ampulator Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Maynard was robbed.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No, he wasn't. It was close fight.</p><p> </p><p> 7/8-10 In favor of Maynard</p><p> 10-9 Edgar</p><p> 10-9 Edgar</p><p> 10-9 Edgar</p><p> 10-9 Edgar</p><p> </p><p> 47/48 Edgar vs 46 Maynard. </p><p> </p><p> Although I can see how it's a draw, I can't exactly pinpoint which match that would have made it so. Maynard could have beaten Edgar... but he gassed himself out. I'm shocked he didn't stick to his game plan.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted January 2, 2011 Author Share Posted January 2, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Daffanka" data-cite="Daffanka" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I didn't think it was enough for a 10-7 round (it has to be something like Vovchanchyn - Inoue) but I wouldn't begrudge people if they think it was - Maynard landed so much, so hard.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That was a siiiiiiick fight (Vov vs Enson). I've met Vovchanchyn a couple of times (been invited to his restaurant in Ukraine but yet to go) and I talk to Enson almost weekly - he's one of the few human beings that fully terrifies me. I've seen a picture of a man's hand who he had just burned his family tattoo off the palm of using a lighter. He then uploaded it to his facebook. </p><p> </p><p> As a 'Where are they now?', he's currently running the security at Yakuza parties, functions and fights attended by notable Yakuza. Keep in mind that he isn't pure-blood Japanese - that should tell you how tough/respected Enson is in Japan. Yakuza hire him to watch their back, because they know other Yakuza are scared of him. Insane. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also Meltzer's site is reporting that Edgar will, indeed, be rematching Maynard. Probably at the Toronto show. That's shaping up to be a real nice card.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I hate Meltzer. He has good contacts inside the PPV companies (and thus in that side of the UFC) but he does not know the fight game. He's a bandwagoner, pure and simple. There's no way they do an immediate rematch of that fight - regardless of the outcome, they principles just aren't big enough and Pettis is coming off one of the most played highlight reels in mainstream MMA coverage history. What do Edgar and Maynard have to top that? </p><p> </p><p> While I've been typing this Dana has confirmed no rematch - so Meltzer was simply throwing some poop and hoping it stuck - I know how the post fights work and there is no way he got a confirmation with White or Silva before the presser. Sorry Dave, MMA isn't wrestling, as much as you'd like it to be.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I do think Maynard deserves a rematch, and an immediate one at that, but it is what is. However, I know that's not going to happen. I do think he deserves the winner of Edgar/Pettis. That's the least they can do for him. I'm just glad that Dana didn't PUBLICLY attempt to announce what happens after winner of Edgar vs. Maynard/Pettis, because Edgar/Maynard just threw another wrinkle in there. They are doing the Edgar/Pettis now, but Maynard has proven he deserves a second chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted January 2, 2011 Author Share Posted January 2, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I do think Maynard deserves a rematch, and an immediate one at that, but it is what is. However, I know that's not going to happen. I do think he deserves the winner of Edgar/Pettis. That's the least they can do for him. I'm just glad that Dana didn't PUBLICLY attempt to announce what happens after winner of Edgar vs. Maynard/Pettis, because Edgar/Maynard just threw another wrinkle in there. They are doing the Edgar/Pettis now, but Maynard has proven he deserves a second chance.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wonder if they'll do Maynard vs Hendo? From what I hear they are dying for a well-spoken, non-****y, good English-speaking black champ ASAP...Hendo fits the bill...not that I think he beats Maynard. I guess they'll wait for Jon Jones.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 UPDATE: Nope, Meltzer WASN"T lying, apparently. It's on MMAJunkie too, now. <a href="http://mmajunkie.com/news/21939/ufc-boss-has-change-of-heart-frankie-edgar-vs-gray-maynard-iii-up-next.mma" rel="external nofollow">http://mmajunkie.com/news/21939/ufc-boss-has-change-of-heart-frankie-edgar-vs-gray-maynard-iii-up-next.mma</a> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is one of my pet hates with MMA fans. <p> </p><p> Nobody was robbed in that fight, nor would anybody have been robbed had the decision gone to Edgar or Maynard. It was a CLOSE FIGHT. They happen. </p><p> </p><p> A robbery is when someone clearly, absolutely and unequivocally runs a fight and doesn't get the decision. That did not happen tonight. </p><p> </p><p> Just because the guy you thought won lost, doesn't make it a robbery. </p><p> </p><p> For the record, I had it...