Derek B's Mod-Making Guide

Harts4Life · August 5, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I always thought bumping was part of the basics stat since it's the first thing you learn while training.</div></blockquote> I think he means the Sick Bump option ...

20LEgend · August 6, 2013

Sorry if I've missed this but I was wondering about WWE being National. I get the reason for this but from a gameplay point doesn't being National limit the WWE in some ways, such as signing workers unavailable in their areas and only being able to get 2 TV shows (if you start with 2 or less). Not sure I have a question but it seems like WWE should be international with those things in mind. Or am I wrong? <img alt="

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alvarasus · August 9, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="20LEgend" data-cite="20LEgend" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sorry if I've missed this but I was wondering about WWE being National. I get the reason for this but from a gameplay point doesn't being National limit the WWE in some ways, such as signing workers unavailable in their areas and only being able to get 2 TV shows (if you start with 2 or less). Not sure I have a question but it seems like WWE should be international with those things in mind. Or am I wrong? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> Depends which era or what year your talking about. Before 83 on back Regional. 1984 until WrestleMaina I cult to High Cult. After WrestleMania I to WrestleMania III National. After WM III international up to probably the invasion angle. But right now they are National because they randomly tour other countries besides Canada but, not like the late 80's and 90's when they toured constantly around the world. So WM III to 2001 international. 2002 to now National. It does restrict you which is a problem in the game. Considering how the WWE got their television shows in the first place. When they took over Maple Leaf Wrestling they took the Television slot of that company over. Same thing with Black Saturday they bought Georgia and took over the time slot. Because of the deal with Turner and Crockett USA Network gave them another T.V. show. In 1985 WWE was overexposed like crazy you think now is bad. They had 7 to 8 T.V. shows in 1985 alone. Which is a major factor on why they went National. That not even including MTV specials.

Derek B · August 9, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="phoxy" data-cite="phoxy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Might be your product settings that are the problem. I have no problems doing sick bumps in heavily hardcore/daredevil promotions, but on the other hand, I tend to only hire people with decent performance stats, so good selling and/or psych maybe? Maybe someone else knows better than me.</div></blockquote> <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think its a combination of toughness/resilience/personality and their current body condition</div></blockquote> The size of the event matters too... workers won't take sick bumps on B shows, some might be happy to do so on TV but they are most willing to do them on big shows. That combined with everything you listed is pretty much all the things that factor into taking a sick bump. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="20LEgend" data-cite="20LEgend" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sorry if I've missed this but I was wondering about WWE being National. I get the reason for this but from a gameplay point doesn't being National limit the WWE in some ways, such as signing workers unavailable in their areas and only being able to get 2 TV shows (if you start with 2 or less). Not sure I have a question but it seems like WWE should be international with those things in mind. Or am I wrong? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></div></blockquote> Sorry I missed this before. The WWE doesn't really sign many workers from other areas... and of those, there aren't many who haven't already worked in the US already. The last person I can think of that might count as an international signing would probably be Sin Cara/Mistico... and given that Mistico was already travelling the world when he was signed, it doesn't seem unreasonable to assume that he was available in the US. In short... worker availability doesn't seem like much of an issue. As for TV shows, how many shows do the WWE have that really matter at all? It's pretty much only RAW and Smackdown, with the other shows all being B shows (at best) that haven't done much. With the AI now being able to use pre-show time, they should be able to use that to effectively build up their youngsters properly. If I was making a real world mod, I'd only set the WWE to have 2 TV shows... the others are just clutter that no-one watches and almost no-one wants to book. I'd have a brand split (RAW and Smakdown), with the RAW TV show being an unbranded show that everyone an appear one since it's a supershow all the time now.... and Smackdown would be for Smackdown people only. The AI should then be able to simulate the WWE fairly well with that set up. As for popularity, WWE would be big enough to be National in USA, Canada, UK... probably other areas too. But with the new stepped system for National/International/Global it would keep them sat at National despite their popularity in many places in the world. They'd only be a few points away from hitting International, but with a well balanced mod they'd need to find a way to get the most of their workers in order to gain those points. They have so muh talent that they could... and in reality if feels like they're actually trying to do that just now. Which is kinda cool. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">

20LEgend · August 9, 2013

Makes sense. Thanks <img alt="

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TLCJR4LIFE · August 27, 2013

I don't agree at all with the downplaying of John Cena.

