Chaos On The Clarke! [Starship Mafia 1] Game Thread

[Leion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not at that time I didn't... Remember my post "I think there's a good chance one of you are scum, but your conversation of three sentences dragged over two day phases..." (Ok, it might have been four sentences). I did have a feeling, but I didn't know for sure until later... and I could kick myself for posting this since I was killed for it.<p> Gonvick votes on Opulent after Opulent claims, so I say </p><p> TNS quoted me outing MLT and Gonvick all in one of his MQM posts, after I was dead. I wanted to cry I was so proud of him.</p><p> </p><p> You though, lmao... "I'm sorry Mr. Gonvick, I shouldn't have questioned you."</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> See, you said you were going out for a while, so I waited until I figure your well away from here so I can post this without you even knowing until you get back in the afternoon... however long that is from now. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I am back! </p><p> </p><p> The thing about that was, it reminded me of how he questioned Ray the previous game before that. So I really thought he was town, in hindsight, I should have seen his late replies as more of a scum ploy, well I guess we learn every game. </p><p> </p><p> Anyway as for the game,</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BlueStar" data-cite="BlueStar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Or a redshirt. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> as someone who was recently the candidate to be a redshirt, anything else to add? what do you feel about the Emark wagon? Since you partnered with him recently.</p>

[Eternal Phoenix]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>EP is admittingly lazy in early phases<p> </p><p> Jaded is scum</p></div></blockquote><p> Well...I'm calling it the lazy. I just know I'm a dumpster fire of an early game player, so why bother?</p><p> </p><p> Also, <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Vote: Jaded</span></strong>. He's playing, right? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If that's the case, can we PLEASE talk about Jaded?<p> <span style="font-size:8px;"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">(we're doing that now, right?)</span></span></p></div></blockquote><p> We're doing it forever, if I have anything to say about it. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Shoot you are right, the first person to die is a red shirt.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Man, don't jinx it. The officers take all the risks and it's the redshirts who get murderated. It ain't fair, I tell you.</p>

[The Archer]

skimmed. dont have anything that jumps out at me at this point. in the mountians st cabin for weekend. n town eating breakfast. will catch up when i get home this evening.

[BlueStar]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> as someone who was recently the candidate to be a redshirt, anything else to add? what do you feel about the Emark wagon? Since you partnered with him recently.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When I playes Masons with Emark he played things quietly (probably knowing I'd be shooting my mouth off at all directions). I don't think if someone mentions the dreaded c-word, he should be suspected to be the Cult Leader. </p><p> </p><p> Personally, on the second part of the write-up, I think there is a town or indy player with an added win condition.</p>

[BlueStar]

Reading back... Leoin actually brought up the cult / usurper idea, not Emark.

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BlueStar" data-cite="BlueStar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When I playes Masons with Emark he played things quietly (probably knowing I'd be shooting my mouth off at all directions). I don't think if someone mentions the dreaded c-word, he should be suspected to be the Cult Leader. <p> </p><p> Personally, on the second part of the write-up, I think there is a town or indy player with an added win condition.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BlueStar" data-cite="BlueStar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Reading back... Leoin actually brought up the cult / usurper idea, not Emark.</div></blockquote><p> Een sekte aanduiden is een manier waarop uitschot kan proberen eruit te zien alsof ze de stad helpen.</p><p> </p><p> It wasn't implied that they would be the cult leader.</p>

[Too Sweet Spartan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> I think Paws might have some RL complications goin' on. Not sure if I can totally ignore her absence in the thread though. I'm on the fence.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's kind of where I'm at. Given what she has been dealing with RL, I'd rather not inactive lynch her day one. I'm still hopeful she might show up but I think I'd rather wait and hope Ray could find a replacement if she doesn't. </p><p> </p><p> That's how I first got involved in GDS Mafia (replacement for inactive) so I like leaving that door open for lurkers or people who just missed the cut.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Some people don't worry about votes on them until really late though, and that is irritating to me. Like Emark right now. He come off the scummiest of everyone so far to me, but he is always scummy looking. He should be here getting people's votes off him if he is town, so we can go on to someone else.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, I agree with this. I'm going to apply some pressure too <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Vote: Emark</span></strong> and see if we get a response talking about the sarcasm, quick shutdown on Opulent.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Een sekte aanduiden is een manier waarop uitschot kan proberen eruit te zien alsof ze de stad helpen.<p> </p><p> It wasn't implied that they would be the cult leader.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ik twijfel nog steeds dat er zelfs een sekte is, naar waarheid.</p>

