mystic Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I think it would be a fun project to make a list of who we would cut. Since we're all smarky. The List Now: Men: Abyss AJ Styles Alex Shelley Amazing Red Brian Kendrick Brutus Magnus Bubba Chris Sabin Consequences Creed D'Angelo Dinero Daniels Desmond Wolfe Don West Doug Williams Dr. Stevie Eric Bischoff Eric Young Generation Me (for some reason, listed as one person on the Roster page) Hernandez Homicide Hulk Hogan James Storm Jay Lethal Jeff Hardy Jeff Jarett Jeremy Borash Jesse Neal Jimmy Hart Kazarian Kevin Nash Kiyoshi Kurt Angle Matt Morgan Mr. Anderson Nasty Boys (Again, listed as one person) Orlando Jones Raven Rhino Rick Flair Rob Terry Rob Van Dam Robert Roode Samoa Joe Scott Hall Sean Waltman Shannon Moore Shark Boy Sting Suicide Team 3D (Weird. Wonder why Sabin and Shelley got separate pages, then...) Tomko Women: Angelina Love Christy Hemme Daffney Hamada Lacey von Erich Madison Rayne ODB Sarita So Cal Val Tara Taylor Wilde Velvet Sky (I left off announcers, but kept on-screen personalities. And Don West, because he is in those stupid damn commercials.) I also think it's interesting that the Women's roster is SO much shorter, and yet very nearly every woman has a reasonably large fanbase. As opposed to the men's side, where a lot of people are getting lost in the shuffle. Based on this list I would let go of Brian Kendrick Bubba Dr. Stevie Jesse Neal Jimmy Hart Kiyoshi Nasty Boys (Again, listed as one person) Orlando Jones Rob Terry Scott Hall Shark Boy Suicide Lacey von Erich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I just read a report that said since January TNA has ballooned to SEVENTY wrestlers. That has to be close to what the WWE has on its active roster with three brands, three television shows and multiple house shows a night. This includes high priced guys like Flair, RVD, Hardy, Kennedy, etc. Plus they got the expensive of going live every night as well as apparently running ads during Monday Night RAW and doing advertising in Times Square. With all of these expenses ratings are the lowest they have been in four years and there has been barely a noticeable bump in house show and merchandise sales. Even if TNA is heading in the right direction creatively these are some valid points there is no way TNA should have an active roster of 70 workers. BTW props Stennick for not adding that financial troubles bs tagline that was added to that info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 The blair witch comment was in reference to the aborted Blonde Bitch Project. REMEMBER YOUR HISTORY FOLKS! You might like to separate two different thoughts into their own sentences next time. And yeah, the Blond Bitch project was *such* a hot angle I agree that Pirate Burchill was awesome, but it really is only hearsay that "Vince didn't know what PotC was". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Based on this list I would let go of Brian Kendrick Bubba Dr. Stevie Jesse Neal Jimmy Hart Kiyoshi Nasty Boys (Again, listed as one person) Orlando Jones Rob Terry Scott Hall Shark Boy Suicide Lacey von Erich Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Suicide isn't an actual worker. It was Kaz & Daniels working under the mask, wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I've just started watching TNA but I'm fairly certain they have a third guy playing Suicide now, some Japanese guy? Thats what I've taken from this thread when talking of the "jap" as Hyde so nicely put it and all this talk of Suicide 3 which to me would indicate a third man playing the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Suicide isn't an actual worker. It was Kaz & Daniels working under the mask, wasn't it? Right. But he was problaly talking about the japanese guy they have on loan who also weared it, if i'm not mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Can't speak for him, but when I mentioned cutting Suicide, I meant the concept, the character. I also want to cut Kiyoshi, the guy I think is rumoured to be getting the gimmick next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I think the hard truth is that to get the most out of the roster, you HAVE to cut some talent. Not everyone can be a main eventer. You want to book concise, straightforward, well thought out storylines then you probably have to get down to 30-35 active guys. That means you probably have to release some long time favorites like Hernandez, Daniels, Joe, Team 3D, Rhino, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I think it would be a fun project to make a list of