John Cena is very much an A worker and borderline A+.

People downplay him because they don't like him because of the differences in style than that of the boom period, but the reality is Cena is every bit as big as Austin.

Austin's crossover career was an utter joke, and he maintains lukewarm reception even today. He really had a peak of about 3 years from 98-2001 then The Rock really became "the man".

The Austin-McMahon fued made Stone Cold, and turned him into an icon, but just because people perceptions of him are favorable due to nostalgia doesn't mean the current stars need to be so absurdly underrated. Every record Austin set in AE has been broken and by wide margins....Cena has been the man for a decade and outsold Austin in Merch and PPVs...hell CM Punk actually holds the single day record for a t-shirt.

People point to this huge decline in ratings...but it's an utter fallacy given the Neilson ratings have deflated due to increased television ownership. WWE is doing roughly the same amount of viewers it was doing then....and while there can be an assumed lack of growth given more people have TVs, there also has been an explosion in other crap for other people to watch, and the heavy use of the Internet which a lot of people watch the programming on.

Cena has almost every PPV record AND the runnerups, and, although still pretty bad, has had more mainstream/crossover appeal than crappy Austins, who's only real niche was being an Everyman who hated his boss.

Sort of ridiculous how Cena is perceived. He's AT LEAST an A...easily. Right now id only put guys like CM Punk at A-.

