PeterHilton Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I like Sheamus as a character and I actually like his mic work I really really don't like how he's been booked. If he's a monster heel, why does he spend so much of his time sneak attacking and winning off of flukes? Why did he run from Kane last week? Basically, i guess its more of an issue with the E's policy of making it's heels look weak no matter what, but I'd be a much bigger fan of Sheamus if he was booked to match his look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I like Sheamus in principal. He's been on RAW mostly, so I haven't had too much exposure to him, but I love his look, and the few times I've heard him talk I've been impressed, given how long he's been on this big stage. "Fella" is awesome. The booking's a bit suspect, but I'd rather see Sheamus elevated than someone like Kane, who hasn't had a good match in years, and was stale in 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I am not buying Sheamus as a world champ yet. I see him as nothing more than a monster heel. Kane to me is much better and should be booked that way. Sheamus kinda irritates me. Kane is pushing 40, barely looks like he cares in half of his matches, he's a shell of his former worker self, and his character has been watered down and made a jobber for the last five years atleast. I have no idea how Kane is "much better". Look - Sheamous looks like nobody else in the "Dubya Duba E" Fella Size - Both are bigger than most everybody that isn't a "giant" Work - Kane is much slower and does about a 1/4 of the moves he used to. There was a time Kane was the best big man around. That time was ten years ago. Sheamous may be the best "big man" worker although when Show is motivated he's still pretty good as is Taker. Consistant if not the best. Character - Sheamous has been around a year and been made to look like nothing more than a killing machine who John Cena can't beat. Kane at one time got this same push but that was 13 years ago. Now he's just another guy on the roster. I have no idea how anyone can say that Kane is better at anything than Sheamous other than being recognizable and honestly without that mask he isn't that recognizable even though he's spent 8 years without it and only five with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsplex Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Personally, I don't like Sheamus because I'm not very happy with his mic work. It's that simple. Sheamus has grown on me somewhat since his first title win, but his mic work leaves a bit to be desired. Not that male managers figure in the WWE a great deal anymore, but Sheamus could really benefit from someone else handling most of the work on the stick. Not a silent monster, but one who at least has someone else to do some of his talking for him, that way he'd be a bit less exposed. Still, he's not awful by any stretch. Interesting RAW this week. Credit to the WWE recently, for the first time in probably about 2-3 years, RAW has me anticipating the next episode and going out of my way to watch the past couple of weeks. The NXT angle is moving a little too quickly up the gears for my liking, but only so much is that I'm enjoying it, so I'd rather the stages were stretched out a little more. There were a few confusing aspects to their shift in characters - like Eisen-verse, the 'apology' didn't sit right, but that was somewhat neutralised by the Vinnie Mac beatdown. Vince taking credit fits his character as well as having the obvious motive of getting some revenge on Bret, so that didn't bother me too much. I guess the twist that Vince was being 'used' is available, otherwise it was pretty naive to make such a claim and assume the rookies would just play along. Still this week we had more questions than answers, so I'm happy in that respect I'm liking the mystery GM as it adds a nice layer of mystery to proceedings as well as saving the increasing amount of camera time Bret was taking up - hopefully they'll string this along for a while longer yet. Also, I see potential in Dibiase/Maryse. BTW, the mystery GM is Mike Adamle. Apologies for the lack of spoiler tags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Celt Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I like Sheamus as a character and I actually like his mic work I really really don't like how he's been booked. If he's a monster heel, why does he spend so much of his time sneak attacking and winning off of flukes? Why did he run from Kane last week? Basically, i guess its more of an issue with the E's policy of making it's heels look weak no matter what, but I'd be a much bigger fan of Sheamus if he was booked to match his look. Sheamus' booking isn't that bad; Won the WWE Championship after less than 3 months on RAW, Has never, even been pinned by John Cena on television or PPV and he's the monster who took out the legendary game, Triple H before public boasting his ass off about it. I think it's that his character pretty much doesn't pick a fight he can't win, say like against the nexus, seeing as how you can't beat 7 on 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juggaloninjalee Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Kane had what 1 World Title run? For a day? I feel like he deserved more. I can agree his ring work isn't as good as it used to be and his character has been booked to have weaknesses. HOWEVER I don't think it would be tough for his character to be back to a wrecking machine like before. Sheamus is nothing special to me. Don't know if he ever will be but right now he is nothing more than another big guy on the roster. I am aware they like