</p><p> </p><p> Maynard-Edgar</p><p> </p><p> 10-8</p><p> 9-10</p><p> 9-10</p><p> 9-10</p><p> 9-10</p><p> </p><p> ...although I'll admit I wasn't in a silent room scoring it with a pencil and pad, that's what I gave it. No problem with the draw, or if they gave Edgar the 3rd and 5th.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I took back the statement of "robbery" in an earlier post. Im not really a fan of MMA I was simply watching the fight tonight. Perhaps I dont understand the scoring but round 3 clearly went to Maynard IMO. Perhaps I am too bias towards how dominant Maynard was in round 1 and how little danger Maynard was in during the entire match but I thought Maynard deserved the victory.</p><p> </p><p> The way I looked at the fight was rounds 2-5 had very little seperating the two fighters while round 1 was clearly in favor of Maynard. I hate round by round scoring. Its like having the Pats win the first quarter against a team 35-0 and lose the next 3 quarters 7-6 and have the Pats lose the game. Doesnt make sense to me.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted January 2, 2011 Author Share Posted January 2, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>UPDATE: Nope, Meltzer WASN"T lying, apparently. It's on MMAJunkie too, now. <a href="http://mmajunkie.com/news/21939/ufc-boss-has-change-of-heart-frankie-edgar-vs-gray-maynard-iii-up-next.mma" rel="external nofollow">http://mmajunkie.com/news/21939/ufc-boss-has-change-of-heart-frankie-edgar-vs-gray-maynard-iii-up-next.mma</a></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He was...well, he probably wasn't *lying*, but he was pulling it out of his ass at the time. According to that report, after they announced the Pettis fight people got in Dana's ear and they made the call to *change* the planned main event. </p><p> </p><p> What happens is this - as the fights go on, the press dept communicate with Dana, Joe and Lorenzo via their phones about press conference stuff and any fight announcements. Obviously, they plan fights for a year or so ahead and have many plans based on different outcomes of the fights. (They have virtual whiteboards with 'trees' plotting 4-5 fights ahead). They can then make statements about subsequent fights/challengers at the pressers. The plan for this fight was the winner vs Pettis. As the evening progresses, they communicate everything that will be said at the presser, then run through the company line at a mini-meeting beforehand. </p><p> </p><p> Melzter, posting that as early as he did, got his sh-one-t from a misplaced source or took a lucky guess. Whatever is said at the presser is the final company line, discussed and confirmed. If something happens after the presser - it's just a lucky guess. </p><p> </p><p> I could tell some great stories about the (totally not employed to 'leak' stories to the press!!!1!') sources in the UFC.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I took back the statement of "robbery" in an earlier post. Im not really a fan of MMA I was simply watching the fight tonight. Perhaps I dont understand the scoring but round 3 clearly went to Maynard IMO. Perhaps I am too bias towards how dominant Maynard was in round 1 and how little danger Maynard was in during the entire match but I thought Maynard deserved the victory.<p> </p><p> The way I looked at the fight was rounds 2-5 had very little seperating the two fighters while round 1 was clearly in favor of Maynard. I hate round by round scoring. Its like having the Pats win the first quarter against a team 35-0 and lose the next 3 quarters 7-6 and have the Pats lose the game. Doesnt make sense to me.</p></div></blockquote><p> The thing is, Maynard might have been in very much danger, but he wasn't doing very much, either. Edgar wsa doing more, sometimes, a lot more, for those other 4 rounds, even in the third. But I can see people giving Maynard the third one. </p><p> </p><p> Winning the first doesn't mean diddly if you can't continue to dominate until the later rounds.</p><p> </p><p> That being said, as a side-note, even if the fight was ruled not by rounds, but by deciding the entire contest, Maynard still would not have won. In fact, it would have most likely been ruled in Frankie's favor. Ruling on entire contest favors the fighter who did better later, not earlier. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He was...well, he probably wasn't *lying*, but he was pulling it out of his ass at the time. According to that report, after they announced the Pettis fight people got in Dana's ear and they made the call to *change* the planned main event. <p> </p><p> What happens is this - as the fights go on, the press dept communicate with Dana, Joe and Lorenzo via their phones about press conference stuff and any fight announcements. Obviously, they plan fights for a year or so ahead and have many plans based on different outcomes of the fights. (They have virtual whiteboards with 'trees' plotting 4-5 fights ahead). They can then make statements about subsequent fights/challengers at the pressers. The plan for this fight was the winner vs Pettis. As the evening progresses, they communicate everything that will be said at the presser, then run through the company line at a mini-meeting beforehand. </p><p> </p><p> Melzter, posting that as early as he did, got his sh-one-t from a misplaced source or took a lucky guess. Whatever is said at the presser is the final company line, discussed and confirmed. If something happens after the presser - it's just a lucky guess. </p><p> </p><p> I could tell some great stories about the (totally not employed to 'leak' stories to the press!!!1!') sources in the UFC.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Actually, I'm more interested in how well you know Inoue. But considering his connections, I think it's better I don't know now. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> But in any case, I don't think they saw this coming to a draw... but they planed for it? That would be amazing planning, if they did.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> That being said, as a side-note, even if the fight was ruled not by rounds, but by deciding the entire contest, Maynard still would not have won. In fact, it would have most likely been ruled in Frankie's favor.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If this is the case than this sport is crazy. Frankie hit the mat atleast 4-5 times(in the 1st and 3rd rounds) while Maynard was in a couple submission attempts but was hardly in any danger of losing.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If this is the case than this sport is crazy. Frankie hit the mat atleast 4-5 times(in the 1st and 3rd rounds) while Maynard was in a couple submission attempts but was hardly in any danger of losing.</div></blockquote><p> No, it's not. He wasn't dominated in the third round. He could have lost it (and I could see it), but, still, his chances of winning the fight are slim. </p><p> </p><p> First Round: 7/8-10 in favor of Maynard</p><p> Second Round: 10-9 Edgar</p><p> Third Round: 10-9/10-10/9-10</p><p> Fourth Round: 10-9 Edgar</p><p> Fifth Round: 10-9 Edgar</p><p> </p><p> so... that comes to... 48/47/46-47/46. In other words, a draw, but Edgar is the slight favorite. Even giving Round significantly, and giving round 3, to Maynard, he still didn't do enough in the later rounds, mainly because he was gassed. Did Frankie win? He didn't. I think it's a close draw. If it WEREN'T for the First round, then Maynard would have lost. Then again, if it weren't for the first round beatdown he attempted, he wouldn't have gasssed.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 <p>MMA Fighting is reporting that the main event for the show in Toronto will be... Randy Couture versus Lyoto Machine. </p><p> </p><p> I'm interested to see what the rest of the card ends up looking like. That's a fight that I wouldn't mind seeing, but its a pretty weak main event. I have the feeling the UFC is going to give Toronto a pretty weak card, because they know its going to sell out regardless.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>MMA Fighting is reporting that the main event for the show in Toronto will be... Randy Couture versus Lyoto Machine. <p> </p><p> I'm interested to see what the rest of the card ends up looking like. That's a fight that I wouldn't mind seeing, but its a pretty weak main event. I have the feeling the UFC is going to give Toronto a pretty weak card, because they know its going to sell out regardless.</p></div></blockquote><p> What, no GSP vs. Jake Shields?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I was just thinking yesterday how more fights could legitimately be a case for a draw, and this kind of summed it up. It was the right decision, and sets it up perfectly for a rematch. I've seen a suggestion they had planned for Pettis and the winner of this to coach TUF, obviously scuppered that xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What, no GSP vs. Jake Shields?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They're "leaking" tody that this will be the main event.</p><p> </p><p> I read the Couture/Machida rumors as well but no site I found speculated it as the main event. Also reports say the fight is far from finalized as Couture will start filming The Expendables 2 soon which could create schedule problems for the 129 fight.</p><p> </p><p> UFC 125 was what I thought it would be, a solid card with the lack of star power. I won't get into the Maynard/Edgar debate as its pointless to argue something so close with no real evidence to promote either as a true winner.</p><p> </p><p> Stann knocking out Leben so early surprised me, I didn't necessarily think Leben would come in and crush him but didn't think Stann would be the one with a first round KO.</p><p> </p><p> Dissapointed in Diaz, I thought he could get a triangle choke off if the fight went to the ground. He tried then tried to late in the third to win the fight.