Derek B · August 28, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TLCJR4LIFE" data-cite="TLCJR4LIFE" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't agree at all with the downplaying of John Cena. John Cena is very much an A worker and borderline A+. People downplay him because they don't like him because of the differences in style than that of the boom period, but the reality is Cena is every bit as big as Austin. Austin's crossover career was an utter joke, and he maintains lukewarm reception even today. He really had a peak of about 3 years from 98-2001 then The Rock really became "the man". The Austin-McMahon fued made Stone Cold, and turned him into an icon, but just because people perceptions of him are favorable due to nostalgia doesn't mean the current stars need to be so absurdly underrated. Every record Austin set in AE has been broken and by wide margins....Cena has been the man for a decade and outsold Austin in Merch and PPVs...hell CM Punk actually holds the single day record for a t-shirt. People point to this huge decline in ratings...but it's an utter fallacy given the Neilson ratings have deflated due to increased television ownership. WWE is doing roughly the same amount of viewers it was doing then....and while there can be an assumed lack of growth given more people have TVs, there also has been an explosion in other crap for other people to watch, and the heavy use of the Internet which a lot of people watch the programming on. Cena has almost every PPV record AND the runnerups, and, although still pretty bad, has had more mainstream/crossover appeal than crappy Austins, who's only real niche was being an Everyman who hated his boss. Sort of ridiculous how Cena is perceived. He's AT LEAST an A...easily. Right now id only put guys like CM Punk at A-.</div></blockquote> You've got this so badly wrong. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"> Will go through it in a slightly jumbled order that will hopefully help clarify things a bit. + TV Ratings. Neilsons are irrelevant, it's all about hte number of people viewing. At the peak of pro wrestling there were upwards of 10 million people viewing the major companies (WWF,WCW and ECW) every week. Now there are usually less than 5 million watching betwen WWE and TNA. That's 5 million people who are no longer watching any more. That's a lot less butts in seats and a lot less people viewing, which in turn leads you to ask why? Well... in TEW terms, that means the company has fallen in popularity since that's the primary vehicle behind people showing up to events. And the reason company popularity falling is because they are putting on shows that rate lower. And in a company rated much more on popularity than performance, that leads to the obvious conclusion that the popularity of their roster must have fallen in order for their shows to fallen so far. It seems that no-one is in any doubt that John Cena just isn't as popular as guys like Hogan, Rock and Austin. Not a diss on Cena (who has once again been involved in 2 of my favourite matches so far this year, as he was last year and the year before...) but he's obviously not in the A* range as the top guys of yesteryear were. Guys like Hogan, Rock and Austin.... the guys who carried the company through their biggest peaks, put more butts in seats than anyone else and made Vince McMahon a billionaire instead of just a multimillionaire like he is now. The Austin-McMahon rivalry made more money than anyone in wrestling history to this day, and that was because Austin was talented in-ring, on the mic and hit levels of popularity in that feud that John Cena has never reached. A* + Secondly... merchandise/records etc... you threw in deflation of Neilson ratings as an argument, but forgot to take into account growth in the accessibility of PPV providers and TV providers along with more access to the WWE shop through online capabilities and similar. These grow year on year for everyone as technology advances so new records SHOULD always be set as a result of simply being more accessible. But as has been pointed out in the past, the WWE isn't growing as quickly as access to the WWE is... meaning that relatively they are doing badly, though in raw numbers they look to be doing better. In TEW terms, that means that they have been losing in popularity since TEW can only handly raw numbers and the scale is linear. As for PPV records... headlining Wrestlemania with Cena vs Rock was a huge success can because it was the most popular star of the WWE today (Cena, A) against a former star who has become one of the highest grossing movie stars of recents years (The Rock, A*). In TEW terms, despite the lacklustre build up to the matchm, the advance booking heat for this should have been in the A* region, leading to a huge PPV success. And you don't need to artificially inflate John Cena's popularity for that. A vs A* is a huge event and is covered perfectly well. As I mentioned somewhere in this guide, the reason the WWE is doing relatively badly now in TEW terms (while still being a successs, isn't like they are doing a WCW) is because of a lack of star power but NOT a lack of talent. Every wrestler on the roster has strengths and weaknesses, and someone like John Cena's weakness is a gimmick that is fairly low. If he was reinvented with an A* gimmick and found the right story opponent for him... that could provide a boost to segment ratings that could carry the company an extra 5 points of success per show, leading to popularity gains for him that could get him another 5 points of popilarity (that's 10 points total now) and lead to a huge boom period for the company again. And in TEW terms, that wouldn't be hard to do... particularly with some of the other talents around these days. + Lastly, a quick note on crossover appeal. Popularity in TEW terms is about being able ot put butts in seats. I can really only think of two people who have benefitted from things outside of wrestling and one of them is dubious. The Rock was alreadya huge star in pro wrestling, but his movie career has established him as a huge draw for life now... he was the dubious one, as he was likely already an A* popularity. The other is Brock Lesnar, who went from B (maybe B+) while he was with the WWE originally to an A/A* level guy now thanks to his legitimate success with the UFC. The problem with Lesnar is that being away from the WWE hurt his development as a wrestler, particularly in the performance row. It's why he won't be having any classic matches without an awesome ring general to walk him through... see CM Punk for a great example. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"> Everyone else I can think of has tried other things but not seen any gains. Austin was at A* popularity so couldn't really have gone up any further, but could've made a lot more money for himself if he had been a good actor. Hogan sucked and again, was at the peak. And for all of the lesser guys that have tried, they've mostly been in small movies... they don't hurt the wrestling popularity, but they aren't good enough to give them a boost in popularity either since it's probably mostly wrestling fans going to see the movies in the first place. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"> The WWE does a lot of promotional stuff with people but those little appearances here and there do nothing except to maintain awareness of the WWE and their top guys. Cena does more of that than almost anyone else... but that's to be expected when he's in the position of most popular babyface AND playing a wholesome gimmick. Good PR is good for the WWE... in TEW terms, it's something covered in misc costs and is the opposite of the "drowning puppies" type stories that sometimes pop up when companies are being mean to you. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"> So yeah, I hope that helps. I'm about to use my mod powers to go delete most of the posts between the quoted one and this one as they cover much of the same ground and don't really help with the point of the thread, which is to help understanding rather than debate things. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">

TLCJR4LIFE · August 28, 2013

Why are you combining the three companies?

WCW was on par with WWF and in certain weeks even beat them. TNA's viewers are so insignificant they are almost covered by ECW alone. What you are essentially erroneously doing is taking the WWF's views and doubling it. Compare viewership from WWF to WWE and the viewers aren't much different at all.

What exactly are you talking about? McMahon was never a billionaire, it's called kayfabe.

The product was worth more because it was hot and thus had more valuable shares but his assets were NEVER worth a billion.

Secondly where is your evidence to suggest they put more people in seats than anyone in history? Most of the gate and attendance records have been set in the modern era, by that Cena guy.

You are doing nothing but saying broad generalizations that aren't backed up with any fact whatsoever.

