The Official MMA Discussion Thread

[ChrisWest]

<p>With the experience I have in colonic surgery (I have a lot even though I'm not a doctor), I would say a December return for Brock seems very early. Here's why:</p><p> </p><p>

1. He was probably in a terrible condition before the surgery.</p><p> </p><p>

2. Illness and surgery are very stressful. Both mentally and physically. The additional stress of a training camp won't exactly be helpful.</p><p> </p><p>

3. You're not supposed to lift anything heavy for 2 months after stomach surgery, so he has probably lost a lot of muscle. In fact, carrying less than 10 lbs in each hand is adviced as more can easily cause a hernia.</p><p> </p><p>

4. Your colon is used to absorb water. I've read that he had 12 inches removed, so weight cutting is obviously going to be harder for him. Not sure weight cutting will be necessary for him anymore, though. </p><p> </p><p>

If he returns in December and defeats Alistair Overeem, I would have to consider Brock Lesnar my hero and the baddest mf'er alive. Even if I don't like him as a person.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

The Fox deal looks good, but I do have a couple of questions. Is being on Fox (just talking about the main channel) as big as being on CBS? Is being on FX as good as being on Spike? Maybe better? Coming from Denmark I don't really know these tings <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

I like the fact that they're doing some changes to TUF. It's getting a little dull.</p>

[brashleyholland]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ChrisWest" data-cite="ChrisWest" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> </p><p> The Fox deal looks good, but I do have a couple of questions. Is being on Fox (just talking about the main channel) as big as being on CBS? Is being on FX as good as being on Spike? Maybe better? Coming from Denmark I don't really know these tings <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fox and Spike aren't even on the same playing field in terms of viewers. Fox I believe is basically in every home with a TV, whereas Spike is part of cable packages. I've heard from people in the US that they're expecting somewhere in the region of 14+ million viewers for their first Fox supercard...does that sound reasonable to anyone? </p><p> </p><p> Fox and CBS I believe are on a somewhat similar playing field, with CBS being slightly bigger. Someone in the US would probably have a better grasp of that though.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: As for Brock...he had the op at the end of May...going on three months ago. If he was doing an 8 week camp he'd have another month before he'd need to start properly if he were to fight mid-November, two if he was gonna fight late December. Does that seem like a reasonable amount of recovery time?</p>

[damonster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Eventually you find out that a corrupt/incompetent athletic commission official (lets call him Stu Mazzagatti) falsified/screwed up your drug test and you were innocent all along!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well if you don't fight it then you were guilty before.</p><p> </p><p> And I guess you don't vist the undisputed forums cus their was talk about having a story mode like that but many people were against it, although like the idea of a wmma type thing in ufc undisputed.</p><p> </p><p> As for career mode the stats thing is gone and you can now play as a roster fighter in career mode as well.</p><p> </p><p> And their is a new option fetured in <a href="this" rel="">http://community.ufcundisputed.com/forums/topic/511158?&p=ps</a> forum post called stamina simulation & looks really good. As for the roster <a href="this" rel="">http://community.ufcundisputed.com/forums/topic/510668?&p=ps</a> forum post has it all. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Looks so good.</p>

[ChrisWest]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fox and Spike aren't even on the same playing field in terms of viewers. Fox I believe is basically in every home with a TV, whereas Spike is part of cable packages. I've heard from people in the US that they're expecting somewhere in the region of 14+ million viewers for their first Fox supercard...does that sound reasonable to anyone? <p> </p><p> Fox and CBS I believe are on a somewhat similar playing field, with CBS being slightly bigger. Someone in the US would probably have a better grasp of that though.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: As for Brock...he had the op at the end of May...going on three months ago. If he was doing an 8 week camp he'd have another month before he'd need to start properly if he were to fight mid-November, two if he was gonna fight late December. Does that seem like a reasonable amount of recovery time?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Does everyone have FX as well, or is that also part of a cable package? 14+ million sounds really good.</p><p> </p><p> It depends on the method of surgery. As far as I know there are two ways to remove the colon, or part it. One method is to make a 2-inch cut in the abdomen and then removing the colon with long instruments with small cameras attached. The other method is a more traditional method where you make a bigger cut in the abdomen (in the 10-15 inch range) and then removing the colon.</p><p> </p><p> The first method is easier on the body and takes less recovery time. If the surgery has been done with this method (and no complications) you can probably go home after 2-3 days. Still, you'll have to relax to avoid a hernia and let the wound heal. Hopefully this is what they did to Brock.</p><p> </p><p> The second method, which is the one I'm basing my experience on, is tougher on the body and takes more recovery time. This method will keep you in the hospital for about a week, and even when you go home you really can't do much for weeks. Even walking is hard.</p><p> </p><p> He will have lost a lot of muscle. His cardio will be a lesser problem, but still a problem. He will definitely have to start training now to be ready for December. If he can get in reasonable shape in the next couple of months, I guess a return is possible. I would strongly advice against it, though. Especially against a fighter like Overeem.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: It also depends on how his condition was before the surgery. Intestinal problem can really drain all your energy. Hopefully he had surgery before things got too bad.</p>