his work and are booking him as more. So maybe he will grow on me. I can think of a few guys to be better top heels though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Kane may have deserved one ages ago, not anymore. Why give him one now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Because I don't like Flair and I do like Triple H. He wouldn't be my first choice to break the record but he's a damn sight closer than anyone else so he'll do randy orton is hardly 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Celt" data-cite="The Celt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sheamus' booking isn't that bad; Won the WWE Championship after less than 3 months on RAW, Has never, even been pinned by John Cena on television or PPV and he's the monster who took out the legendary game, Triple H before public boasting his ass off about it. <p> </p><p> I think it's that his character pretty much doesn't pick a fight he can't win, say like against the nexus, seeing as how you can't beat 7 on 1.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The first title win and subsequent reign was a joke. He didn't look like a legit until his feud with Trips. </p><p> </p><p> Honestly, other than Trips, I can't recall the last clean win he's had over a big name main eventer.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I'm not a Sheamus supporter, but he's a heel, why does he need clean wins? If anyone's going to take Flair's record, I'd rather it be Angle honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm not a Sheamus supporter, but he's a heel, why does he need clean wins?<p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think big bruising monster heel types work best if they look legitimately dangerous through beating people cleanly. Even if they cheat, it shouldn't be the "sneaky, devious" cheat. </p><p> </p><p> Just MONTH but a monster heel has to seem dangerous or else why have that look?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm not a Sheamus supporter, but he's a heel, why does he need clean wins?<p> </p><p> If anyone's going to take Flair's record, I'd rather it be Angle honestly.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> but we're speaking realistically</p><p> </p><p> Angle probably wont count if it's all in TNA</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <p>Just My Opinion</p><p> </p><p> Sorry. My blackberry corrected that to MONTH</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <p>IMO, it was a great move having them apologize. Because the attack at the end of the show made them look much more cunning. They were hinting during that apology that they would stop their shenanigans and change their tune, then in ruthless fashion they go right back to their antics at the end of the show, reaching to a climax by assaulting the chairman.</p><p> </p><p> If there was no apology, they would've just came in the show, either say nothing or talk trash/call someone out in the ring, and pull this at the end of the show - yeah, problem is we've seen that for two weeks already. Would've gotten cringingly redundant. The apology puts things in another aspect; either they're conflicted, or in-between the segments they issued an even bigger agenda for themselves which they will address next week, etc.</p><p> </p><p> And I also love Sheamus. I thought we'd see the beginning of something great when he first won the title.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisen-verse Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>IMO, it was a great move having them apologize. Because the attack at the end of the show made them look much more cunning. They were hinting during that apology that they would stop their shenanigans and change their tune, then in ruthless fashion they go right back to their antics at the end of the show, reaching to a climax by assaulting the chairman.<p> </p><p> If there was no apology, they would've just came in the show, either say nothing or talk trash/call someone out in the ring, and pull this at the end of the show - yeah, problem is we've seen that for two weeks already. Would've gotten cringingly redundant. The apology puts things in another aspect; either they're conflicted, or in-between the segments they issued an even bigger agenda for themselves which they will address next week, etc.</p><p> </p><p> And I also love Sheamus. I thought we'd see the beginning of something great when he first won the title.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family:Tahoma;">That was my thought; but, I don't trust the WWE to go that far into character development to be honest. haha. </span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonmack Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <p>WWE character development isn't all that complicated. Suck up to Vince, be related to him, or have a stereotypical big muscle build, you get pushed and pushed hard.</p><p> </p><p> Piss Vince off somehow, then you get buried, even if he has to wait for years for the opportunity to humiliate you.</p><p> </p><p> Now there are exceptions to the first part for people with undeniable star power and charisma, ie. HBK, the Rock, Stone Cold, Edge, or who had been good company people for a long time, Bradshaw, Jericho, Eddy Guerrero. But Vince's m.o. has been fairly standard since he took the WWE national in the 80's.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dragonmack" data-cite="Dragonmack" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Now there are exceptions to the first part for people with undeniable star power and charisma, ie. HBK, the Rock, Stone Cold, Edge, or who had been good company people for a long time, Bradshaw, Jericho, Eddy Guerrero. But Vince's m.o. has been fairly standard since he took the WWE national in the 80's.