Also on another note Brock hasn't lost much of anything and certainly wasnt carried by Punk

It's just HHH is shot and works the same horrible slop fest that meshes poorly with Brock's work rate. Brock's match with Cena was fine as well, but of course limited considering Cena works the same match against big men every time

TLCJR4LIFE · August 28, 2013

<a href="http://www.profightdb.com/cards-with-highest-attendance-pg1.html" rel="external nofollow">http://www.profightdb.com/cards-with-highest-attendance-pg1.html</a>

So you have Hogan, and the rest are Cena with one in 92 when Austin was a nobody...

Even on page 2 there's still more Cena, and finally one Austin at WM17 when he wasnt even the face if the company anymore, the Rock was.

Teh_Showtime · August 28, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TLCJR4LIFE" data-cite="TLCJR4LIFE" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Secondly where is your evidence to suggest they put more people in seats than anyone in history? Most of the gate and attendance records have been set in the modern era, by that Cena guy. </div></blockquote> House show gates during the attitude era were hitting 20,000 consistently even without Rock or Austin advertised and HHH as the main draw. Now it is pretty rare for a house show to even near 10,000 in the states. And he's comparing the 3 companies because it's about the entire industry. The industry as a whole is not watched as it used to be so by definition it's impossible for guys to be more popular than others in similar positions except with more eyes on them. A couple of massive PPVs is not the equivalent to hundreds of live, televised shows per year doing better gates than most TV shows these days. Yes viewers might be the same but in a world where the population and amount of total viewers is evergrowing do you really think being the same as 10-12 years ago is an accomplishment? In terms of percentage it's not the same.

TLCJR4LIFE · August 28, 2013

No it isn't. If 5 million people are watching WCW instead of you then it certainly does nothing for your popularity....what is so hard to grasp?

Secondly they aired on the same night, so a lot of the viewers were the same people.

You think it was 10 million completely separate fanbases? Most people flipped back and forth.

Secondly I'm looking at attendance in 98 and pretty sure I see 10-14 k. Biggest ones being in Canada which is normal.

Thirdly there are MUCH more house shows in 2013 than 98...not even close. Of course they are going to do less numbers they go to every craphole in the country weekly.

If they go to Bakersville California in 98 they did 8k...if they go to Fairfax Virhinia in 20-3 they sell out and do 8k.

There's no difference. They've just redone the model. They no longer do house shows in major venues anymore, if you actually do this thing called research almost every house show is either abroad or in a very small market unlikely to get a television taping.

In 98 they routinely ran shows in Boston, Ontario, MSG, etc.

As far as percentages go, with the Internet and the explosion if programming in general, nearly every sport and entertainment industry has stagnated or seen limited growth. The only really hot product right now is pro football. But not having a hot product =/= losing a ton of popularity, and this is supported rather strongly by the live attendance numbers.

Derek B · August 28, 2013

*sigh*

Look... I don't want to say that you don't know what you're talking about, you clearly have read about things in real life and know your way around there. But in modding terms you don't have a clue what you're talking about. That much is obvious because every post you make seems to be you getting frustrated about something in TEW because you don't understand it. And then getting frustrated at people trying to help... it's hard to argue with you, because you can quote facts BUT you can't put them together to maeka cohesive whole. Which is what modding is all about... being able to take thousands of small pieces and putting them together in such a way that it all works. As for your last post...

The WWF/WWE beat WCW. There was an audience there that they could've picked up, and for a while did have some of prior to the invasion... that was a spike in popularity tirhg there. They then lost that by the terrible booking of the whole thing, which lost them the audience they had gained. THAT is why I'm adding the companies together and why I say that the WWE has lost fans. Because they obviously have. TV ratings of shows against each other are split as fans are forced to choose (pretty sure this is still in the game, it certainly used to be) and if the WWE still has the same number of fans with no competition, they are doing a LOT worse than they used to.