[Too Sweet Spartan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Ik twijfel nog steeds dat er zelfs een sekte is, naar waarheid.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hmm, maybe that is too strong. At the very least, it isn't a priority to me until we see something in a writeup that makes it more clear that they are even here.</p>

[Too Sweet Spartan]

<p>Heading out for the moment but will be back before end of day phase. I'm getting the sense that people might not be feeling the Emark lynch or I think more people would've joined on by now.</p><p> </p><p>

For anyone not on the vote, would you mind sharing thoughts? I'm curious where people's minds are at.</p><p> </p><p>

1. Is it that you don't see Emark as particularly scummy? Or at least scummy enough to be worth the lynch attempt?</p><p>

2. Are you against day one lynches?</p><p>

3. Is there a target that you think would be a better choice?</p><p>

4. Are you mainly waiting to see what others do with their vote?</p><p> </p><p>

And again, hopefully Emark shows up and can defend himself too.</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ik twijfel nog steeds dat er zelfs een sekte is, naar waarheid.</div></blockquote>There is a couple things it could be, not all exactly town either. <p> </p><p> You were right in your first analysis, as far as about scum pointing out cult (Look over there!!) to seem as though they are helping town (same thing Opulent said as well). If there is a cult or not is to be decided, and honestly there is enough people, especially if the scum team isn't very big.</p><p> </p><p> Anyone on the scum team want to share your size with us so we may figure out if there is a cult or not? I guess you guys would know already, but I figured I would ask to see if you felt like sharing... Anyone? Emark? MLT? Blue?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hmm, maybe that is too strong. At the very least, it isn't a priority to me until we see something in a writeup that makes it more clear that they are even here.</div></blockquote>/nod.

[Emark]

<p>Sorry, was called out yesterday during the height of the phase to do an accident investigation. The joys of being a Safety Officer for a large agency. Got home late and went straight to bed.</p><p> </p><p>

What exactly would you like to know?</p><p> </p><p>

I don't have any scum reads. The easy answer would be to say Opulent because he threw my name out there but I don't even get a vibe off of him. As for Leion being mentioned in the post, he spoke his fee about a possible cult. Some of the recent games have tended to lean towards having a cult because of different colored text and whatnot. I don't know if there is or isn't. My first impression was a disgruntled guy talking to an audience of one. One that seems to be his only attendee based on him saying you're the only one again.</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Emark" data-cite="Emark" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sorry, was called out yesterday during the height of the phase to do an accident investigation. The joys of being a Safety Officer for a large agency. Got home late and went straight to bed.<p> </p><p> <strong>What exactly would you like to know?</strong></p><p> </p><p> I don't have any scum reads. The easy answer would be to say Opulent because he threw my name out there but I don't even get a vibe off of him. As for Leion being mentioned in the post, he spoke his fee about a possible cult. Some of the recent games have tended to lean towards having a cult because of different colored text and whatnot. I don't know if there is or isn't. My first impression was a disgruntled guy talking to an audience of one. One that seems to be his only attendee based on him saying you're the only one again.</p></div></blockquote><p> Why the sarcastic conversation earlier in the phase with Opulent? It seemed to go from sarcastic in a "this is day 1, are you seriously trying to start reading people?" to defensive in the next post when he called you on it, which come off like "what are you talking about, You ask a dumb question, you're going to get a dumb answer". </p><p> </p><p> Now, you might not have meant it that way, but if you reread that as an objective bystander you will see what I mean.</p>

[lukess11]

The reason I haven't voted is because I don't believe in D1 lynches unless someone majorily screws up. Everyone who has played with me knows this. I don't have any strong reads atm, but have been super busy this weekend so will read up again soon.

