The All Elite Wrestling Discussion Thread

[haloed]

I highly doubt AEW would move to Monday's anyway...after all the Kahn's have a pretty big stake in the NFL and have already said they wouldn't want to go against Monday Night Football. And I like them on Wednesday nights myself.

[ZMAN]

<p>AEW is killing it</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

I can’t get through a raw without falling asleep</p>

[Mootinie]

My key takeaway from AEW Dark is that Alan Angels has a bright future in the wrestling business.

[sheepy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ZMAN" data-cite="ZMAN" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>AEW is killing it<p> </p><p> </p><p> I can’t get through a raw without falling asleep</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How much better would the world have been had TNA won the Monday Night Wars?</p>

[haloed]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My key takeaway from AEW Dark is that Alan Angels has a bright future in the wrestling business.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed, the match from Dark and the one against Omega a few weeks back, really good matches. I definitely think he's earned a spot in AEW.</p>

[Rone Rivendale]

How much better would the world have been had TNA won the Monday Night Wars?

 

Hulk Hogan would be chasing the TNA Title for the 18th time.

[Makhai]

Hulk Hogan would be chasing the TNA Title for the 18th time.

 

AJ Styles would still have that haircut... And Joe would still have a penis on his face.

[cappyboy]

My key takeaway from AEW Dark is that Alan Angels has a bright future in the wrestling business.

 

Oh no doubt. This week's match on Dark with Rey Fenix was giving me flashbacks to Air Wolf's match with Fenix shortly before the Lucha Bros left MLW. That's how reasonable Angels getting the upset was made to look.

[milamber]

<p>- Dirty old man Roberts is going to rustle some Jimmies LOL. Nice to start the show with a brawl.</p><p>

- Jurassic Express vs Best Friends was great. Fenix with the headshot! MJF interfering was smart with his upcoming match against Jungle Boy. Luchasaurus vs Wardlow incoming?</p><p>

- Ford vs Statlander vs Dr. Britt vs Shida was great except for one moment when Britt stood in position too long for Ford to deliver a sloppy cutter.</p><p>

- Omega & Hardy vs PnP was good. I like Hardy's new submission. Oh my god they killed Sammy... again!</p><p>

- Taz still trying with Darby LOL. Shida mic time <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Nyla's smack talk game is on point.</p><p>

- MJF vs Johnson was a solid squash. Good agression from MJF. The shoulder breaker looked nasty.</p><p>

- Pineapple Pete vs Jericho was OK. Suge D has made the most of his opportunities in and out of the ring. Stadium Stampede sounds like a fun replacement for Blood and Guts. RIP Vanguard One.</p><p>

- Brodie Lee vs Daniels was good.</p><p> </p><p>

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[nerodragomir1]

How much better would the world have been had TNA won the Monday Night Wars?

 

HAHAHAHAHAH Bless anyone who thinks TNA had any chance in the world of doing anything but embarrassing themselves.

 

Those couple pathetic attempts at TNA on Monday's were nothing but a spotlight on how they never had any chance. WWE was better back then. Even if you took the terrible WWE of now, compared to TNA back then. It still would be an uphill battle. Anyone that even thinks about TNA beating & putting WWE out of business just makes me giggle.

 

Point is this, TNA was/is garbage. WWE was/is garbage.

 

I'd rather watch AEW, but even AEW has bad stuff.

AEW on Wednesday is the perfect spot for the show as well. It's fun to watch & there is nothing else to watch on Wednesdays so it doesn't even need to worry about anything making me want to turn the channel

 

LOL@NXT

[milamber]

<p>Wrestling Observer:</p><p> </p><p>

<em> AEW did break even in April, actually making a very small profit. With television not being taped every week, it has reduced costs, although the reduction of costs is not enough to offset the loss of the live gates from what would have been five Wednesday night shows, but the reduction does partially offset that. The company turned a very small profit between the money from TNT for television, online merchandise money and costs being down by doing all the taping over two days in Decatur, GA. This was done with paying everyone on staff and the talent, and the production crew was paid the same as they would have for weekly shows even though the shows were done in two days rather than five days. And there were cost savings by doing two shows where everyone was flown in and out once, as opposed to paying for everyone for five trips to various locations. But they would have likely had a very big month. They were expecting good houses in Milwaukee, St. Louis, Boston, Philadelphia and Houston, particularly since St. Louis and Houston are strong traditional wrestling markets and this would have been AEW’s first time in both cities. That, along with Rochester and Newark, which were figured to be two high grossing events, Newark perhaps setting the company’s all-time record, and this period was hoped to be where they start making back the losses of the first year, but with a pandemic, that period is going to have to wait.</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

