The Official MMA Discussion Thread

[KingJoel]

It's not that I'm talking to you as if you are child or that you are stupid. Rather, if you are conceding (and I'm assuming you are) that you know you are opening yourself to criticism anytime state something openly, then when I'm criticizing your pick is fair game, and that you while you don't have to accept my anyone's judgment of your pick, you shouldn't be defensive about it. Or rather you, you don't have to be defensive about it. If it can happen and does happen, and if it doesn't surprise you it does happen, there's nothing to be defensive about, is there?

 

Your respons should have been: "I have the choice to may be wrong and make decisions that may not based on good reason. Ultimately my freedom to choose alternatives, even poor ones, overrides anything reason, society, or people can compel me to do", rather than "Why you question me? Yes I know I'm opening myself to criticism. But why are questioning me still?"

 

Yeah, whatever dude, I'm not really bothered.

 

Moving on from that subject, I'm proud of Ortiz. Not going to lie, dude gave me some hope during the fight with that guillotine and that ill-fated leglock attempt.

[ampulator]

Yeah, whatever dude, I'm not really bothered.

 

Moving on from that subject, I'm proud of Ortiz. Not going to lie, dude gave me some hope during the fight with that guillotine and that ill-fated leglock attempt.

Well, I can't disagree there. But I think he's pretty much done as a top-contender. He's a gatekeeper now. It's not that I want to see him in that position... but I can't see anything else for him at this point.

 

I hope he wins his next fight.

[Bigpapa42]

Anyone else hearing anything about the Vitor KO being reviewed by the athletic commission due to shots to the back of the head?

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-inlWDs3TETU/Tj354t6FvxI/AAAAAAAAEbY/K_YdFosc0G4/s1600/2.gif

[ampulator]

No, but is it?

[Bigpapa42]

No, but is it?

 

If I knew one way or the other, I wouldn't put it out there as a question. A rumor I caught on another site, which is usually pretty solid with its MMA info but I have my doubts just because that seems awfully quick for them to decide to even look into it...

 

Ebersole got a $70k bonus from the UFC for beating Hallman, just because of the "shorts" that Hallman wore.

[ampulator]

If I knew one way or the other, I wouldn't put it out there as a question. A rumor I caught on another site, which is usually pretty solid with its MMA info but I have my doubts just because that seems awfully quick for them to decide to even look into it...

 

Ebersole got a $70k bonus from the UFC for beating Hallman, just because of the "shorts" that Hallman wore.

I haven't heard anything. If there was a problem, why didn't someone speak it right after the fight? And if anything, why didn't the REF complain about it? We'll see in a couple of days.

[Daffanka]

The Akiyama KO is almost identical to the Franklin one in that he had a guy almost knocked out and finished him off with two rabbit punches, and the Franklin KO didn't get reviewed.

 

I thought the PPV portion was a pretty good show, Rivera/Phillipa aside. I really liked the finish in the Rashad fight, it's great to see someone not completely impotent in that position.

[The Shape]

This was the first time I'd seen Rashad fight live as I started watching after his last fight, and I gotta say I was impressed. Not just with the way he fought, which was great, but his overall demeanor, the casual arrogance that some people can't stand him for. The hype video at the very beginning of the PPV was what really won me over, the way he said "he really thinks he can beat me" with such pure and utter disgust. Providing Jones beats Rampage that is going to be such a huge fight.

 

Best case scenario really, Rashad looked good but Tito didn't go down without a fight and threatened a few times to give the crowd something.

 

The Belfort thing...shrug, he only got in that position because Akiyama was flat on his face anyway.

[Fantabulous]

Gutted that Akiyama was destroyed in such a fashion and I fully expect him to get cut over this. As for Belfort, I don't know what you can do with him in terms of the Middleweight title picture, because if Silva retains against Okami as most expect, I don't see there being much call for Silva/Belfort II.