[Rayelek]

<p><strong>It is now Day Phase One. With 22 people remaining, its 12 to lynch. You have until 17:30 GMT (13:30 EST) Sunday April 7 (appx 3 hours), to reach a majority decision. If no majority is reached the day will end in a no lynch.</strong></p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Emark - 2</strong> (Opulent, djthefunkchris)</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>No Vote - 20</strong> (lukess11, Destiny, bak42, Tha Black Phenom, Leion, Imarevenant, The Two, I Effin Rule, Eternal Phoenix, Bluestar, BHK1978, Michgcs, The Archer, Too Sweet Spartan, Moon_lit_tears, Zergon, Teh_showtime, Paws7297, Emark, Eliphas)</p>

[Emark]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why the sarcastic conversation earlier in the phase with Opulent? It seemed to go from sarcastic in a "this is day 1, are you seriously trying to start reading people?" to defensive in the next post when he called you on it, which come off like "what are you talking about, You ask a dumb question, you're going to get a dumb answer". <p> </p><p> Now, you might not have meant it that way, but if you reread that as an objective bystander you will see what I mean.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But I'm not an objective bystander. I'm being poked as trying to fit in to a conversation because of a reply to your post that I thought was pretty darn cool. Being as we are faceless roles behind a keyboard, I did take that jab personally without a true context behind it. Was I defensive, yes but I also don't appreciate being told to basically hold my tongue unless I have something to offer. It's D1 and we're all trying to get reads, myself included.</p>

[Zergon]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Heading out for the moment but will be back before end of day phase. I'm getting the sense that people might not be feeling the Emark lynch or I think more people would've joined on by now.<p> </p><p> For anyone not on the vote, would you mind sharing thoughts? I'm curious where people's minds are at.</p><p> </p><p> 1. Is it that you don't see Emark as particularly scummy? Or at least scummy enough to be worth the lynch attempt?</p><p> 2. Are you against day one lynches?</p><p> 3. Is there a target that you think would be a better choice?</p><p> 4. Are you mainly waiting to see what others do with their vote?</p><p> </p><p> And again, hopefully Emark shows up and can defend himself too.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Guess I try my best to answer these even though Emark already defended himself so might be smooth case at this point anyway:</p><p> </p><p> 1. I don´t currently see Emark as scummy enough to attemp lynch.</p><p> 2. Generally I would say against. My reasoning being that I feel that risk (hitting a townie, potentially with ability) outweights the reward (getting a scum) based on the fact that there´s more townies than scum.</p><p> 3. No better targets.</p><p> 4. Not really waiting what other do with votes, more like waiting others to precent a case that I could get behind with (assuming I don´t have my own which I don´t at the moment).</p><p> </p><p> I guess I could fire question back too. Do you (or Opulent/DJ since they the other ones going to early lynch) feel that there´s something for town to gain if Emark flips as town? Or do you feel that getting mafia member early is big enough gain that it´s worth the risk?</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<p>Hey Rey, pretty sure TNS had a vote on their as well.</p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The reason I haven't voted is because I don't believe in D1 lynches unless someone majorily screws up. Everyone who has played with me knows this. I don't have any strong reads atm, but have been super busy this weekend so will read up again soon.</div></blockquote><p> Just so you know, no one has been asking people to vote. Weird of you to just throw up a reason as if you were being questioned about it. It's like you have a guilty conscience about something already.<img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Emark" data-cite="Emark" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But I'm not an objective bystander. I'm being poked as trying to fit in to a conversation because of a reply to your post that I thought was pretty darn cool. Being as we are faceless roles behind a keyboard, I did take that jab personally without a true context behind it. Was I defensive, yes but I also don't appreciate being told to basically hold my tongue unless I have something to offer. It's D1 and we're all trying to get reads, myself included.</div></blockquote><p> No, you're not an objective bystander, but if you read that conversation and put Opulent in your place, and me as Opulent... I bet you walk off with a different perspective on it entirely, then however you were reading it then.</p><p> </p><p> For the record, I don't want anyone to hold their tongue... even if I threaten to take them to the Smackdown Hotel.</p>

[Rayelek]

<p><strong>It is now Day Phase One. With 22 people remaining, its 12 to lynch. You have until 17:30 GMT (13:30 EST) Sunday April 7 (appx 3 hours), to reach a majority decision. If no majority is reached the day will end in a no lynch.</strong></p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Emark - 3</strong> (Opulent, djthefunkchris, Too Sweet Spartan)</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>No Vote - 19</strong> (lukess11, Destiny, bak42, Tha Black Phenom, Leion, Imarevenant, The Two, I Effin Rule, Eternal Phoenix, Bluestar, BHK1978, Michgcs, The Archer, Moon_lit_tears, Zergon, Teh_showtime, Paws7297, Emark, Eliphas)</p>