Double or Nothing will be at Daily’s Place except for the Stadium Stampede match, which will air live from TIAA Field, with the match taking place all over the empty football stadium. The idea is similar to a famous Minoru Suzuki match at the empty Tokyo Dome a few years ago. The football field is adjacent to Daily’s Place as in the street fight with Matt Hardy & Omega vs. Jericho & Guevara on 5/13, they went backstage and you could see the football field, done on purpose because of what it was to build.</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>

Kenny Omega noted in Sports Illustrated that his being featured more as a top star is coming. “When it's time, which is sooner than people think, I'll remind people why I'm the best in the world. And it's coming. It's not a matter of if it's going to happen, it's just a matter of when.</em></p>

[ZMAN]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sheepy" data-cite="sheepy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How much better would the world have been had TNA won the Monday Night Wars?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Eh I'm the fence with that version of TNA. Lotta questionable decisions made there. WWE was also more tolerable at that time versus today.</p>

[Makhai]

Wrestling Observer:

 

Kenny Omega noted in Sports Illustrated that his being featured more as a top star is coming. “When it's time, which is sooner than people think, I'll remind people why I'm the best in the world. And it's coming. It's not a matter of if it's going to happen, it's just a matter of when.

 

I don't think it works that way. You don't just flip a switch and undo 18mos of dropped balls. But we'll have to see. Spending a year and half as a doofus comedy guy who lets jobbers kick out of his finishes sure doesn't inspire confidence. Some guys thrive with freedom, and others hang themselves with it. Kenny is very clearly the later. And if he wasn't apart of that tag match, I'd be asking if his days as the best bout machine are over.

[cappyboy]

AJ Styles would still have that haircut... And Joe would still have a penis on his face.

 

Styles probably but I seriously doubt that about Joe. Dude had Big Show levels of difficulty maintaining a personality or an alignment when he was in TNA. They'd probably have stuffed him in a penguin suit by now.

 

Or try and keep this on point, maybe he'd be Orange Cassidy with muscles.

[Rone Rivendale]

Omega can be both a comedy heel and a badass at the same time. He's made a career out of it.

 

Rock did both. Foley did both. I'm tired can't think of others, but they exist.

[Makhai]

Omega can be both a comedy heel and a badass at the same time. He's made a career out of it.

 

Rock did both. Foley did both. I'm tired can't think of others, but they exist.

 

The soft-spoken, thoughtful, white meat babyface who may or may not be gay was a character that had a lot of legs for me. White meat babyfaces comfortable in their own skin are the HARDEST thing in the world to find and they had one, plopped right in their laps with that Omegaman documentary. And they blew it, so he could be a spaz. This would be a tolerable mistake if he was still having 4 domers a year. But he's had 1 in 18mos. And he was the least important piece, who is jobbing out to get Adam Page over. Making it 3 successive times he's being sacrificed for someone else. At what point do I forget his NJPW run, and realize he's a midcard loser? Add in the fact that he's just let a jobber kick out of his moves, and I'm at the point that I fast forward when he's on screen, and that's all I have to say about that.

[Self]

- MJF vs Johnson was a solid squash. Good agression from MJF. The shoulder breaker looked nasty.

 

Time to be an old man yelling at clouds. I don't like AEW's template for squash matches. At least, I didn't like it for MJF and that Pres10 guy. This thing was structured like it was a video game, where MJF magically does 1000x damage just because he's a top guy. That's fine for Brodie Lee and the Murderhawk, but MJF looks like he's in the same weight class as Lee Johnson. One clothesline from MJF shouldn't incapacitate anyone (except Marko).

 

An MJF squash should highlight his strengths in the ring. Not just his power, but his speed, his intellect, his craftiness. I would have had Lee Johnson have 2-3 attempts at attacking, but MJF bests him every time. Because he's a better, more complete wrestler. Not because he's too high a level for jobber's strikes to do damage.