who we would cut. Since we're all smarky. The List Now: Men: Abyss AJ Styles Alex Shelley Amazing Red Brian Kendrick Brutus Magnus Bubba Chris Sabin Consequences Creed D'Angelo Dinero Daniels Desmond Wolfe Don West Doug Williams Dr. Stevie Eric Bischoff Eric Young Generation Me (for some reason, listed as one person on the Roster page) Hernandez Homicide Hulk Hogan James Storm Jay Lethal Jeff Hardy Jeff Jarett Jeremy Borash Jesse Neal Jimmy Hart Kazarian Kevin Nash Kiyoshi Kurt Angle Matt Morgan Mr. Anderson Nasty Boys (Again, listed as one person) Orlando Jones Raven Rhino Rick Flair Rob Terry Rob Van Dam Robert Roode Samoa Joe Scott Hall Sean Waltman Shannon Moore Shark Boy Sting Suicide Team 3D (Weird. Wonder why Sabin and Shelley got separate pages, then...) Tomko Women: Angelina Love Christy Hemme Daffney Hamada Lacey von Erich Madison Rayne ODB Sarita So Cal Val Tara Taylor Wilde Velvet Sky (I left off announcers, but kept on-screen personalities. And Don West, because he is in those stupid damn commercials.) I also think it's interesting that the Women's roster is SO much shorter, and yet very nearly every woman has a reasonably large fanbase. As opposed to the men's side, where a lot of people are getting lost in the shuffle. Here is who I would get rid of: So Cal Val, Shark Boy, Scott Hall, Sean Waltman, Nasty Boys, Jesse Neal, Jimmy Hart and Don West. In the case of Val, Shark Boy, Don West, and Jesse Neal they do not really use them. Val just pumps up the crowd and looks pretty so what is the reason to keep her around? The rest I just dislike and I think that there time has passed in regards to drawing in the fans of giving good matches. Well I don't hate Jimmy Hart but you get rid of the Nasty Boys, you should get rid of him as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Can't speak for him, but when I mentioned cutting Suicide, I meant the concept, the character. I also want to cut Kiyoshi, the guy I think is rumoured to be getting the gimmick next. No way would I cut Suicide. He's a very unique asset for TNA in this period of change. Being a character concept rather than a living, breathing man, Suicide can be an agent of stability that you don't even have to pay. As such, Suicide is a figure they should capitalize on. If this transition period goes as they hope, the average viewer isn't going to notice all the turnover behind the mask he came on the scene. They won't know the shuffle from Kazarian to Daniels to Kiyoshi to Air Attack Weasel or whomever comes next. They are just going to notice that Suicide's been a staple of the company. A character with that potential to attain staple status is not to sneezed at this stage in TNA's history. Like him or hate him as a character, TNA needs Suicide far too much to cut him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linsolv Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I'd cut: Men: Bubba Don West Dr. Stevie Jeremy Borash Jesse Neal Jimmy Hart Kazarian Kevin Nash Kiyoshi Nasty Boys Orlando Jones Raven Rick Flair Rob Terry Scott Hall Sean Waltman Shark Boy Suicide Team 3D Tomko Women: Keep all NB: Weird thing is that I hate women's wrestling, most of the time. I find it to be boring. But I think that the women's side is manageable right now. I decided that I had to keep Hogan, Bischoff, etc. Because they're in charge. Incidentally, you'll notice that I cut 2 tag teams (though, Knobbs and Saggs...), and I think you'd have to replenish that by really trying to put some new teams over. And maybe you could use someone other than MCMG to do it. Like, I dunno, Generation Me. Or a couple singles MEs that are just together for one night. Also, I kept Eric Young because I think that he could be good enough, at least midcard, if he weren't running around acting like a retard and being treated like a 5 year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I would cut... Men: Amazing Red- with all his runs they've yet to make me care about him Brian Kendrick- useless as he is, bring in London as a tag and he can stay Brutus Magnus- he is the lone wolf of the Invasion angle Bubba Dr. Stevie Eric Bischoff- him being on TV isn't drawing as much hype as he is being paid Eric Young- sorry bud your times run out, too many gimmicks and hes a nothing now Generation Me- hate them. Hulk Hogan- him being on TV isn't drawing as much hype as he is being paid Jay Lethal- his macho man thing has run its course Jesse Neal Jimmy Hart Kiyoshi Nasty Boys Scott Hall Sean Waltman Shannon Moore Shark Boy Suicide #3 and charcter, it was only there to promote the game Tomko, just a big jobber and is