[Bigpapa42]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fox and Spike aren't even on the same playing field in terms of viewers. Fox I believe is basically in every home with a TV, whereas Spike is part of cable packages. I've heard from people in the US that they're expecting somewhere in the region of 14+ million viewers for their first Fox supercard...does that sound reasonable to anyone? <p> </p><p> Fox and CBS I believe are on a somewhat similar playing field, with CBS being slightly bigger. Someone in the US would probably have a better grasp of that though.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> 14+ million would be a strong audience, even by network TV standards. Not massive, but strong. I believe the best the UFC managed on Spike was a bit over 6 million. Some quick ratings research shows me that the big networks usually grab at least 4-6 million viewers for almost anything they throw on. On Monday night, CBS ran multiple episodes of some show called "Bachelor Pad" (no idea) and it drew it at least 6m for each episode. </p><p> </p><p> 14m would be about what a non-major college football game or bowl game would draw for audience, well below what a meaningful Monday Night Football or big college game would grab. </p><p> </p><p> Is that number doable? In my opinion, yes. But it would take some strong advertising to get there. My belief is that the "core" UFC audience (that is, hardcore fans and the "strong casual" fans) is around 8-10m. Getting a million households beyond that is probably going to mean attracting a lot of the really casual fans. Fox carries a lot of NFL football, so they could advertise during those games.</p>

[Dustin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ChrisWest" data-cite="ChrisWest" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> The Fox deal looks good, but I do have a couple of questions. Is being on Fox (just talking about the main channel) as big as being on CBS? Is being on FX as good as being on Spike? Maybe better? Coming from Denmark I don't really know these tings <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I like the fact that they're doing some changes to TUF. It's getting a little dull.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> FOX is bigger than CBS, FX is WAY bigger than Spike.</p>

[Fantabulous]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> EDIT: As for Brock...he had the op at the end of May...going on three months ago. If he was doing an 8 week camp he'd have another month before he'd need to start properly if he were to fight mid-November, two if he was gonna fight late December. Does that seem like a reasonable amount of recovery time?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Dana has said that the earliest Brock will return to fight is early next year, so it's possible he'll make his return on the big show the weekend of the Superbowl.</p><p> </p><p> The first FOX show will be a one-hour show, so that's two fights. Some people might not be happy with that, but if they have two really strong fights, in terms of name-value, being only one-hour might allow for a better average rating because there's less time and no minor fights to drag it down. </p><p> </p><p> And FX goes into Canada in November, so anyone there is covered.</p>

[VTial]

Who believes FOX will eventually find a reason to cancel the UFC?

[Dustin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="VTial" data-cite="VTial" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Who believes FOX will eventually find a reason to cancel the UFC?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They signed a 7 year deal. Not the show by show kind of thing CBS did with Strikeforce.</p>

[ChrisWest]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dustin" data-cite="Dustin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>FOX is bigger than CBS, FX is WAY bigger than Spike.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks. I thought FX and Spike would kind of be on the same level. Seems like a really good deal.</p>

[VTial]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dustin" data-cite="Dustin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They signed a 7 year deal. Not the show by show kind of thing CBS did with Strikeforce.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I was just poking fun at the list of quality shows Fox has cancelled. It wasn't really in reference to what other networks do.</p><p> </p><p> Fox found a way to cancel Futurama thanks to sporadic scheduling and constant disagreements.</p>