Next, comparing peaks/records is an absued thing to do. If something like Wrestlemania 27 didn't make a bigger gate than Wrestlemania 3 I'd be shocked! Inflation guarantees bigger numbers so of course monetary records are going to be broken all the time! And of course attendance records in places are going to go too... venues add seats and boxes and all sorts, and with WWE having seating on the field they can break all sorts of records there too for each venue. But you know what they aren't beating? They sure as hell arent' running three house show circuits at once like they did with Hogan around. They aren't able to run as many domestic shows as they used to be able to do because people won't keep paying to see them as often as they were happy to during the Attitude era. International growth is good and might make the WWE look like they are making loads more money... but when you look into account the really boring things like inflation then the WWE is making less money domestically than ever. Still making money though, just less of it. And that's because they have fallen in size in their main areas. And the international deals aren't replicated in TEW, so you can't account for that AND shouldn't try either.

As for Brock Lesnar... the guy is a phenomenal talent. I already talked about him at length here and hihglighted his strengths and weaknesses. The guy has a great top row, awesome camera skills, awesome physical skills... He lacks in entertainment skills, which is why Paul Heyman is with him to cover for that. Pretty impressive performance row too, but lacks in psychology on his own. And that is why he gets paired with guys who can cover that... Cena, Punk, HHH... some of the best psychology guys active on the roster and they are there to make a great match happen. HHH/Lesnar could be said to have bad chemistry (their matches weren't good compared to what I'd expect from guys of their talent) but the WWE have gone out of their way to keep Brock looking good by covering his weaknesses and maximising his strengths. It's why when his music hits, it's always awesome. He's over, he looks good and those around him make sure it keeps looking that way.

I suggest reading this thread over and over and over again. I wrote it so that people would understand things better and I think it would save you a lot of frustration if you knew everything here. I know it's a lot of reading, but it should help a lot as it has done for so many other people and helped make some mods even better.

Mattywood · August 28, 2013

If I may take the conversation on a left turn with a question, I wanted to ask at what number grade would a worker need to be at for Basics(and/or Psychology, can't remember if that's a factor) so that they don't get a negative crowd reaction? And I'm guessing product settings has something to do with it too. I ran a match with Fake Razor Ramon(Rick Titan) in NWAvsWWF's January 1997 mod(a great mod, btw), and I got the penalty that he got a negative crowd reaction. His Basics was rated at 56, I believe. But with Fake Razor, I didn't really have a problem with him getting a negative reaction because nobody liked that angle anyway. <img alt="

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Derek B · August 28, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TLCJR4LIFE" data-cite="TLCJR4LIFE" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No it isn't. If 5 million people are watching WCW instead of you then it certainly does nothing for your popularity....what is so hard to grasp? Secondly they aired on the same night, so a lot of the viewers were the same people. You think it was 10 million completely separate fanbases? Most people flipped back and forth. Secondly I'm looking at attendance in 98 and pretty sure I see 10-14 k. Biggest ones being in Canada which is normal. Thirdly there are MUCH more house shows in 2013 than 98...not even close. Of course they are going to do less numbers they go to every craphole in the country weekly. If they go to Bakersville California in 98 they did 8k...if they go to Fairfax Virhinia in 20-3 they sell out and do 8k. There's no difference. They've just redone the model. They no longer do house shows in major venues anymore, if you actually do this thing called research almost every house show is either abroad or in a very small market unlikely to get a television taping. In 98 they routinely ran shows in Boston, Ontario, MSG, etc. As far as percentages go, with the Internet and the explosion if programming in general, nearly every sport and entertainment industry has stagnated or seen limited growth. The only really hot product right now is pro football. But not having a hot product =/= losing a ton of popularity, and this is supported rather strongly by the live attendance numbers.</div></blockquote> I feel an example is needed.... Imagine there are 10 fans. 3 of them are WCW fans, 3 of them are WWF fans and the other 4 are wrestling fans that will watch whichever show is good that night. When they are against each other, those 10 fans will be watching those shows alll nightm, averaging 5 each (for the sake of example). When WCW died, their 3 fans left forever because they didn't care about WWF... leaving the WWF with 7 fans watching. Then years later, the WWF only have 5 fans... why? Because they lost the other 2 by losing popularity over the years, which was caused by not being able to maintain it to due lower rating shows. That is the point being made. The WWE have lost popularity. ...... The WWE no longer doing shows in major venues is because they can't sell that many tickets. They used to be able to sell that many, now they can't. They'd make more money if they could sell that many tickets... but they can't. That's because they have lost popularity. In TEW terms, they've gone from regular B+ rated shows boosting them up to roughly B+ levels of popularity that would also have seen them as high as Global popularity with them having popularity in many regions... to now having B- rated shows (though improving lately) and B- level popularity, which would put them at National sized with B- popularity in many areas... just not high enough to put them up a size. And this is because they've lost popularity. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt Shannon" data-cite="Matt Shannon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If I may take the conversation on a left turn with a question, I wanted to ask at what number grade would a worker need to be at for Basics(and/or Psychology, can't remember if that's a factor) so that they don't get a negative crowd reaction? And I'm guessing product settings has something to do with it too. I ran a match with Fake Razor Ramon(Rick Titan) in NWAvsWWF's January 1997 mod(a great mod, btw), and I got the penalty that he got a negative crowd reaction. His Basics was rated at 56, I believe. But with Fake Razor, I didn't really have a problem with him getting a negative reaction because nobody liked that angle anyway. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"> But it concerns me if when making a mod I rate someone who became a superstar too low in Basics and/or Psychology and they get a negative reaction as a result.</div></blockquote> It varies depending on produt settings and company size (I think). I don't know exact numbers for this at all, but low basics and psychology tend to be the main things that will get a crowd against you. Basically... if you look like you have no idea what you're doing out there at all, then the crowd are going to turn on you. As a guideline, well trained rookies from a good school would probably be in the 50-60 range of basics... with some exceptional guys coming out above that. Less good schools would likely churn out worse workers and anything below 40 is pretty bad, usually reserved for people who have very little wrestling aptitude, backyarders, immobile big men and Big Smack Scott. I don't remember Fake Razor's matches, but if he'd been around for at least a few years and didn't actually suck just by being in the ring... then he'd probably merit something in the 60s at least. But I don't know the guy well enough to be able to give a good comment. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">