</p><p> </p><p> A little surprised Gomi wasn't more aggressive. Guida is problematic of course but it seemed the plan was to catch Guida on the counter which I just didn't see happening with Guida's movement and tough skull</p><p> </p><p> Prelims were pretty good which worked out wel for the UFC as well, would be nice to be able to see 3 fights each time.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Ariel Helwani confirmed Couture/Machida but I'm sure we'll be told he doesn't know about MMA, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Daffanka" data-cite="Daffanka" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I had it 47-47 myself. Hope there's a rematch.</div></blockquote><p> I had it 48-46 edgar, now I'm not a judge. Edgar had the fight won after the 2nd round</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 <p>This is how I scored the Edgar/Maynard fight.</p><p> </p><p> Round 1: Maynard 10-8 (almost 10-7)</p><p> Round 2: Edgar 10-9</p><p> Round 3: Edgar 10-9</p><p> Round 4: Edgar 10-9</p><p> Round 5: Draw 10-10</p><p> </p><p> End score: 48-47 Edgar</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 The only rounds with a clear winner, I feel, were 1 (Maynard) and 2 (Edgar). The others were close enough that you could end up with any number of final scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I had it 48-46 edgar, now I'm not a judge. Edgar had the fight won after the 2nd round See, this is what I hate about close fights. If the fight was judged bye the entire contest, AND each round equal weight, then according to Fightmetric, then Maynard would have won. If it's under the 10-point must system, that's a lot more debatable. It's most likely a draw, though either person winning, is still possible. If it was under PRIDE style judging, then Maynard would have most certainly lost. all in all, a great performance by both, and Maynard deserves his rematch. Sorry Pettis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Couture/Machida makes sense but obviously if GSP is fighting it won't be the main event and I don't think anyone except here has said it will be. 1 was 10-8, Edgar had 2 and 4, 3 and 5 were closer but I'd give Gray 5 moreso than 3, clearly he thought his 30 second takedown followed by ending the round in guillotine earned him round 3. I was fairly even on who I wanted to win going into that fight but after the way Edgar came back and the contrasting atttitudes at the end I'll definitely be pulling for Frankie next time. At the final bell he hesitated for a moment and looked like he might have been going to touch gloves then Gray threw his hands up in the air so he had to respond in kind, heh. The way I see it, the latter rounds and how the fight unfolds should matter more. The impact of Gray's round one dominance should be lessened by what it led to, similar situation in the Diaz fight with him doing the most damage in the final round but it being too late. I think this might be what the Pride system was all about though I never watched that so I'm not entirely sure. Either way it sounds better. Just hope all the Pettis hype doesn't die during the wait...he'll probably have to fight again, hopefully they push it properly and he pulls off something impressive again. Oh and I loved all of the comments about how they couldn't remember the last time someone had a round like that and came back, wonder if they were deliberately ignoring Brock. I would say goading him, but no way would he have been watching lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKenwyne Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 My scorecard for Frankie-Gray: Round 1: 10-8 Maynard - Absolute domination. I nearly gave him a 10-7, but Edgar finished well and landed something. Round 2: 10-9 Edgar - Almost a 10-8. That inverted double-leg was a thing of beauty. Round 3: 10-9 Edgar - Quicker to the punch and Maynard barely landed all round. Round 4: 10-9 Edgar - A takedown and a tight guillotine wins Edgar this. Round 5: 10-9 Maynard - But Gray comes back strong for the last round. His boxing was superior and Frankie could not get the takedown whenever he went for it. So I had it 47-47 and believe the decision of the judges to be correct. Just my opinion.