[Dustin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ChrisWest" data-cite="ChrisWest" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks. I thought FX and Spike would kind of be on the same level. Seems like a really good deal.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'll clarify.</p><p> </p><p> FOX and CBS are both available in about the same amount of homes, but FOX gets more viewers. FOX is the #1 network in this country.</p><p> </p><p> FX and Spike are both available in about the same amount of homes, but FX gets WAY more viewers.</p>

[Dustin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="VTial" data-cite="VTial" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I was just poking fun at the list of quality shows Fox has cancelled. It wasn't really in reference to what other networks do.<p> </p><p> Fox found a way to cancel Futurama thanks to sporadic scheduling and constant disagreements.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> LOL true. FX has canceled some solid ones in its own right.</p>

[damonster]

Looks like "Mayhem" Miller is hot water after being arrested on suspicion of assault, false imprisonment. http://mmajunkie.com/news/24881/mayhem-miller-arrested-on-suspicion-of-assault-false-imprisonment.mma

[KingJoel]

Oh and some Russian dude called Rasul Mirzaev has been arrested for apparently killing a 19 year old. Bellator were on the verge of signing him.

 

http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5596:bellators-newly-signed-featherweight-has-been-accused-of-killing-a-19-year-old&catid=34:organizations

[damonster]

this is making me pump, for both season 14 & above.

[brashleyholland]

Dayum, Marlon Sandro got ICED tonight!

[Dustin]

One of the top 5 KO's of the year for sure.

[jesterx7769]

I have enjoyed watching Bellator. Their lighter weight fighters are def. some of the tops in the world. The way I explain the quality of their fighters to people that only watch UFC is how many of their guys are team mates at top camps with UFC fighters they just haven't gained their popularity yet but the guys are darn good.

 

They are still trying to grow their heavier weight classes but by focusing on the lighter guys they tend to seem to get more exciting fights.

[bigtplaystew]

Yea dude Bellator is good stuff. I dont have MTV2 in HD though :-(

[KingJoel]

Bellator 48 was actually the first Bellator show I've watched and it's left a very good impression. Every fight (minus Mr. Cole Konrad's) was good.

[Tag01]

The cast for this next season of TUF is excellent.

 

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/8/22/2377416/spike-tv-cast-the-ultimate-fighter-season-14-jason-mayhem-miller-vs-bisping#storyjump

[damonster]

I missed Curran's KO, i was watching they fight but was tired from the previous fight and the Curran one wasn't much to watch like I thought it would be so I stopped watching with 2 minutes left in the 2nd round to go to bed, check out the results next day and realized if I kept watching for another minute would have seen the KO.

[jesterx7769]

The cast for this next season of TUF is excellent.

 

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/8/22/2377416/spike-tv-cast-the-ultimate-fighter-season-14-jason-mayhem-miller-vs-bisping#storyjump

 

Seems like more guys than usual are from legit camps, so since I obviously don't know them that's all I could really go off. Hopefully that means this season will be more legit as I haven't watched TUF in about 3/4 seasons as I just haven't been able to take it seriously. I know I know its MMA and I should watch but I'd rather spend my time watching DVR'd HDNet shows or Bellator/Strikeforce events. Don't like Bisping or Miller though so def. won't be watching unless some of my friends really try to convince me this season is good.

[jesterx7769]

Bellator 48 was actually the first Bellator show I've watched and it's left a very good impression. Every fight (minus Mr. Cole Konrad's) was good.

 

I think the fight will leave a real sour taste about Konrad which is too bad. He was getting criticized for lay n pray but turned into a Stand 'N Staller which is too bad. In fairness Buentello didn't give him much to work with but that's part of the problem. I don't buy Buentello as a top outside UFC/top 20 talent, he is one of those guys that really benefited from fighting lower class guys before MMA got popular. Konrad should have taken him down and submitted/pounded. Konrad was probably worried Buentello would catch him on a takedown attempt (as all he did was wait for the shot the whole fight) but Konrad could have made a statement against an inferior opponent. Especially when there isn't much HW competition in Bellator.