Official NFL Discussion Thread

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="slack" data-cite="slack" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I really think it would be cool to see a team in Vegas. The NFL won't do it, due to their strong stance on gambling.<p> </p><p> I don't see why a team would move to LA, sure it's a HUGE market, but haven't we been down this road before? (Rams and Raiders)</p><p> </p><p> Two of the teams you mentioned (Chargers and Raiders) are already in California and they don't seem to be getting support. Why would LA support a team now, when they didn't 15 years ago? This isn't like Cleveland, where they lost a team that meant SO much to them as a city. </p><p> </p><p> Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't see another LA move as a great idea.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're probably wrong <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> One..those LA teams were in bad stadiums with bad leases. They ALWAYShad tons of supprt; their issue was money and property based.</p><p> </p><p> For the Raiders, Al also made some bad moves financially that left him strapped for cash and the stadium was in the worst part of the city. </p><p> </p><p> The Rams were actually in Anaheim (before money got big in the OC) and if they'd waited a while probably would've got a new stadium in the same area where the Angels are. </p><p> </p><p> The new stadium being built would include several sweetheart deals involving the sponsors and the property in the area, and the TV revenue for any of those teams would go up radically.</p><p> </p><p> There's literally no downside to moving team to LA because all the jerk politicians who tried to get someone to go to downtown or renovate The Coliseum have been shoved aside.</p>

[Imarevenant]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Comradebot" data-cite="Comradebot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><span>http://pyleoflist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/one-yard-short.jpg</span><p> </p><p> </p><p> Happiest moment of my life.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well my happiest sports related moment was when the Yankees won the 1996 World Series. However, for football it had to be the Giants beating the Patriots in the Super Bowl. I had a leg injury at the time but I jumped out of my bed in excitement. The dejected look on Tom Brady's face was priceless. Most of all, I knew that all of the Patriots "fans" (most were Dolphins fans in the 80's) that I had to deal with could not talk trash.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Mine is easily - </p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12948715" rel="external nofollow">http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12948715</a></p>

[GatorBait19]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="slack" data-cite="slack" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I really think it would be cool to see a team in Vegas. The NFL won't do it, due to their strong stance on gambling.<p> </p><p> I don't see why a team would move to LA, sure it's a HUGE market, but haven't we been down this road before? (Rams and Raiders)</p><p> </p><p> Two of the teams you mentioned (Chargers and Raiders) are already in California and they don't seem to be getting support. Why would LA support a team now, when they didn't 15 years ago? This isn't like Cleveland, where they lost a team that meant SO much to them as a city. </p><p> </p><p> Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't see another LA move as a great idea.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Does Vegas want a Football team? I believe the biggest reason they don't have a big sports franchise is because they leagues would want Nevada to ban them from gambling on that sport or that team. Some one was telling me about how they couldn't vote on the UNLV title run because they are in Vegas. I could be wrong of course because this was just word of mouth.</p>

[GatorBait19]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're probably wrong <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> One..those LA teams were in bad stadiums with bad leases. They ALWAYShad tons of supprt; their issue was money and property based.</p><p> </p><p> For the Raiders, Al also made some bad moves financially that left him strapped for cash and the stadium was in the worst part of the city. </p><p> </p><p> The Rams were actually in Anaheim (before money got big in the OC) and if they'd waited a while probably would've got a new stadium in the same area where the Angels are. </p><p> </p><p> The new stadium being built would include several sweetheart deals involving the sponsors and the property in the area, and the TV revenue for any of those teams would go up radically.</p><p> </p><p> There's literally no downside to moving team to LA because all the jerk politicians who tried to get someone to go to downtown or renovate The Coliseum have been shoved aside.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed. LA has always supported their teams. Hell they even somewhat support the Clippers and Kings still (when the Kings were bad). The have always had problems because similar to the Tampa Bay Rays, they got caught in horrible leases.</p>

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> What happens if MLT's Skins moved somewhere else, or the guy who's a Packers fan what happens if YOUR team moved away would you root for them no matter where they went? Or would you switch to a closer team so that you might have a shot at going to the games and city pride and all that stuff?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> With the Skins it's probably a good question. But the Packers are a poor example. That would probably never happen. The Packers are publically traded and I'd have to think the stockholders would shut it down as many of them are also local fans.</p>

[Comradebot]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>With the Skins it's probably a good question. But the Packers are a poor example. That would probably never happen. The Packers are publically traded and I'd have to think the stockholders would shut it down as many of them are also local fans.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Part of the reason (and argueably the biggest) for them being publically traded is just that: to make sure the Packers never leave Green Bay. It's not exactly what even remotely resembles an almost average sized market, so something had to be done to keep that little piece of history alive.</p>

[Stennick]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>With the Skins it's probably a good question. But the Packers are a poor example. That would probably never happen. The Packers are publically traded and I'd have to think the stockholders would shut it down as many of them are also local fans.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It was more or less a "what if" not many NFL teams leave their cities. In the last two decades we have had the Rams leave LA, the Browns leave Cleveland, the Raiders leave Oakland, and the Oilers leave Houston. </p><p> </p><p> So what four or five teams relocated in the last 25 years I bet? So its not like this is so super common occurance it was just a what if. Although since you seem to be a stickler for realism Brother Cap let me revise it.</p><p> </p><p> What would happen if they shut down the packers and a team popped up in LA looking a lot like them QB'd by Aaron Rodgers. </p><p> </p><p> For example what did Browns fans do when they lost their team? Do you just suddenly become a Steelers or Bengals fan, teams you've hated for decades? Do you just stop rooting for a team, what do you do?</p>

[GruntMark]

<p>To answer some more...</p><p> </p><p>

Between the Oilers leaving and the creation of the Texans, I became a Packers fan.</p><p> </p><p>

Also, a fan of whomever was playing the Oilers/Titans that week.</p>

[GatorBait19]

<p><a href="http://www.dallascowboys.com/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.dallascowboys.com/</a></p><p> </p><p>

for those that didn't know. That is the official Dallas Cowboys website when I googled their homepage. Lol it expired today.</p>

[Stennick]

So could somebody swoop in and buy that website up and then charge Jones out the A _ _ to get it back?

