Tom Bombadil Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I would imagine that the attribute and push/pop stuff would merit a looking at, but I don't know beyond that. One of the reasons I want the demo is to see all this stuff in action! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D16NJD16 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 What are some main things with converting a 2016 to 2020 that will need to be fixed right off the bat? I know when you convert 2013 mod to 2016 that you need to re work the broadcasters Go to the mod forum, and check my comprehensive post about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Dozier Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 That was considered, but ultimately bookers tend to have high ratings in the vast majority of mods. Well, a lot of mods tend to be very poorly made, lol. So a bit disappointing to see a stat being catered to the overrating of shoddy mod jobs, instead of using a more wide scale. If a new booker is created and assume starts at 0%, is it going to take 10+ or more years to get them into those categories of being able to even have perks at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Well, a lot of mods tend to be very poorly made, lol. So a bit disappointing to see a stat being catered to the overrating of shoddy mod jobs, instead of using a more wide scale. If a new booker is created and assume starts at 0%, is it going to take 10+ or more years to get them into those categories of being able to even have perks at all? Booking skill isn't reputation though. A new booker doesn't start at 0 skill just because they're a new booker, otherwise that would go against trend of people being a skilled booker when they finally get the book. It's also not just catering to mods? It rewards bookers that are particularly skilled. It also gives bookers rewards for getting better, etc.. A wider scale might also make people feel the game world is too stagnant with bookers that are less than stellar still being able to get better and develop. At least, that's how I took it. I think it sounds like a great feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franticloser Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 To say a lot of mods are poorly made is a disservice to the people who dedicated their free time to making mods in the first place. Since starts to the finite degree are subjective it is really personal taste. If you don't like how mods are made then go make one and release it to see where you stack up with the others. Bashing on one of the aspects of the game that is a selling point for a lot of people is just overly negative without offering a solution. With booking skill you can actually refine it quiet easily when making mods. Paul Heyman is great Booker, Eric Bischoff is able to do certain thing well but doesn't think long term. Vince Russo needs a filter for his 1 good idea in 50 the chance to succeed. So we would rate Heyman probably at or above 85 Bischoff would most likely fall in the 60s-70s and Russo would be 40s-60s. Then you have some like Jim Herd who would be in the 20s or lower. Vince McMahon in the 80s would be in the high 80s, in the 90s he can stay there, then slowly decline to today where is probably in the 50e at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I think at minimum Bischoff should have access to Goldberg pushes because of well, Goldberg What happened after the fact is because he skill declined sharply and even then WCW didn’t hit the free fall with him as booker that came with Nash and then Russo. Both would be pretty dismal in terms of ratings and can quite easily be attributed to the lack of stars being made after ‘98 and certain ones hitting a plateau (Jericho, Benoit, Booker) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doogshere Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Hey! Super excited for 2020, currently dusting off 2016 in preparation. I'm curious if there is going to be simulated match commentary like there was in EWR. I always enjoyed that feature. Thanks! Can't wait for the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Hey! Super excited for 2020, currently dusting off 2016 in preparation. I'm curious if there is going to be simulated match commentary like there was in EWR. I always enjoyed that feature. Thanks! Can't wait for the game. My guess is no -- that would probably have been announced as a feature early on in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franticloser Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I think at minimum Bischoff should have access to Goldberg pushes because of well, Goldberg What happened after the fact is because he skill declined sharply and even then WCW didn’t hit the free fall with him as booker that came with Nash and then Russo. Both would be pretty dismal in terms of ratings and can quite easily be attributed to the lack of stars being made after ‘98 and certain ones hitting a plateau (Jericho, Benoit, Booker) I see Bischoff having 3.5 great ideas, going live with Nitro, putting the cruiserweights and technical wrestlers in the first hour as the announcers hyped the main event, and the nWo. Goldberg is the half, he had a guy with all the right tools as far as look and charisma goes. Put him in there with guys who could make him look good and put him on an undefeated streak but then didn't know what to do with him after that. This can fall into the category of bookers who can luck into a secret big push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenCycle Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 going live with Nitro That was not his idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 There were a litany of other things under his watch like the rise of DDP/Giant, the peak of Sting, etc. the major point being there was a point where WCW under his guidance had a ton of tangible success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 There were a litany of other things under his watch like the rise of DDP/Giant, the peak of Sting, etc. the major point being there was a point where WCW under his guidance had a ton of tangible success. My only issue with this whole conversation is that it also ignores the fact that Bischoff wasn’t the booker for most of his run — Kevin Sullivan was. Bischoff has creative input and ideas and the ultimate final say but the booker was Kevin Sullivan. Regardless, I think we are probably starting to wander off topic. I didn’t see anything in Adam’s post that would make me feel like bookers that didn’t have high ratings wouldn’t be able to luck into things, just that they wouldn’t have those hidden push abilities that might give them a leg up — which seems accurate to me. A bad booker might get a good idea or stumble on a good feud or push a good talent once in a blue moon but struggle to keep it consistent whereas a good booker is more likely to consistently evolve his/her pushes and roster. That’s what I took the post to mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kn23m Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 So bad booker is someone with 74 booking skill? Really?!? I "love" a scale that is used in this