Jaysin Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Pretty sure he's a legit Paul Heyman guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Is that a thing now? Every wrestler Paul Heyman shows an interest in gets magical powers that make them special and different to everyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 There's always been Paul Heyman guys. There's a ton of articles on wwe.com where Heyman talks about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Is that a thing now? Every wrestler Paul Heyman shows an interest in gets magical powers that make them special and different to everyone else? Before yesterday, Paul Heyman manages two wrestlers in the WWE. Brock Lesnar and CM Punk. Neither needed Paul to make them special or different. Both frequently lose big match. I dont think a Heyman connection equals magical powers. But if you'd like to expand on your thoughts I'm happy to listen. Heyman cuts the best heel promos on the roster if you take Punk away. Why not give Joe Henning a rub and capitalize on it? The book on Henning all this time is that he's one of the best workers on the entire roster but never seemed to click with the fans. Punk definitely suffered from similar lack of crowd connections at varying points in his WWE career (which is totally glossed over in his DVD lol where they tried to make it seem liek the crowd always loved Punk but the backstage politics prevented him from going forward). I think a talented mouthpiece like Heyman can do nothing but great things for a young worker that needs that connection. It's not like Henning CANT talk, its just that when he does no one cares. So maybe this helps puts him over for awhile. Maybe it sucks! who knows? All I know is we're treated to greatness. Heyman talking for a worker like Henning makes me "very excite". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Also, this: http://www.wzronline.com/wrestling-news/why-is-curtis-axel-getting-a-major-push-details.html Apparently he's been a "Triple H guy" all along, which makes sense. On Opie and Anthony's post show Triple H has put Henning over on several occasions. I slightly disagree with the article saying it didn't help him bmuch not beating H clean. I think they are building to something. A clean pin would have been nice for Curtis Axel, but what if its building towards a nice feud with a decent PPV match? Doesn't that help out the younger worrker moreso than a clean pin on Raw? And would anyone have bought it? I mean Jey Uso could come out an pin John Cena tomorrow night but all that's really gonna do is make people hate Cena more. I don't see that helping H much at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 <p>I just find it weird how the term has caught on. CM Punk says it in a promo, and suddenly it's like this new badge of honour to be called a "Paul Heyman Guy". As far as I can tell, all it means is that Heyman likes you, and was willing to fight for you when he had pull backstage. I'm sure under those criteria you could point at half the roster as 'legit' Paul Heyman guys.</p><p> </p><p> I like Heyman. I like McGuillicutty. Probably a good move to put them together. It's just... that term. Especially when people are going to be discussing who's "really" a Paul Heyman Guy and who was just "called" a Paul Heyman Guy on the show because WWE wanted to push them. As though the terms really means something. This is not just my overreaction to the above conversation. That's just the straw. The camel's back was close to breaking weeks ago. Too many of my friends own the "Paul Heyman Guy" shirt. </p><p> </p><p> So yeah, no problem with the angle. Purely a vocabulary issue.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 <p>Wait</p><p> </p><p> people really wanted HIM to beat HHH?</p><p> </p><p> CLEAN?</p><p> </p><p> ON RAW?</p><p> </p><p> The MF'n internet these days</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wait<p> </p><p> people really wanted HIM to beat HHH?</p><p> </p><p> CLEAN?</p><p> </p><p> ON RAW?</p><p> </p><p> The MF'n internet these days</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think we should just be satisfied that Triple H didn't decide to break out the shovel and play grave digger. . <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just find it weird how the term has caught on. CM Punk says it in a promo, and suddenly it's like this new badge of honour to be called a "Paul Heyman Guy". As far as I can tell, all it means is that Heyman likes you, and was willing to fight for you when he had pull backstage. I'm sure under those criteria you could point at half the roster as 'legit' Paul Heyman guys.<p> </p><p> I like Heyman. I like McGuillicutty. Probably a good move to put them together. It's just... that term. Especially when people are going to be discussing who's "really" a Paul Heyman Guy and who was just "called" a Paul Heyman Guy on the show because WWE wanted to push them. As though the terms really means something. This is not just my overreaction to the above conversation. That's just the straw. The camel's back was close to breaking weeks ago. Too many of my friends own the "Paul Heyman Guy" shirt. </p><p> </p><p> So yeah, no problem with the angle. Purely a vocabulary issue.</p></div></blockquote><p> WWE.com has a whole little section about "Paul Heyman guys", to include some of their match's and promos. Looks like it's actually written by Paul Heyman. I skimmed through it, and some of the people you should expect are on there... Big Show, Miz, Taz, Rey Mysterio, Steve Austin, Rick Rude, but there are quite a few if you want to check it out. </p><p> </p><p> I get what your saying though. It "feels" like this is just something WWE creative is having him do to help someone get over that might not otherwise be able to do so on their own. If you go skim that article though, it kind of takes that kind of major impact out of your head. The list is pretty long...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wait<p> </p><p> people really wanted HIM to beat HHH?</p><p> </p><p> CLEAN?</p><p> </p><p> ON RAW?</p><p> </p><p> The MF'n internet these days</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> People think (wrongly), that the faster new guys are beating people like HHH, Cena, Orton, or whomever is at the top, the faster the new guys will rise up the card. I don't know why a group that is supposed to be "in the know" would think that way, but it's been going on forever.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonedSuperman Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>People think (wrongly), that the faster new guys are beating people like HHH, Cena, Orton, or whomever is at the top, the faster the new guys will rise up the card. I don't know why a group that is supposed to be "in the know" would think that way, but it's been going on forever.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> TEW Style!!!!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just find it weird how the term has caught on. CM Punk says it in a promo, and suddenly it's like this new badge of honour to be called a "Paul Heyman Guy". As far as I can tell, all it means is that Heyman likes you, and was willing to fight for you when he had pull backstage. I'm sure under those criteria you could point at half the roster as 'legit' Paul Heyman guys.