the past 10 years knowing that Undertaker is going to win, the matches have been so wonderfully done that they made you forget about the fact that UT cant be beat. I just dont think Sting could pull this off.

delv213 · March 26, 2014

I'm going to go really off topic here a bit and just talk about Wrestlemania X-8 for a minute. I'm Canadian, and actually grew up in a large city outside of Toronto with my two older brothers, who back in the day of the Monday Night Wars, absolutely loved wrestling. They still watch it now a days, but largely are uninterested in a product that resembles the cartoon-ish WWF from 1994/1995. To them, growing up in the 90's, it was the nWo that was the coolest thing going. Yes, they liked Austin and Bret Hart and everything but everyone back in the day as a child/teenager would rush home after school and catch the 4:00PM WCW Nitro replay on Wednesday on TSN. To every kid growing up who's now in that 20-30 age group and still watches wrestling it's largely because of that WCW show that got them hooked. In retrospect it's probably because the WWF product during that time period was absolutely awful and they lost a large majority of their fans during that time, even with Bret Hart being from Canada being their top star, most people hated everything the WWF did because it was always the babyface who would go over. Canadians love heels! We always have and always will. Look at Bret during his heel run in 1997, he'd come here and get cheered like a God!

Now fast forward to Wrestlemania X-8 and me, my brothers and all their friends are in Skydome for Wrestlemania X-8. Who do you think we're all going to markout for? Everyone in that building wanted to see the guy they grew up watching as leader of the nWo! Hogan got a God-like cheer from the crowd and us specifically during that night and rightfully so, the guy was on top of wrestling for two of the biggest boom periods in the history of wresting! There is still a large group of 20+ year old wrestling fans that exist in Canada that loved wrestling from that 1997-1998 period. Most of us never left and that's why you see such crazy crowds in Toronto for every WWE event. It's like the old Attitude Era crowds. Hell, we were chanting "You Screwed Bret" to Shawn Michaels for nearly a decade lol. Even recently at a Boston vs. Toronto Blue Jays game at Skydome/Rogers Center we we're all chanting "*Expletive* You Farrell" to a guy that left Toronto as Manager to manage the divisional rival team Boston. We're very New York City-ish foul mouthed towards sports anything in Toronto. We also follow it all very religiously.

Anyways, every single person I've ever talked to about wrestling that's in that age group of 20-30 always said they loved WCW during that 1997/1998 period and hated the WWF. Sting, Hogan, Savage and Bret Hart are usually everyone's favorites, I loved Savage growing up personally. What I recently noticed when watching Wrestlemania 28/29 last year/2 years ago, is that a lot of people in my age group still watched wrestling and loved the nostalgia draws of old. The Rock being a topic was always being discussed on my Facebook updates, as was Hogan whenever he came over here to do something with our crack smoking Mayor Rob Ford. Everyone loves Nostalgia here, so I can't deny that I think someone like Sting would be a draw as long as he's hyped up properly. Especially up here, people would roll the red carpet out for him as long as he resembles the Sting of old. Which really isn't that hard if he puts on face paint and get's in good enough shape to not wear a shirt during a match.

Yes, I kinda just wanted to talk about how it is to be Canadian and still watch wrestling. Everyone seems to think we live in Igloos and hunt Polar Bears. We're very different from the stereotype.

milamber · March 26, 2014

Raw Review:

Steph, Tweener Orton & Douchetista - Entertaining segment. They did well to keep their composure with the chanting and mic trouble. Batista was legit funny. Shame his spear sucks.

Christian vs Del Rio vs Ziggler vs Sheamus - Good match. A bit sloppy at times but lots of cool spots. I can't believe how high Del Rio tossed Ziggler in the air! Christian finally won.

Sin Cara vs Sandow - Why are they still using the special lighting? Sandow buried to promote WWE Scooby Doo makes me sad.

Los Matadores vs Rybaxel - I don't mind them keeping the Shield strong but Rybaxel need to win a match before WM30 so they look like legit contenders for the Tag Titles.

HHH Interview - Good stuff.

Fandango vs Rhodes - Solid match. Goldust and Summer!

Hogan, Arnie, Joe & Miz - Standard guest host segment. Not good but not bad either. Miz was back to his cocky best.

Titus vs Show - OK match because they actually let Titus get in some offense in what could have been a total squash.

Cena vs Harper - Great match. Loved the "Let's go Harper!" chants and Cena tied up in the ropes with the sheep mask on!

AJ vs Naomi - Setup for a huge Diva match at WM30. AJ is finally going to lose the title. Vicki said "Bitch" -- the Reality Era must be TV-14.

Shield vs Real Americans - Great match. I hope we get singles matches with these guys. Rollins & Cesaro could put on a clinic.

Lesnar, Heyman & Taker - "Eat Sleep Break the Streak." Taker won the first 2 rounds of this feud. Makes me think they are booking Lesnar as the underdog to make smarks think he's going over Taker by the law of reverse momentum.