 

Rashad beating Tito decisively but Tito put up a great fight and looked competitive in the early going. Tito weathered the strikes of Rashad well, but as I've mentioned previously, he doesn't actually react to them well. Like with Chuck, he kind of just takes them with his arms and seems to take the strategy of just letting the other guy blow himself out and hoping for the best rather than trying to counter with something.

 

Not the greatest of UFC's but not the worst, and I look forward to UFC Rio.

[jesterx7769]

the knee to the body was very impressive to me. i think Tito purposefully stayed on his knees so Rashad couldn't knee him in the head (or get DQ'd) and Rashad was not doing a good job of getting around Tito's arms so far in the fight then boom! nice concsious decision.

 

good job by vitor, wish he swarmed Anderson. thought he would after he knocked him down but whats done is done. Not sure who I want vitor to fight next as coming off a win but not top 3 for a title shot makes it hard (since he just lost of course). I've always been a fan of watching Vitors old fights and he is def. one of the best strikers in any division (yes despite getting kicked in the face but even he admitted he thought the kick was going for his stomach) and one of the best consistent physiques in my mind, 6 foot 185 of pure muscle and I cant recall him ever being out of shape.

 

After all the injuries though the UFC has to be glad how the card played out with the co and main evenet being exciting.

[ChrisWest]

The Belfort thing...shrug, he only got in that position because Akiyama was flat on his face anyway.

 

Well, what if Rashad had kneed Tito in the face instead of the stomach? That would only be illegal because Tito chose to sit on his knees. I know the situations differ because there was more action going on in the Belfort/Sexyama situation, but a punch to the back of the head is still illegal. I personally think he should have been DQ'ed, or at the very least given a warning and then the fight should have been a no contest since Sexyama clearly couldn't continue in any way. Also, the fact that he did the same thing against Franklin makes it look less like an accident and more like him just being an *******.

 

Also, I really don't see a problem with Hallman's shorts. I don't see how his shorts were worse than Gustafsson's. I think the UFC should just tell him not to wear those shorts next time (since they apparently see them as a big problem), instead of given a bonus to Ebersole for finishing him. I think Dana White comes off as being rather pathetic saying, "I've never been so embarrassed being in the UFC." Just get over it. It was fun.

 

Overall a great PPV with some fun fights. Rashad vs. Tito was as great as I could've hoped. Really looking forward to 134, but I've been looking forward to that for months now. Versus 5 looks great, too, but I imagine the Brazillian fans will make 134 extra special.

[ShaunGBD]

Ebersole is from Bradley, IL (where I live) I went to a bar, it was a party for his family and friends. His mom was my Typing teacher in high school. They were selling tickets and Brian was giving the money back to the high school wrestling team, the places went nuts when he won. Never meant the guy but he seems like a good guy. Good for win.

[Fantabulous]

Also, I really don't see a problem with Hallman's shorts. I don't see how his shorts were worse than Gustafsson's. I think the UFC should just tell him not to wear those shorts next time (since they apparently see them as a big problem), instead of given a bonus to Ebersole for finishing him. I think Dana White comes off as being rather pathetic saying, "I've never been so embarrassed being in the UFC." Just get over it. It was fun.

They were so small they let his balls swing out on live PPV. That's a problem, and one Gustafsson's shorts were never going to have. But male testicles on live PPV might just be your idea of fun.

[ampulator]

They were so small they let his balls swing out on live PPV. That's a problem, and one Gustafsson's shorts were never going to have. But male testicles on live PPV might just be your idea of fun.

Abd to add, I don't think he's angry at Hallman all that much... he's more disgusted and frustrated with him. You know he is angry with, though? Whoever approved it. Hallman technically didn't break any rules, I think, but I don't think Dana is very happy that someone approved without using "common sense" or going to someone higher to approve (or disapprove) it.

[The Shape]

Well, what if Rashad had kneed Tito in the face instead of the stomach? That would only be illegal because Tito chose to sit on his knees.