game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 So bad booker is someone with 74 booking skill? Really?!? I "love" a scale that is used in this game... No, someone with 74 simply wouldn't have access to the hidden pushes. It doesn't mean they're bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenborn Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 AI bookers who have less than 85 Booking Skill lose access to the 'big' and 'mega' push ability. This means they're less able to get new talent over or to exploit potential stars on their roster.So, if I understand this correctly, only the top (85+ skill) bookers will ever give a worker a Goldberg push? Or do I have that wrong? Perhaps 85+ means they'll give the right worker that push while lesser bookers might do it more randomly (or according to their attributes/preferences?) A big part of lousy booking is strapping the rocket to the wrong guy, repeatedly booking someone the fans don't care about to win in dominant fashion. I'm hoping that AI bookers wiill sometimes do this. Especially if they have low booking skill. It would be a strange game universe if every single time a worker receives a monster push, the AI booker just happens to be betting on the right horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeemuFoundation Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I doubt strapping a rocket on the wrong guy and having them dominate is ever really a result of "bad booking skill". The booker just has a personal reason to push that specific guy. A monkey can see when a push isn't working. The bookers know it. They just push the guy because they want to push the guy. It's not like Vince didn't hear the reactions Roman Reigns was getting. Of course he did. He just didn't care. It doesn't make him a bad booker, just someone who had his own reasons to push a specific worker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenborn Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I doubt strapping a rocket on the wrong guy and having them dominate is ever really a result of "bad booking skill". The booker just has a personal reason to push that specific guy. A monkey can see when a push isn't working. The bookers know it. They just push the guy because they want to push the guy. It's not like Vince didn't hear the reactions Roman Reigns was getting. Of course he did. He just didn't care. It doesn't make him a bad booker, just someone who had his own reasons to push a specific worker.For the most part, I agree with you -- even the best real-world bookers can make mistakes and/or monster push someone for, let's say, political reasons. My concern is that the 2020 TEW AI will book fairly randomly from one week to the next, except in the case of the top AI bookers in the game, who will periodically give purposeful pushes to only the most deserving workers. That doesn't feel realistic to me. I'd like to see the game occasionally monster push a character until they realize it isn't working. "Before I write the next chapter in my TCW dynasty, some of you have asked how the other top U.S. companies are faring. Well, SWF is now officially in Month 3 of the Prometheus experiment -- week after week, they're feeding him jobbers but the big man still hasn't gotten over..." Etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 "Before I write the next chapter in my TCW dynasty, some of you have asked how the other top U.S. companies are faring. Well, SWF is now officially in Month 3 of the Prometheus experiment -- week after week, they're feeding him jobbers but the big man still hasn't gotten over..." Etc. Hey now. You leave Prometheus out of this. He could be a huge star for SWF!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenborn Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Hey now. You leave Prometheus out of this. He could be a huge star for SWF!!!He could! Truth be told, I pretty much always hire Prometheus. Sometimes his Destiny roll works out (but sometimes not so much...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingRider Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="edenborn" data-cite="edenborn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He could! Truth be told, I pretty much always hire Prometheus. Sometimes his Destiny roll works out (but sometimes not so much...)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It worked for Khoklov! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moafnsteel Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I love this new feature, I am hoping that it really helps to shape the game world. I think the numbers seem pretty reasonable and should make it that good bookers are harder to come by, which I think is probably true in real life. I wish the feature had some form of way of incorporating the size of the company. I feel that you could be a good booker for a small or regional company, but not necessarily a good booker for a national or larger company. Either way, I am stoked for all the new features! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 <p>I have a question that sprang to mind. I'm sure it has been addressed before, but I searched and couldn't find confirmation, and I didn't see it in the dev. journal.</p><p> </p><p> If I'm AEW or WCW, and I sign a worker to a non-exclusive written deal, what parameters are in place to stop them from signing with WWE? Does being at war with them block it? Is it based on promotion size? Can we say "Nobody Above X Size" to stop them from doing unrealistic things?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregano Jensen Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 <p>Not going to lie, I'm a little worried about this. As a guy who tends to play long-term saves (or, more accurately, to sim 5-10 years into the future before entering the game world), I felt as though the biggest weakness of TEW16 was the AI's inability to move their characters in an intelligent way. (Talented rookies getting stuck in the lower midcard for a decade, main eventers who weren't delivering not getting moved down, etc.) So the feature I was most excited about in TEW20 was the promise of a fix for that. </p><p> </p><p> And now it sounds like only certain bookers (and if booking skill from 2016 carries over, <em>very few</em> certain bookers) are going to do those things at all? I agree that it makes more sense if good bookers choose their push/depush targets more wisely, but for other bookers not to even be able to try anything... just seems odd. Hoping I got the wrong impression from the entry.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UEWpro Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 So if I want to convert my current save to TEW 20, do I take my save file and put that into the converter? Then start up a new game and take over the company I had before? I'm doing a wwf save and I dont want to quit it. That's why I'm trying to think of how to continue it on the new game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janS Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Does anyone know if stable pictures will be 150x150? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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