Teh_Showtime · August 28, 2013

What company were you using? I think it might also be tied to size as well. 40 basics would probably be average or slightly below average in a small company, but in a National company that has vocal fans, it's pretty bad since big companies are supposed to be the cream of the crop.

Mattywood · August 28, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What company were you using? I think it might also be tied to size as well. 40 basics would probably be average or slightly below average in a small company, but in a National company that has vocal fans, it's pretty bad since big companies are supposed to be the cream of the crop.</div></blockquote> It was the WWF when I got it for Fake Razor Ramon. I've also experienced this running XCW(a Small sized company I added for myself in Fleisch's Real World Chronicles mod) with Barbi Hayden, who has 54% Basics and 38% Psychology. I didn't think with XCW being a Small sized company, that she would get a negative reaction. But on the flip side, XCW's product settings calls for them to attract very vocal fans(which is how it was with them... I would know, lol). But this is why I wonder if Psychology is factored in as well, because XCW had its share of spot monkeys who did high spots but didn't use a lot of psychology, but the vocal XCW fans loved seeing them. Hope this all made sense. EDIT: Just saw Derek's response that he edited in. As for asking about Fake Razor(aka Rick Titan from FMW), I wasn't really impressed with his in-ring work, so where he was rated at sounds about right. I was, however, impressed by Fake Diesel. Wonder if he went on to become anything special. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

SirMichaelJordan · August 28, 2013

What would be a good number to set dojo prestige that would be high enough to graduate talented workers but also low enough to not oversaturate the talent in the database?

Croquemitaine · August 28, 2013

There's definitely more involved in the negative reaction note than just Basics and Psych. I had a character getting that note in a CV97 NOTBPW game, even after he got his Basics and Psych up past 50, while other workers with lower Psych (one as low as 34) were not getting it. The notes finally stopped when the worker got all three of his technical stats to 50. I figured this was because of either:

a) He was a Technician and he was getting dinged for being bad at his own style, or

b) NOTBPW fans are just really picky about technique

I lean towards the former because there were plenty of other workers in the fed with sub-par technical stats (not many 'cause it's NOTBPW, but still plenty) and they weren't getting the negative reaction.

Interestingly, upper-midcarder RK Hayes also got the negative reaction note despite having perfectly servicable in-ring and performance numbers. However he did have a terrible Selling stat and I figured that might be the culprit. This suggests that all the Performance stats might be in play.

Anyway, my point is that it's clearly more complicated than just having Basics and/or Psych up to a certain level.