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> WWE loves their catchphrases. If they trend on social media all the better. Not just catchphrases but stuff like Fandango's theme song. They almost killed his heel momentum trying to make a big deal of that.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wait<p> </p><p> people really wanted HIM to beat HHH?</p><p> </p><p> CLEAN?</p><p> </p><p> ON RAW?</p><p> </p><p> The MF'n internet these days</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I thought Axel would win dirty or something. Certainly didn't expect what happened. HHH sold that concussion or whatever it was as good as Lesnar sold his knee injury at ER. The debut itself was surprising enough, so there's not need for WWE to rush this feud.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 <p>Finally got around to watching parts of Raw and reading recaps for the rest. I know this is old hat, but seriously... Triple H is the worst. He's the most unsympathetic babyface since ever, and he seamlessly goes from not getting sympathy in that Brock feud to a concussion storyline? And, oh, by the way, your current #2 champion is out right now with a concussion. But Triple H is so tough and so cool and cares so much about ~THIS BUSINESS~ that he won't let a little thing like that stop him! So he proceeds to interrupt new guy, slap him without repercussion, then easily handle the match for awhile but then oh no that concussion got him. Does it cause him to get pinned in the ring after getting hit with a finisher? Of course not! We basically stop everything to do serious voices while the crowd chants "TRI-PLE-H" in Hunter's own mind and nowhere else. </p><p> </p><p> Meanwhile, let's close out the show with that mess, and not an amazing six man tag match that features at least 3 wrestlers that could convincingly main event pay per views (and Kofi!) and features great action, because... Triple H, part-time legend is a much bigger name than all those guys. </p><p> </p><p> Seriously Hunter, you're not Shawn Michaels. You will never have that connection that he had with the crowd. Ever. Stop trying to be cool new step-dad and just realize that you're always gonna be in his shadow because Shawn Michaels was better than you at everything except tearing muscles off his body and spitting water. Just turn heel already. Use the actual resentment that everyone already has in your favor and stop fishing for sympathy.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bull" data-cite="Bull" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think we should just be satisfied that Triple H didn't decide to break out the shovel and play grave digger. . <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <span>http://www.boredwrestlingfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/X3lvD.gif</span></p><p> </p><p> or this one?</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6228/triplehshovelz.gif</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 <p>I won't spoil NXT but everyone with an interest in Sami Zayn needs to watch it. The creative team gave him the debut he deserved. I can see him becoming a crowd favorite pretty quick.</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://25.media.tumblr.com/0a32981c259037a36e4f68e5888a62a8/tumblr_ml2b61aiSM1rqu47to1_500.png</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberious Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I won't spoil NXT but everyone with an interest in Sami Zayn needs to watch it. The creative team gave him the debut he deserved. I can see him becoming a crowd favorite pretty quick. I'll second this. It was a great debut, and an awesome show in general. I don't normally watch NXT, but I may have to now given how great an episode that was. Much better than any raw in recent memory, and William Regal does an awesome job on commentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Can one legally watch NXT in the US? It's not on WWE's site or anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightnick Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Can one legally watch NXT in the US? It's not on WWE's site or anything It's on Hulu + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Midnightnick" data-cite="Midnightnick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's on Hulu +</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah it's not exactly "legal" but bollyrulez.net puts up mirrors on dailymotion for pretty much every show.</p><p> </p><p> I usually watch NXT from there and episodes of main event that sound intriguing, in addition to SD since it's usually up hours before it airs in the US and I can get it without commercials, or wasting a friday night</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I won't spoil NXT but everyone with an interest in Sami Zayn needs to watch it. The creative team gave him the debut he deserved. I can see him becoming a crowd favorite pretty quick.<p> </p><p> <span>http://25.media.tumblr.com/0a32981c259037a36e4f68e5888a62a8/tumblr_ml2b61aiSM1rqu47to1_500.png</span></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That picture made my year.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 <p>Sami Zayn's debut didn't thrill me. Take away the epic 15+ minute matches with a billion high spots and outrageous nearfalls and... I dunno. Unlike PAC's debut, I didn't see much special in him.</p><p> </p><p> Glad he's getting this chance though. Massive fan of his indy work.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Finally watching Raw. Heyman said CM Punk came out to no reaction when he debuted on ECW in 2006...Uhhh, Paul, the crowd was chanting "CM Punk" the second his music hit and there were CM Punk signs every where. Axel's music is awesome. His beard is awesome. With the beard he actually looks like a combination of Curt and Larry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 They purposely debuted Punk in his market though. There was a CM PUNK banner hanging up and he hadn't wrestled one televised match yet. It was a pretty smark heavy crowd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They purposely debuted Punk in his market though. There was a CM PUNK banner hanging up and he hadn't wrestled one televised match yet. It was a pretty smark heavy crowd</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> True, but is does directly contradict Heyman. He was also pretty darn over at Survivor Series 2006, his first PPV appearance, considering the crowd was chanting for him while he was in the ring with DX and the Hardy Boyz.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitsukaikira Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That picture made my year.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed. It's the best thing I've seen so far. Steen = awesome.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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