Verdict: Good show.

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milamber · March 26, 2014

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delv213 · March 27, 2014

Well my suspicion that The Rock plays Cyborg in the next DC movie before the New Justice league movie comes out is coming closer and closer to reality now that I researched Cyborg a bit. The key hint with him being Cyborg besides the stats,(below) is that The Rock said his character has never been portrayed in a live action movie yet. Cyborg is also a original member of the New Justice League revival comics and is pretty popular with a new generation of DC fans due to his cartoon portrayals over the last 10 years. This is pure speculation, but a pretty strong bet being that he plays someone who can be part of the new Justice League movie to come out in the near future. Guess this means no Wrestlemania 31 for The Rock if he's signed on to do more high profile movies?

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Jaysin · March 27, 2014

I'd much rather him play Black Adam. Adam is a far more interesting character than Cyborg has ever been.

Rickymex · March 27, 2014

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd much rather him play Black Adam. Adam is a far more interesting character than Cyborg has ever been.</div></blockquote> He could always play Luke Cage http://www.nextmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/VIn-Diesel-Luke-Cage.jpghttp://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/luke-cage-comics-01.jpg

Jaysin · March 27, 2014

Luke Cage is Marvel, he's doing a movie with DC

delv213 · March 27, 2014

Personally, I don't find Cyborg quite complex either but it would go in perfect with DC trying to capitalize off of the success of Marvel's The Avengers by obliterating it with a much more popular(In my opinion) comic book adaptation in The Justice League. I always found Marvel's Universe(X-Men living in the same universe as The Avengers/Spider-Man/Fantastic 4) to be too scrambled and incoherent with too many plot-holes compared to DC's which actually intertwined perfectly. Although, I'll admit I loved X-Men growing up and am a fan of it's movies currently as well.

I still expect Spider-Man to eventually join up with the Avengers in the upcoming sequel, then Wolverine and possibly The Thing.

PoisonedSuperman · March 27, 2014

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Personally, I don't find Cyborg quite complex either but it would go in perfect with DC trying to capitalize off of the success of Marvel's The Avengers by obliterating it with a much more popular(In my opinion) comic book adaptation in The Justice League. I always found Marvel's Universe(X-Men living in the same universe as The Avengers/Spider-Man/Fantastic 4) to be too scrambled and incoherent with too many plot-holes compared to DC's which actually intertwined perfectly. Although, I'll admit I loved X-Men growing up and am a fan of it's movies currently as well. I still expect Spider-Man to eventually join up with the Avengers in the upcoming sequel, then Wolverine and possibly The Thing.</div></blockquote> Marvel doesn't own the rights to make Spider-Man or Wolverine movies though...

lazorbeak · March 27, 2014

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Personally, I don't find Cyborg quite complex either but it would go in perfect with DC trying to capitalize off of the success of Marvel's The Avengers by obliterating it with a much more popular(In my opinion) comic book adaptation in The Justice League. I always found Marvel's Universe(X-Men living in the same universe as The Avengers/Spider-Man/Fantastic 4) to be too scrambled and incoherent with too many plot-holes compared to DC's which actually intertwined perfectly. Although, I'll admit I loved X-Men growing up and am a fan of it's movies currently as well. I still expect Spider-Man to eventually join up with the Avengers in the upcoming sequel, then Wolverine and possibly The Thing.</div></blockquote> This is a bit too off-topic for WWE to go too in-deth, but whaaaaaa? DC's continuity is/was a confusing mess that has necessitated multiple reboots in an effort to make DC more of a shared universe, that is, making them more like Marvel. I just don't know where to even begin.

delv213 · March 27, 2014

^Really? I always found the fact that The X-Men being mutants and having Wolverine join the Avengers absolute a cluster of you know what. Doesn't that make them all Mutants as well? That opens a whole can of worms that hurts my brain. For one, why weren't they fighting with the X-Men during their many wars with humans when they tried to kill off all the Mutants in the world? I at least found that Batman really didn't exceed his boundaries of going outside Gotham for the most part while the other superheros did the same for their respective territories/areas/cities. Superman was really the only guy to go from city to city protecting the World from everything, and that was because he was in my opinion, the greatest Superhero ever created. He was also like the first superhero to meet other respective superheros and that was because he was the guy saving earth from everything. While in Marvel everyone protected the earth from destruction once or twice, you'd think they'd meet once or twice doing what they were doing.

Oh and PoisonedSuperman, I was unaware that Marvel didn't own the rights to the movie production of Spider-Man/X-Men. Still a joint production of the 3 different studios could make the film do ridiculous box office numbers. Jackman himself said "he'd love to be apart of the Avengers". Obviously that would be difficult but if Warner Brothers and Disney could come together for Who Framed Rogers Rabbit, anything is really possible as long as money is there to be made.

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