 

 

Brodie Lee continues to be missing something for me. It's his face. He's missing some expressiveness. There was a point where he was laughing off the pain. and it was missing... something. I imagine Brock Lesnar in that exact same moment and I can see why Vince didn't push Brodie. The fact there are no fans may have worked in Brodie's favour though. The crowd would have embraced him as a babyface when he arrived. Without them, he's been able to build a character that's easy to boo. Whether it's good heat or bad, I'm not sure. I'm certainly sick of him.

 

I liked Proud and Powerful this week. Were they babyfaces in TNA? They have a lot of cool double teams. Too many to cram into the cheating-heel matches they're having right now. Santana seemed to be trying really hard to bump his ass off for Hardy.

[Jaysin]

Two weeks in a row that Matt Hardy was involved in the best match of the show. Are we sure it's 2020?

[milamber]

Being The Elite 204:

Road to Double or Nothing 5/18/20:

[Self]

Hangman had an excellent monologue on Being The Elite this week. About wanting to come back to AEW, knowing it's a selfish thing to do, but being afraid he'll never be this over again. It made me like the guy much more. I see a lot of "sucks to be indoors", but this displayed a familiar inner conflict and sense of responsibility.

 

Meanwhile, Kenny Omega is waffling on with bad improv about phony fears of being upstaged in a nonsense feud with Colt Cabana, dropping real names like it means something. I like his wrestling, but I can't stand him on Being The Elite.

[Dalton]

Hangman had an excellent monologue on Being The Elite this week. About wanting to come back to AEW, knowing it's a selfish thing to do, but being afraid he'll never be this over again. It made me like the guy much more. I see a lot of "sucks to be indoors", but this displayed a familiar inner conflict and sense of responsibility.

 

Meanwhile, Kenny Omega is waffling on with bad improv about phony fears of being upstaged in a nonsense feud with Colt Cabana, dropping real names like it means something. I like his wrestling, but I can't stand him on Being The Elite.

 

Hangman is so freaking good isn't he? He quickly became my favorite after I thought somewhat negatively of him before Dynamite started. I hope and pray that the momentum he had pre-shutdown will continue as soon as fans are allowed back into arenas.

[Mr T Jobs To Me]

Christ on a stick, that throw of Nyla Rose into the corner gruesomely broke Britt Baker’s leg and she took a couple spots after that. Unsafe night with Fenix also catching 90% floor on that springboard.

[Jaysin]

The end of Dynamite was great. Got me amped for Double or Nothing.

[milamber]

- Mox vs 10 was a solid physical match. Interesting promo from Brodie. Was that a dig at Evil Uno & Grayson? Mox threatening violence and Brodie letting him was good, as was Mox's promo later in the show.

- MJF vs Marko was fun. Nice of JR to do a quick tribute to Shad Gaspard.

- The only footage from Jake and Arn's era I've watched are the Manias so I mostly know these guys by reputation but this segment still had my full attention. Damn... a Tyson/Archer tease. I would trust AEW to make it interesting but I'm not sure Tyson is worth the money beyond a one-off appearance for mainstream publicity.

- Give Darby a camera and he'll make something special. Return of the Bastard PAC!

- OC vs Fenix was great. Kip would make a good lifeguard LOL. Nice ladder match preview. Fenix with nom regard for his body.

- Statlander & Shida vs Dr. Britt and Nyla was good aside from Britt's potential injury. I'm surprised Nyla pinned Shida. The table spot was cool. No DQ should give then a better chance of stealing the show at DoN.

- SSN is perfect for Spears.

- Sammy vs Hardy was good. The golf cart incident ruined Sammy's love life LOL. Young Bucks! Hangman! Stadium Stampede has started early.

[crownsy]

Christ on a stick, that throw of Nyla Rose into the corner gruesomely broke Britt Baker’s leg and she took a couple spots after that. Unsafe night with Fenix also catching 90% floor on that springboard.

 

yea, I'm not sure who thought of that spot with Baker, but christ.

 

Like, it was predictable that throwing a much larger person onto a smaller person sitting in the corner with no way to control the larger person's fall from below would be an issue I would think.

 

Like, what was the correct way to land that spot they were going for? her having her legs flat rather than bent like they were so the chance of a broken leg was less?

 

Fenix just went to up and down, by the time the group on the outside realized he was going to be way short there was no time to really react.