The Shape Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Struve being an underdog against Browne is absolute nuts...there's no logical reason for it.<p> </p><p> The main reason for things like this happening is that a lot of money was being placed on Browne as an underdog pick...that will sometimes swing the lines as the house looks limit potential losses. There's no way they're reducing it from an odds perspective....</p><p> </p><p> ...unless, of course, they know something we don't and Struve is hurt.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The thing is, as it's not one of the bigger fights the odds likely haven't been up for very long at all. This week at most. So not sure about how much time there's been for a lot of money to come in.</p><p> </p><p> There is another possibility: they're just wrong. I'm sure they have people who know what they're talking about but I've seen some strange UFC odds there before. It's the same at other bookies, which is very confusing, but maybe they're counting on him standing and getting KO'd. I'm gonna count on that not happening and put a few quid on anyways <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 <p>I think it's because Brown has never lost, right? He's got 10 wins, one draw. Struve has 21 ones, 4 losses. </p><p> </p><p> The thing is, Struve has a habit of always getting beaten like a dog in his fights. He wins, but he never reallys wins dominantly. It's almost always an underdog win. To be fair, though, almost everyone that has beaten are pretty good, by Heavyweight standards, except one person.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedsRule Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I dunno if there is just something wrong with me (which is a definite possibility), but I'm ridiculously looking forward to Santiago/Stann...more than any fight on the card, even before Maynard/Edgar and Rampage/Silva were pulled...</div></blockquote><p> It'd been Page first with me, then that fight. I wanna see how Santiago does this time in the UFC, and I think Stann is a little overrated still, his wrestling is still his weak spot.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 I dunno if there is just something wrong with me (which is a definite possibility), but I'm ridiculously looking forward to Santiago/Stann...more than any fight on the card, even before Maynard/Edgar and Rampage/Silva were pulled... It's a brilliant example of a really good fighter who suffers terribly from having an awful, awful chin versus a really not so good fighter who hits hard. I don't think Santiago's getting knocked out from top half guard again but because of his chin deficiency and fighting style his fights are usually really good and unless he's fighting Misaki I'm rooting for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 I think it's because Brown has never lost, right? He's got 10 wins, one draw. Struve has 21 ones, 4 losses. The thing is, Struve has a habit of always getting beaten like a dog in his fights. He wins, but he never reallys wins dominantly. It's almost always an underdog win. To be fair, though, almost everyone that has beaten are pretty good, by Heavyweight standards, except one person. Shouldn't matter really - Struve has fought and beat guys who are better than Browne, whereas Brown looked pretty shoddy in his only step-up in competition - a fight he'd have lost if Kongo wasn't trying to get his shorts off :-p I'm pretty sure I could go 10-0-1 against the local crack heads or a troupe of performing midgets in one night (I'm giving them the one draw because I expect I'll be weakened by the crack fumes at some point). Lol, seriously though, I think The Shape is probably right - you do get some bizzare and varying odds with MMA betting. A mate of mine was looking at Roy Nelson at evens on William Hill, whereas I'd just put down £10 for a £25 return at Betfair. I especially love Betfair as its a site where you bet against real people, not the house (they take a commission on every bet to make their end), so you can take odds offered by other players, or set your own. It's great when you have a really popular underdog...for example, at one point Chuck Liddell was a big favourite to beat Rich Franklin. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Personally, I do see Struve winning, but I don't see him winning easily. It's just how he fights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Mayhem and Bisping on TUF. I know nothing about Mayhem as a fighter but this is surely not a fight that can earn Bisping a title shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Well, verbally, Mayhem's going to light him up, verbally. If he thought Sonnen was bad... Mayhem is not a fighter that can easily counted out. My brain says Bisping should win, but he fights stupid, and while Mayhem does too, he's tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 <p>Stupid fight. Bisping will wreck him with 1-2's all night. In fact, I honestly think that as a sub grappler with decent stand up, I could do more to Bisping in that fight that Mayhem will ever do. Roll on the TV show.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: Wow, what a stupid thing to say. Very disrespectful on my part.