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> move edge to company side, took him a decade to get his first world title</p><p> </p><p> also HBK was part of the Kliq, so that probably had a part in it too</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Are you confusing politics for character development? I'm sorta jumping in mid-conversation, but... huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Are you confusing politics for character development? I'm sorta jumping in mid-conversation, but... huh?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> wait, I was confusing politics with pushes, which I was confusing with character development</p><p> </p><p> BUT most of the time you only get time for character development if you are reliving a push</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganRodzen Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Linsolv" data-cite="Linsolv" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Personally, I don't like Sheamus because I'm not very happy with his mic work. It's that simple.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Did you watch RAW last night? I've hated Sheamus because of the massive push he received but he's started go grow on me. His promo from last night with McMahon was awesome. Getting the crowd to think he was really going to give up the title because he wasn't happy with how he won it. He had them in the palm of his hands and I thought it was awesome. It was the first time I've enjoyed a Sheamus promo. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <p>most people don't like him on the mic largely because of his accent</p><p> </p><p> but I like sheamus all around. He just needs to hang out with orton to get his bronze on</p><p> </p><p> and smoke the tree...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Celt Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <p>Big Sheamie has stated for the reason he's going to keep the pale look, going so far as to protect himself from tanning of any sort by wearing factor 100 sunscreeen.</p><p> </p><p> It's that unique look baby! <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <p>I posted this in the MMA thread, but I guess it's relevant here too...sombody just told me that Dave Batista legit took a kicking from Booker T. Anybody know if there is any truth to this, especially any documented quotes?</p><p> </p><p> Ta <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Celt Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Booker T's victory in the fight with Batista has earn him extra lockerroom respect. One source stated that Booker T dominated Batista due to having more street fighting experience.<p> </p><p> Booker T did take a very personal verbal shot at Batista, however, one source said that it did not come until the situation became very heated. No one blames Booker T for what he did, as the general feeling backstage is that Batista has become very arrogant since wining the World Title.</p><p> </p><p> The latest on the Booker T-Batista fight at the commercial shoot for Summerslam 2006 is that it was real. Batista's face was apparently cut up after the incident with Booker T having a black eye that was visible on SmackDown! last week. A close friend of Batista informed everyone it was a work, but many speculate it is just so Batista can save face since Booker T was the clear winner of the fight.</p><p> </p><p> Batista was supposedly rubbing people the wrong way while talking about how SmackDown!'s ratings has dropped since he's been gone and basically making it like he was the only attraction on SmackDown! The SmackDown! locker room has always had heat on Batista since Batista did interviews where he would be praising the RAW show and putting down SmackDown! to great lengths. Many have gone so far as to say that JBL sand-bagged his three matches with Batista as a way of paying him back for the insults. Batista did hang out with Eddie Guerrero backstage shortly before his death and that won him over some friends, but the fact that Batista thinks he's a star as big as The Rock or Steve Austin doesn't help matters. Batista does not carry himself backstage like Triple H or The Undertaker, but he does act superior to midcard veterans who have yet to receive a main-event opportunity as he did.</p><p> </p><p> WWE.com reported that the fight lasted five minutes, though the brawl itself only lasted thirty seconds. From the time the argument started till they were broken up though, five minutes had passed. Booker T got into an argument with Batista over his comments and Booker T apparently gave him many opportunities to back off, as he's a laid back person by everyone's standards, but Batista kept going with the argument. Rey Mysterio was there during the argument trying to act as a peacemaker as he most often does backstage and after the fight, the roster shot Batista many dirty looks which left Batista visibly upset since no one stuck up for him.</p><p> </p><p> So far, neither wrestlers has been punished or reprimanded.</p><p> </p><p> Source: pwrestlingnews.com </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Circa. 2006</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNAfan123 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 I read something not long ago that Yoshi beat down Sheamus when they were roomates because of Sheamus not respecting Yoshi's stuff if I find a article I'll post that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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