 

I don't think Akiyama chose to lie flat on his face, he was knocked there. I agree it's slightly sinister on Belfort's part but I feel like a DQ would just be totally unwarranted. He didn't win because of those punches, he'd basically already won. It's a tricky one yes, but this (and maybe telling him to watch it next time as it's already not looking like an accident) is the least bull**** way to deal with it.

[ChrisWest]

They were so small they let his balls swing out on live PPV. That's a problem, and one Gustafsson's shorts were never going to have. But male testicles on live PPV might just be your idea of fun.

 

I must admit that I missed that, but doesn't that just add to the fun? I see the point now in banning speedos, but why make a big deal out of it? Why not just ban them from now on and have a little chuckle at Hallman's wardrobe malfunction? It's not like he planned on exposing his balls, or the guy who approved the speedos was saying, "Your balls will totally be exposed. This will be so awesome!". It happened. It was unfortunate, stupid maybe. Let's laugh and move on.

 

I don't think Akiyama chose to lie flat on his face, he was knocked there. I agree it's slightly sinister on Belfort's part but I feel like a DQ would just be totally unwarranted. He didn't win because of those punches, he'd basically already won. It's a tricky one yes, but this (and maybe telling him to watch it next time as it's already not looking like an accident) is the least bull**** way to deal with it.

 

Deffinitely don't think he chose that either My point was that just because Sexyama ended up in a position where it would be easier to hit him in the back of his head than in his face, doesn't make it legal to do so. I'm sure that Belfort would've won anyway, but it does seem that the first blow to the back of the head is what actually knocked him out. The punch was illegal and I don't think he should win with an illegal punch. I don't think the timing should determine if it was illegal or not. Belfort could've definitely won with legal methods, he just didn't.

 

I agree that a DQ might be too harsh as we don't know if he hit him in the back of the head on purpose. If he didn't (he probably didn't even if it has happened in 2 of his last 3 fights) I think it should be ruled a no contest. Also, it was the first time he did it in the fight which usually just leads to a warning.

[ampulator]

I must admit that I missed that, but doesn't that just add to the fun? I see the point now in banning speedos, but why make a big deal out of it? Why not just ban them from now on and have a little chuckle at Hallman's wardrobe malfunction? It's not like he planned on exposing his balls, or the guy who approved the speedos was saying, "Your balls will totally be exposed. This will be so awesome!". It happened. It was unfortunate, stupid maybe. Let's laugh and move on.

Simple. It might have or could have offended sponsors. And Dana White needed to be clear that it was not HE who approved of it. In one phrase: "Show me the money!"

[Fantabulous]

Matt Hamill has retired. No, I didn't care, either.

[Self]

<p>Fun UFC show, that. Dug Hallman's outfit, mostly because moments before he disrobed I was mocking him for being boring. </p><p> </p><p>

Gutted Akiyama lost. Gutted not to see an Ebersole cartwheel kick. Other than that, no fight bored me. Quick, decisive, to the point. Fast-forwarding to the fights, I got through it in under an hour & a half. Perfect length.</p>

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fun UFC show, that. Dug Hallman's outfit, mostly because moments before he disrobed I was mocking him for being boring. <p> </p><p> Gutted Akiyama lost. Gutted not to see an Ebersole cartwheel kick. Other than that, no fight bored me. Quick, decisive, to the point. Fast-forwarding to the fights, I got through it in under an hour & a half. Perfect length.</p></div></blockquote><p> You didn't see the prelims, did you? The prelims are usually extremely exciting, because these guys have nothing to lose and everything to gain, even if they lose... as long as they are exciting. But this time, I bet you are glad you didn't watch them. Only the first was good. The rest were blah. </p><p> </p><p> And the reason why you didn't see the cartwheel kick? Hallman took him down. In fact, Ebersole implied, in interviews, that he wouldn't have done it against Hallman anyway, because Hallman wanted it to take it the ground bad (and he did take it the ground anyway, so...) The Outfit itself? I thought it was funny... but wasn't actually Hallman's idea, according to his interview with Ariel Helwani. He lost a bet. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Matt Hamill has retired. No, I didn't care, either.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He claims he's too injured, and I believe him. He looked extremely out of shape and sluggish. But then again, he was always a bit slow, and whatever happened to him during training certainly made him even slower. I think he made the right choice-good luck to whatever else he does.</p>

[Fantabulous]

Glad I decided not to go to BAMMA 7 because Kong is out of the main event.