</p><p> </p><p> Here's the thing though; I'm looking for a fight in 6-12 months. I can get it done on a show in the UK. If you can sell tix that'd be great, if not, no worries, I can do an opener. Honestly, I have three fights worth experience, plus boxing, grappling and Muay Thai, but I'd be willing to give up weight to fight someone from these boards in an exhibition-style match. I'll fight anyone up to 265lb in an exhibition, or 200lbs if someone want to take it seriously. </p><p> </p><p> If anyone here is legit interested in doing this for a bit of fun, let me know.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Stupid fight. Bisping will wreck him with 1-2's all night. In fact, I honestly think that as a sub grappler with decent stand up, I could do more to Bisping in that fight that Mayhem will ever do. Roll on the TV show.<p> </p><p> EDIT: Wow, what a stupid thing to say. Very disrespectful on my part.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Heh, your journalistic side of you must loathe the internet geek within you. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> No worries, though, because I doubt any of us is either Jason "Mayhem" Miller or Michael "The Count" Bisping. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> That being said, Miller is missing a lot of key things, particularly his wrestling... which is something Bisping lacks. When it comes to standing, I think, if Bisping fights smart, should be where he's strongest. But Bisping doesn't fight that smart, and I don't think it's out of choice-he's just instiinctively not a smart fight. It goes against who he is. That being said, that's even more true of Mayhem. The guy llkes to fight fire with fire, and there are times, when he could have won, if he fought more focused and/or conservatively. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Here's the thing though; I'm looking for a fight in 6-12 months. I can get it done on a show in the UK. If you can sell tix that'd be great, if not, no worries, I can do an opener. Honestly, I have three fights worth experience, plus boxing, grappling and Muay Thai, but I'd be willing to give up weight to fight someone from these boards in an exhibition-style match. I'll fight anyone up to 265lb in an exhibition, or 200lbs if someone want to take it seriously. </p><p> </p><p> If anyone here is legit interested in doing this for a bit of fun, let me know.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> First obstacle: I have no interest in fighting. Ever. I like watching people fight. Many times I like to stop fights. Sometimes I even like to start them between two other people. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> But in a fight myself? No way. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Second obstacle: I live in the USA. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Heh, your journalistic side of you must loathe the internet geek within you. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's more a case of my smashed knee loathing the athlete in me :-p! The internet geek is too busy playing Football Manager to join in the fun!</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> First obstacle: I have interesting in fighting. Ever. I like watching people fight. Many times I like to stop fights. Sometimes I even like to start them between two other people. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> But in a fight myself? No way. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Do it! It's great fun!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Second obstacle: I live in the USA. ;</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I can do USA...specifically Vegas!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Do it! It's great fun!</div></blockquote><p> As Pat Barry once said: "Getting punched in the face, sucks." <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 As a 170lb guy with no experience in any martial art I am by no means accepting the challenge, but I can definitely see the appeal and intend to maybe do some muay thai/jui jitsu next year. The gym where I go now is tiny but has a boxing ring, the guys in there do not look like the sort I'd want to start anything with though There's pictures of Dan Hardy and Carl Froch actually in the gym on the wall, would seem they've trained there at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 My knee got busted rolling but if it heals up properly and my body doesn't fall apart I might be down for some GDS sparring. I'm even 1-0 in SHOOT FIGHTING against a total geek who tapped as soon as I touched his leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Here's the thing though; I'm looking for a fight in 6-12 months. I can get it done on a show in the UK. If you can sell tix that'd be great, if not, no worries, I can do an opener. Honestly, I have three fights worth experience, plus boxing, grappling and Muay Thai, but I'd be willing to give up weight to fight someone from these boards in an exhibition-style match. I'll fight anyone up to 265lb in an exhibition, or 200lbs if someone want to take it seriously. </p><p> </p><p> If anyone here is legit interested in doing this for a bit of fun, let me know.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The 155lbs lanky white 18 year old, whose only experience fighting is hitting someone once many years ago, accepts your challenge. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Seriously though, I would never do anything like that, but if I knew you were fighting someone else off the board I would definately come along to watch (as long as travel is possible).