[Emark]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey Rey, pretty sure TNS had a vote on their as well.<p> Just so you know, no one has been asking people to vote. Weird of you to just throw up a reason as if you were being questioned about it. It's like you have a guilty conscience about something already.<img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> No, you're not an objective bystander, but if you read that conversation and put Opulent in your place, and me as Opulent... I bet you walk off with a different perspective on it entirely, then however you were reading it then.</p><p> </p><p> For the record, I don't want anyone to hold their tongue... even if I threaten to take them to the Smackdown Hotel.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And I do get your point of view, I do. And I could ask you to put yourself in my place, me as Opulent and you may have another perspective. But we had a couple of previous games that got heated and personal that was far and above worse.</p>

[Emark]

And yeah Ray, every vote counts even if I don't agree with them. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For the record, I don't want anyone to hold their tongue... even if I threaten to take them to the Smackdown Hotel.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ditto</p><p> </p><p> Playing coward’s mafia is no fun. Obviously don’t launch important info into the thread for free but more thoughts out in the open = more discussion = more chances to catch scum exposing themselves or town putting things together collectively.</p><p> </p><p> You could argue merely talking about game theory and setup got the don killed last game. Probably why people are questioning anyone thinking of a cult now actually.</p>

[Rayelek]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Emark" data-cite="Emark" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And yeah Ray, every vote counts even if I don't agree with them. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They all count, some just like to hide on me <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Imarevenant]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Emark" data-cite="Emark" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Was I defensive, yes but I also don't appreciate being told to basically hold my tongue unless I have something to offer. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nobody told you to hold your tongue, they were just reading what you did post. </p><p> </p><p> I think many found your defensive reaction to his read much more interesting than OP's read itself tbh.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zergon" data-cite="Zergon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> I guess I could fire question back too. Do you (or Opulent/DJ since they the other ones going to early lynch) feel that there´s something for town to gain if Emark flips as town? Or do you feel that getting mafia member early is big enough gain that it´s worth the risk?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There is always something to read from a lynch. No matter how that person flips we start to build a voting history, can see who pushed it, who jumped on late etc</p>

[Too Sweet Spartan]

<p>Thanks for the answers Zergon, appreciate your mindset.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zergon" data-cite="Zergon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I guess I could fire question back too. Do you (or Opulent/DJ since they the other ones going to early lynch) feel that there´s something for town to gain if Emark flips as town? Or do you feel that getting mafia member early is big enough gain that it´s worth the risk?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The conversation itself helps and a lynch makes things more clear. If we have 3 or 4 main people push for Emark and then later on he flips scum, I feel better about those who pushed on him. Likewise, if he comes up scum later, it is helpful to come back to this day phase and see who was pushing for us not to go for him.</p><p> </p><p> And vice versa for if he flips town, then I feel worse about those who suspect him and better about those who pushed against it.</p><p> </p><p> Obviously mafia isn't so black and white but still, it's a helpful starting point.</p><p> </p><p> Do I think Emark will get lynched this day phase? Doubt it.</p><p> Do I think town would benefit if he was? Maybe. I would say it is far from certain he is scum but I'm a fan of voting records and having people put recorded actions behind their words. </p><p> </p><p> Still, last game with Kijar and Emark (again, ironically) not getting the lynch early on benefited town in the long run. Since both players showed their skill/helpfulness later on when it was needed. </p><p> </p><p> I feel like that was just a lot of talking in a circle and not really answering your question but hopefully that helps. If it doesn't make sense, I can try to explain it better.</p>

[Too Sweet Spartan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The reason I haven't voted is because I don't believe in D1 lynches unless someone majorily screws up. Everyone who has played with me knows this. I don't have any strong reads atm, but have been super busy this weekend so will read up again soon.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Even if its night phase by then, I'd appreciate that. I feel like you usually have better and more accurate reads than people give you credit for. There's been a decent bit of times when I'm searching through old phases I'll find you pointing out people who turn out scum.</p><p> </p><p> It's just a matter of you pushing on them while you're still alive and getting others to understand/share your thoughts.</p>