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I rewatched the fight and I HAVE COME TO SOME CONCLUSIONS I think Frankie sorely underestimated Maynard's lead hook, even after he was nearly knocked out by it. He clearly took the power hand much, much more seriously. Hell, he kept circling out of Maynard's power hand into his lead hand even when it was clear that the lead hand was more dangerous. Frankie's mad good. I'm speaking as a tremendous Frankie Edgar fan but I thought he really shined in the fight. He showed that Misaki-esque chin where he's not invulnerable to punches but recovers ridiculously quickly, which should help him quite a lot since he's so fast. Kind of the opposite of Lesnar really. His wrestling was dynamite, going from a double to a kneetap is really effective for a guy who's quick and always threatening with punches like Edgar or Cruz (who also uses it) and Maynard only took him down once in the third. And obviously Frankie's combination punching was great. At the same time Maynard was clearly playing second fiddle in the fight after he punched himself out somewhat and Frankie got his range and rhythm down. Not that Maynard isn't a great fighter - he is - but I really think he should've mixed up his punches and takedowns more instead of just throwing lead hooks and power uppercuts and occasionally shooting for a double that got stuffed. Loving the rematch. The lightweight division rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 <p>I think Maynard let the pressure to finish get to him. In his case, this sort of pressure was the fact that no one was expecting a finish from either guy, not even close, and that everyone believed he could finish... but he doesn't. </p><p> </p><p> I also notice, despite his stoic demeanor... he's a lot more sensitive to the criticism than he lets on. And as nice as Frankie Edgar is, he really doesn't care about others think of him. He gassed himself out the first round, and at times, it seemed like he was trying to take Frankie's block off, when clearly, it wasn't going to work.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 <p>3 fights into UFC125 and my flatmate and I are taking a break from it. Not awful, but nothing to get us excited for more just now. I thought the Opener was awful. Guida moved around a lot, but that didn't disguise the fact it was two guys moving around each other, not fighting. I wanted Gomi to win, but was just glad when it was over. If I had to sit through another round of that tripe I would have just turned it off.</p><p> </p><p> Liked the second fight. Fun grappling for two rounds, then quite the drama in the third. Kim was clearly gassed for the whole 5 minutes, Nate made a good babyface comeback, and the knee... It was illegal in my book. Accidental, sure, but still illegal. Rogan was talking about his hand being up when it connected, but surely it matters more when the kick was started, than when it ended. Like the offside rule.</p><p> </p><p> I actually dug the Thiago/Vera fight. It was what it was, so by the third I was accepting that Thiago was just going to maul him, and I popped HUGE for the slaps. It was a bit of a dick move, but I dug it. Showed personality. </p><p> </p><p> Will watch the rest later. Carefully dodging spoilers, so if I'm repeating or contradicting anyone else's points, that's my bad.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: Leben/Stann ruled. Even though Edgar/Maynard contained a lot of the same stand-up as the opener, that first round gave it all so much drama. In a "it could happen at any moment" sense, as well as turning it into an underdog story. I scored it slightly in favour of Maynard, butI can see how it's a draw.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT2: No interest in the rematch. Gray deserves it, but I'm not exactly clamouring to see more of those last 4 rounds.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingofHonorGuard Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 <p>Chael Sonnen's apparently in a heap of trouble now... and it's not just steroids that are biting him his time. He's apparently facing up to 20 years in prison for money laundering unless he cooperates with authorities and gives up some helpful information on the others involved.</p><p> </p><p> Tough year for the ® so far... and it just started. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>3 fights into UFC125 and my flatmate and I are taking a break from it. Not awful, but nothing to get us excited for more just now. I thought the Opener was awful. Guida moved around a lot, but that didn't disguise the fact it was two guys moving around each other, not fighting. I wanted Gomi to win, but was just glad when it was over. If I had to sit through another round of that tripe I would have just turned it off.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Really? I thought Guida/Gomi was awesome. Sure, it could have been more of a war like Sanchez/Guida was... But the fact is Guida is learning. While he might have looked like Donkey Kong jumping around and using erratic head movement, it was enough to throw Gomi off. That didn't stop me from enjoying the one punch knockout winging punches that Gomi nearly landed time and again. That in itself made for an exciting fight, PLUS... Guida actually FINISHED a guy that wasn't a can. I too wanted Gomi to win. But I think you're being a little too hard on this fight just because it wasn't balls-to-the-wall rock'em'sock'em. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Thiago Silva bitch-slapping Brandon Vera around while he was on top of him had to be the hilarious moment of the night though, by far.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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