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OctoberRaven Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 <p>I'd volunteer if not for the fact that I'm way too nearsighted to pass a physical in the state of Florida.</p><p> </p><p> I've done Tae Kwon Do and wrestling, though. Cro Copped someone once. Well, I would have if it wasn't sparring and he had headgear.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Daffanka" data-cite="Daffanka" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My knee got busted rolling but if it heals up properly and my body doesn't fall apart I might be down for some GDS sparring.<p> </p><p> I'm even 1-0 in SHOOT FIGHTING against a total geek who tapped as soon as I touched his leg.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> lol I had a similar experience, was briefly my primary school's wrestling champion I believe after a guy tried to kick me and I locked in the Ankle Lock. That put a target on my back, and later that day the biggest kid in the school put my in the Walls of Jericho. All my Pokemon cards fell out of my pocket <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> That and the only real fight I ever had got broken up before anything decisive, fairly sure a draw was the best I could've hoped for though. Leaves my record at 1-1-1, with around 100 no contests against my brother.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 So THAT's why Browne was the favourite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedsRule Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 http://i52.tinypic.com/ztjfx2.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Browne was in much better shape for this fight than he was for his last one. Yet again, the undercard of the UFC is more interesting than the co-main and main events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 <p>From beginning to end, UFC 130 was rather turgid and offered little excitement and few moments of interest. After a generally tepid undercard on FB and Spike, the main show opened with a fairly good fight with Brian Stann looking good against Jorge Santiago. Ricky Story fought a good fight against Thiago Alves but he was clearly tiring in the third round and if Alves wasn't equally tired/frustrated, he could have come from behind to finish Story. Struve/Browne was OK before the lone highlight of the night with a great looking KO for Browne. And then came the co-main and main event, which were a pair of lethargic and uninspiring fights where the winners (Mir/Jackson) did absolutely nothing to raise their stock and make them a credible title contender. The one thing Mir proved is that 260lbs, and he might have weighed more come fight time, is just too much for him to carry and not have cardio issues in the later rounds. Mir is a better shape, and fights better, when he's in the 240lbs range. </p><p> </p><p> Overall, a very uninspiring night and one to forget.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Oh, and no GSP/Diaz for the foreseeable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Getting a bit like end-of-days WCW. Good, energetic undercards. Lazy, **** main events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 *shrug* I agree with the last part, but disagree with the first part. UFC is nowhere near WCW-level crap, even at UFC's worst. From beginning to end, UFC 130 was rather turgid and offered little excitement and few moments of interest. After a generally tepid undercard on FB and Spike, the main show opened with a fairly good fight with Brian Stann looking good against Jorge Santiago. Ricky Story fought a good fight against Thiago Alves but he was clearly tiring in the third round and if Alves wasn't equally tired/frustrated, he could have come from behind to finish Story. Struve/Browne was OK before the lone highlight of the night with a great looking KO for Browne. And then came the co-main and main event, which were a pair of lethargic and uninspiring fights where the winners (Mir/Jackson) did absolutely nothing to raise their stock and make them a credible title contender. The one thing Mir proved is that 260lbs, and he might have weighed more come fight time, is just too much for him to carry and not have cardio issues in the later rounds. Mir is a better shape, and fights better, when he's in the 240lbs range. Overall, a very uninspiring night and one to forget. I think you are being to harsh to Story. alves was more tired than Story was, and that's saying something. It's just that Alves should have turned up the heat in the 2nd round, and he didn't. As for the main events, Mir's an extremely flawed fighter, and Jackson has lost his fire a while ago. As for Mir getting tired.. he's always had suspect cardio. Actually, a lot of the heavyweights have suspect cardio. Heavyweights just lose their zip and bang after the 2nd round. Until the talent pool gets better and/or more dedicated, this is the way it's going to be, whether we like or not. Only a few Heavyweights genuinely have good cardio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabbo Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Brashley, what do you think of Joseph Duffy? I'm sure you know him but he's the boyfriend of one my old school friends. We've drifted apart in recent years so I won't be offended if you don't rate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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