probably getting paid too much for it Shawn Stasiak Ken Doane Bold= future signings Women: Christy Hemme Daffney (have a feeling she will be a one trick poney and they will cut her by year end) ODB (looks like shes on her way out anyways after her boob pop) Sarita Since that's alot of people cut, some people I want back... Austin Aries- love him, very charismatic wish he was bigger Roderick Strong- Great in ring worker, love the backbreakers Tyler Black- CM Punk'esque look, would like him given a shot Trent Acid- Always loved him and he'd be a great X-division guy since I dont think him and Kashmere tag anymore Petey Williams- Worst booking in TNA EVER, if anything his finisher is such an asset to them since WWE does NOTHING even CLOSE Chase Stevens- With Douglas retired I think they could be bring him back as singles worker in this new era, I love his intensity live and think is a solid, solid, solid worker. Kid Kash- Best X- Division heel in TNA history Monty Brown (I can dream ) Samoa Joe I think alot of those guys have been gone so long the new audience wouldn't even really know them while the TNA loyalists would embrace them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 I swear virtually EVERYONE, literally, has switched alignments since I last watched, which I think was around christmas, or maybe summer...whenever the show was that ended with that brawl everyone get so hyped about. Young was head of the world elite, Nash talking about money, now they're a face team...Morgan was a big focus...Angle a bad guy...AJ a good guy...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Shawn Stasiak Ken Doane Bold= future signings Shawn 'freakin' Stasiak? Why the hell are they signing him anyway? Good Lord! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 he's said he is making a return to wrestling and wants to be in TNA, haven't heard anything on it from TNA but it wouldn't surprise, I'm just preparing myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 SELF! READ THIS http://pwinsider.com/article/46243/tna-gets-press-for-having-the-first-openly-bisexual-wrestler-impact-spoiler-warning.html?p=1 unless you dont want an Impact spoiler of an angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 SELF! READ THIS http://pwinsider.com/article/46243/tna-gets-press-for-having-the-first-openly-bisexual-wrestler-impact-spoiler-warning.html?p=1 unless you dont want an Impact spoiler of an angle. Oh goody. Guess it explains what his value to the company is supposed to be. The ole Bischoff Controversy Creates Cash theory. Had thought he'd follow Morley out the door as little as he's been used so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOmniWarrior Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Men: Abyss Has no real reason being in TNA right now. Monster Face = BAD. AJ Styles Alex Shelley Amazing Red He just seems like generic underdog #9001 to me. Brian Kendrick Booking him wrong Brutus Magnus I personally get nothing from him Bubba No reason for this... SPONGE here. Chris Sabin Consequences Creed Hasnt been used in a while D'Angelo Dinero Daniels Desmond Wolfe Don West Doug Williams Dr. Stevie Daffney doesnt need him. He needs Daffney. Eric Bischoff Eric Young Generation Me (for some reason, listed as one person on the Roster page) Hernandez Homicide Hulk Hogan James Storm Jay Lethal Jeff Hardy Jeff Jarett I never liked Jarett. Ever. Jeremy Borash Jesse Neal Can stay if he turns heel. Jimmy Hart Hes not managing the RIGHT PEOPLE. He needs to manage younger talent who are having trouble getting over IMO. Kazarian Kevin Nash Go away. Please. Kiyoshi I hate suicide, and they dont use Kiyoshi as Kiyoshi so yeah. Kurt Angle Matt Morgan Mr. Anderson Nasty Boys (Again, listed as one person) Do I need a reason here? Orlando Jones Raven Rhino (Lack of use) Rick Flair Rob Terry Clearly on steroids. Barely more watchable than Khali Rob Van Dam Robert Roode Samoa Joe Scott Hall Sean Waltman Retire/Road Agents/Non Wrestler status would be fine. Shannon Moore Shark Boy I doubt he even NEEDS to wrestle as he probably got enough money for life suing that movie company in like 04. 