[Imarevenant]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So could somebody swoop in and buy that website up and then charge Jones out the A _ _ to get it back?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They already renewed the domain.</p>

[Stennick]

Damn there goes my get rich quick scheme.

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Damn there goes my get rich quick scheme.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Your plan was shot from the beginning. Although the teams do pay for there sites annually, they have a deal with the hosts (on most cases) to not sell the names to random people.</p>

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> For example what did Browns fans do when they lost their team? Do you just suddenly become a Steelers or Bengals fan, teams you've hated for decades? Do you just stop rooting for a team, what do you do?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well, in our case, you can still find the anti-Modell songs from the late 90's on your file sharing services. A bunch of folks used those late 90's Sundays as honeydew days and waited out the return in '99. Some took an NFC team into their hearts during the layover. Some took up with the Panthers or Jags as they were just coming into existence when our team loss occurred. Fans of old teams like ours don't like bandwagoners. So the ability to get in with a backup team on the ground floor was appealing.</p><p> </p><p> And I wouldn't say we hate the Bengals so much. Yes, there is the Battle of Ohio rivalry. But for the most part the hate is reserved for the Ravens. The hate for the Steelers has died down a good bit since the mid-90's. Their base was sympathetic to ours then and generally still is when the topic of how the Ravens came to be comes up. There's still plenty of trash talk back and forth and both sides want to beat the other badly. It's still very much a rivalry. But it's more respectful now than it once was. The hate now is all for those dirty, foul, disgusting Ratbirds. No question who I'll be rooting for or who's radio cast I'll be listening to on Sirius on Thursday. Go Falcons.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<p>So I could REALLY use some advice. </p><p> </p><p>

In my pay FFB league I have Payton and Eli Manning. Do I start Eli this week and sit Payton? I don't like to sit Payton, but had I started Eli last week I would have won. Hell my Defense made a run for it. Scored me 28 pts.</p>

[Slagaholic]

Start Eli.

[The Final Countdown]

I'd start Peyton, regardless of what happened last week. He's far more reliable, historically.

[Comradebot]

I started Roddy White tonight. Figured, even injured, he's a pretty good WR. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[ShadowedFlames]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Comradebot" data-cite="Comradebot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I started Roddy White tonight. Figured, even injured, he's a pretty good WR. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Especially when he has to cheat to get a touchdown.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd start Peyton, regardless of what happened last week. He's far more reliable, historically.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I know Payton is one of those guys you don't sit no matter what. Just not sure.....</p>

[ShadowedFlames]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I know Payton is one of those guys you don't sit no matter what. Just not sure.....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Peyton's facing a Cincy defense that's fairly decent against the pass, plus he's down quite a few offensive weapons (Collie, Addai, etc.).</p><p> </p><p> Eli's facing the Cowboys, who are atrocious this year.</p><p> </p><p> For what my opinion is worth, MLT, I'd say to start Eli this week. Of course, that sort of thinking is what led me to that 1-11 season I had with you guys my first year there....</p>

[GatorBait19]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ShadowedFlames" data-cite="ShadowedFlames" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Peyton's facing a Cincy defense that's fairly decent against the pass, plus he's down quite a few offensive weapons (Collie, Addai, etc.).<p> </p><p> Eli's facing the Cowboys, who are atrocious this year.</p><p> </p><p> For what my opinion is worth, MLT, I'd say to start Eli this week. Of course, that sort of thinking is what led me to that 1-11 season I had with you guys my first year there....</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Upset of the week, I think the Cowboys upset the Giants. I think Garrett put a fire under their butts. Lol I know this sounds crazy and probably is, but it's my crazy pick of the week.</p>

[GatorBait19]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ShadowedFlames" data-cite="ShadowedFlames" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Especially when he has to cheat to get a touchdown.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Que?</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Que?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm going to say he's commenting on that last play where the defender tried to put his hands on White and Roddy extended and basically pushed him to the ground.</p><p> </p><p> Maybe it's O Pass Interference, but they never call that and more than what Roddy did, Baltimore blew the coverage. You could tell from the DBs reaction he expected safety help.</p><p> </p><p> Atlanta marched 80 yards in under a minute. That's B'more's mistake...calling foul on that last play is cheap imo</p>

[GatorBait19]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm going to say he's commenting on that last play where the defender tried to put his hands on White and Roddy extended and basically pushed him to the ground.<p> </p><p> Maybe it's O Pass Interference, but they never call that and more than what Roddy did, Baltimore blew the coverage. You could tell from the DBs reaction he expected safety help.</p><p> </p><p> Atlanta marched 80 yards in under a minute. That's B'more's mistake...calling foul on that last play is cheap imo</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> oh, last night. I didn't get to watch the game at all. I believe that is a Falcon move because someone did it last week as well to Talib.</p>