Mattywood · August 28, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Croquemitaine" data-cite="Croquemitaine" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There's definitely more involved in the negative reaction note than just Basics and Psych. I had a character getting that note in a CV97 NOTBPW game, even after he got his Basics and Psych up past 50, while other workers with lower Psych (one as low as 34) were not getting it. The notes finally stopped when the worker got all three of his technical stats to 50. I figured this was because of either: a) He was a Technician and he was getting dinged for being bad at his own style, or b) NOTBPW fans are just really picky about technique I lean towards the former because there were plenty of other workers in the fed with sub-par technical stats (not many 'cause it's NOTBPW, but still plenty) and they weren't getting the negative reaction. Interestingly, upper-midcarder RK Hayes also got the negative reaction note despite having perfectly servicable in-ring and performance numbers. However he did have a terrible Selling stat and I figured that might be the culprit. This suggests that all the Performance stats might be in play. Anyway, my point is that it's clearly more complicated than just having Basics and/or Psych up to a certain level.</div></blockquote> Thank you, sir. That really explains a lot, and now that I think about it, I didn't look to see what Rick Titan's style was. And IIRC, I think Barbi Hayden's style was that of an Entertainer(I should remember as I was the one that added her to Fleisch's mod, lol), and I think I gave her lower entertainment stats for balance, and to keep WWE from poaching her right off the bat. Again, thanks for your post. This will help when I'm crafting workers for my next mod. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

Genadi · August 29, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>*sigh* .... </div></blockquote> Soooo I replied to his post in detail, broke it down and provided numbers, links etc to debunk his whole argument. You deleted my post because you said.... <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm about to use my mod powers to go delete most of the posts between the quoted one and this one as they cover much of the same ground and don't really help with the point of the thread, which is to help understanding rather than debate things.</div></blockquote> But then went on to do exactly that <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I thought GDS boards turned face years ago, was there a heel turn while I was away?

Derek B · August 29, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Soooo I replied to his post in detail, broke it down and provided numbers, links etc to debunk his whole argument. You deleted my post because you said.... But then went on to do exactly that <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"> I thought GDS boards turned face years ago, was there a heel turn while I was away?</div></blockquote> <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"> I've always been heel, I just got confusing mixed reactions because I didn't always do heel things. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"> Seriously thought, I didn't mean to retread it but ended up doing so anyways due to a lack of foresight. D'oh!

phoxy · August 29, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I've always been heel, I just got confusing mixed reactions because I didn't always do heel things. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Seriously thought, I didn't mean to retread it but ended up doing so anyways due to a lack of foresight. D'oh!</div></blockquote> I always thought you were a Y2J type face. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

Genadi · August 29, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36188" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I've always been heel, I just got confusing mixed reactions because I didn't always do heel things. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Seriously thought, I didn't mean to retread it but ended up doing so anyways due to a lack of foresight. D'oh!</div></blockquote> Your Heel Performance rating is like 15% dude <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

White Dolphin · September 7, 2013

Two questions:

1)Is an addiction to painkillers considered as Hard Drug Use under Lifestyle?

2)When does the national spillover occur for workers pop?

Mich75 · September 7, 2013

Hi,

New to this game, and just looking for a little bit of guidance in terms of regular schedule vs. touring schedule in a real world mod...

I get that WWE, TNA, RoH, NXT, AAA, CMLL etc should be on regular schedules, as they already have TV shows set up in real life (technically RoH and NXT do monthly tapings for weekly TV shows - however, I don't think this can be set up in the game, so the shows must be taped weekly). However, what would be the suggested set-up for independent and Japanese promotions? I know that the indies can vary wildly in terms of event frequency and type, so they're probably best dealt with on a case-by-case basis, but for Japanese promotions I think the big three tend to tour for most of the year, building up to big events most months, and the only TV coverage (other than PPV) is highlights packages; so, does this mean it's better to set up the Japanese promotions on touring schedules, and just pick two months of the year when they won't tour?

I think with most of the indies I would tend to go for a regular schedule, and just give them a monthly event, which tends to be the case with most of the indy shows anyway, although when I've simmed through a few months you tend to find that many of them have picked up TV deals, which would seem unlikely (is this because their size is slightly too big?).

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