05? Sting Suicide A video game character Team 3D (Weird. Wonder why Sabin and Shelley got separate pages, then...) Tomko Women: Angelina Love Christy Hemme Daffney Hamada Lacey von Erich Madison Rayne ODB Sarita So Cal Val Tara Taylor Wilde Velvet Sky (I left off announcers, but kept on-screen personalities. And Don West, because he is in those stupid damn commercials.) Firings in bold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Women: Christy Hemme Daffney (have a feeling she will be a one trick poney and they will cut her by year end) ODB (looks like shes on her way out anyways after her boob pop) Sarita I don't get it. For a division that's supposed to be 'anti-Diva' and centered around women that can work, you KEEP the in-ring deadweight (Lacey Von Erich) but cut one of the best women workers in the world? And don't use the excuse that she's in the Beautiful People so is somehow irreplaceable. You can get any vapid, "hot" blonde and plug them right in (that's how Lacey got in, after all). Who I'd cut: Amazing Red Brian Kendrick (as someone else said, with Paul London, he'd have value) Brutus Magnus Bubba Doug Williams Dr. Stevie Eric Bischoff Eric Young Generation Me Hulk Hogan Jesse Neal Jimmy Hart Kevin Nash Nasty Boys (Again, listed as one person) Do I need a reason here? Orlando Jones Rhino (Lack of use) Rick Flair Rob Terry Scott Hall Sean Waltman Shark Boy Tomko Women: Christy Hemme Lacey von Erich ODB So Cal Val Traci Brooks (if she's still under contract) There, that would allow for a much tighter booking strategy. You have a fully stocked X-Division AND tag team scene, and the singles picture is a lot less muddled. You can phase out the Global title (since it has no purpose) and alternate presences with your storylines (match one week, promos the next, and repeat). You can have 4-8 people offscreen at a time, for repackaging, without harming the onscreen product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 SELF! READ THIS http://pwinsider.com/article/46243/tna-gets-press-for-having-the-first-openly-bisexual-wrestler-impact-spoiler-warning.html?p=1 unless you dont want an Impact spoiler of an angle. Seriously? These guys won't get their act straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Traci has been gone for a while now and Bisch is working on renaming and or rededicating the Global title. What is with the cutting of Sharky? He is a sympathy jobber and you do need those guys. He generates more sympathy then Yang and Funaki and is a better wrestler then them imho. As an undercard worker used once in a blue moon for a squash he is fine. Brutus is also fine in the tag scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 SELF! READ THIS http://pwinsider.com/article/46243/tna-gets-press-for-having-the-first-openly-bisexual-wrestler-impact-spoiler-warning.html?p=1 unless you dont want an Impact spoiler of an angle. Afraid this might happen http://ui08.gamespot.com/2119/doublefacepalm_2.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Seriously? These guys won't get their act straight. I see what you did there... I wouldn't have a problem with the Bi thing if they did it right but WWE started to do it and failed and this angle looks as stupid on tv as reads then just...wow. This is how I would do it, take it leave hate w/e. first, I dont think it should be so obvious that he is bi, dancing kinda iffy giving cute smiles and winks, plus its rumored his life style helped get him fired from the 'E then he had pictures on MySpace making out with guys, so the cats already out of the bag. Second, have him actually on TV and winning, then have his "friends" be on TV with him, and dont have it be a guy so stereotyped and out there. Third, instead of focusing around OJ, have the friends fight for his attention over a couple of weeks, i.e. leaving the arena with one, hugging one after a win and not the other, etc. etc. Fourth, have the friends have a match with OJ as the guest ref, there are two ways you can then go, either the girl or guy wins and he embraces them Fifth, since this is a bi storyline to begin with, we assume in step 4 he picks the guy, you can then have a wrestler attack him for his "choices" and then they feud, giving the whole bi thing an actual lead in purpose to something else. Is it perfect? No, I've said before when I talk about booking I dont claim to be awesome. However I think this way provides some entertainment while focusing on the wrestler instead of him being Bi and wouldn't come across offensive to either side, and lets be honest, since this whole thing is to create controversy you know its going to be offensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 If you HAD to do it, then that is a decent way of doing it Jester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0shey Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Orlando Jordan's new gimmick pics http://www.tnawrestlingnews.com/images/galleries/jordannewgimmick/slideshow.pl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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