 

Hamill might be injured but he simply doesn't have the mental game to make it.

[brashleyholland]

Glad I decided not to go to BAMMA 7 because Kong is out of the main event.

 

 

Been on the cards for a while unfortunately. Saw Tom at weekend and knew that there was no way he'd be fighting.

 

But....Jimmy vs Trigg is a much, much better fight than seeing Tom get repeatedly taken down for 5 rounds :-p

 

We should be doing a comp for some free tix very soon, if anyone is interested..I'll post it up here.

[ampulator]

Glad I decided not to go to BAMMA 7 because Kong is out of the main event.

 

Hamill might be injured but he simply doesn't have the mental game to make it.

I think you are being too harsh on Hamill. This is a tought sport. If he was saying he was injured but still kept fighitng, then I bet some would consider these excuses, but he certainly feels strong enough about these injuries that it forced him to retire. Sometimes the physical can affect the mental, and it seems like this was case.

 

And for guy that I think was too slow in the first place to be a LHW, his record isn't that bad. He's fought most of his career in the UFC.

[jesterx7769]

I think alot of Hammill's problems is he is old and worn down not necessarily mental. The UFC kept plugging him as an up and coming prospect for years when in fact he is now 34 so all those injuries caught up with him. Jones destroyed him and he never really looked good after that fight so maybe that shoulder injury and rehab process are what did it in for him.

 

GG say they will do a UFC exclusive deal with Overeem. Is this there way of trying to save face and make the UFC look bad? Who knows anymore

 

edit: As far as the Hallman speedo I think Kenda Perez nailed it. Between his speedo and the shaved chest hair arrow she just couldn't take the fight seriously and I think that is what Dana was thinking. MMA is still trying to become legitimized (and has obviously achieved more year after year) and he doesn't want fighters joking around in such obvious ways that can turn people off (hello sponsor and athletic commission execs UFC is trying to cater to at the show), not mention opening yourself up to anti-homophobic remarks (Other fighters calling/tweeting Hallman gay, UFC is gay cuz guys dress like that and just rub on each other). And also as White mentioned, there is no real benefit to it. If you want your legs to be free you can where GSP type shorts for athletic performance. then of course you have the balls popping out and Hallman stuffing/enlarging his cup which White also didn't like. Did he over react? Sure. But I bet Lorenzo was also pretty pissed and embarrased about it or White wouldn't have said anything. The shorts were a loss of a bet and busch league, he tried to be funny and stand out but took it too far in his bosses eyes. Dye your hair, get a tat, say/tweet funny things, have a good entrance, lots of other ways he could have gone.

 

And before anyone tries stating its his freedom to wear what he wants, almost every business has a dress code of some sort so deal with it. That's part of being an adult in the real world.

[brashleyholland]

 

And before anyone tries stating its his freedom to wear what he wants, almost every business has a dress code of some sort so deal with it. That's part of being an adult in the real world.

 

Guess it was allowed by the UFC dress code then, otherwise he wouldn't have been allowed out of the staging area. All fighters attire is checked and approved by a UFC official. If they had a problem with it, then was the time. No good retroactively trashing a guy for breaking rules that don't exist.

 

I'm not saying that it wasn't a goofy thing to do, but the UFC is just as much at fault as Hallman for not having a stricter attire policy, when pretty much everything else they have is air-tight (unfortunately not like Hallman's shorts).