Cool or crap? Single wrestler being tag team champ?

[praguepride]

I don’t know if it has ever been done before but having a singles wrestler win a tag team match. Cool or wrestlecrap?

 

The idea is you put a beast in the tag team round up by himself. Say Brock Lesnar who is able to essentially win nonstop handicap matches and secure the tag team titles by themselves. I have an idea on how to fake the game into doing it but just because I CAN do it doesn’t mean that I should do it...

 

Cool? Crap? It depends? You decide!

[ZonaCidal]

I would say cool. People will watch to see him destroy two guys at once. I would have him own the division. Then after a while, two singles wrestlers join forces to dethrone him. After he is dethrone, I would have them vacate the belt and a tag team tournament announced. This starts a feud between these two singles wrestlers and Brock.

[Makhai]

I would say cool. People will watch to see him destroy two guys at once. I would have him own the division. Then after a while, two singles wrestlers join forces to dethrone him. After he is dethrone, I would have them vacate the belt and a tag team tournament announced. This starts a feud between these two singles wrestlers and Brock.

 

 

It really depends on the guy, and the tag division. If I've got the Road Warriors, The Midnight & RnR Express, The Quebecers, The Hart Foundations as my tag division. Then absolutely not. But if I've got a bunch of jabronios like Too Cool, and Team Canada(Lance Storm & Whoever) and they're jobbing out to Brock? Sure. My rule of thumb for the tag division is that it's +1 tier. By that I mean if two midcarders get over as a tag they're as good as two upper mid throw-togethers. But unless you're positioning a tag division for ME status they should never beat two main-event throw togethers.

 

In context of TEW though, I wouldn't do this because the monster here doesn't get anything for jobbing out multiple people, but both of the tag guys take the hit for getting dominated. You're taking twice the damage for the same reward.

[Munit]

I remember Samoa Joe doing this In TNA with a lot of people hating it. I always liked the idea if it makes sense. We've all seen one guy beat down 2 before, although rare.

[shawn_waters]

You COULD do that and have it be very cool, or you could just give the other tag belt to a 10 year old instead.

[lr10540]

<p>I wouldn't do it. I hate the idea to be honest. I love tag team wrestling, when it's good. I think a good tag team should be able to beat 2 singles wrestlers just off the back of knowing what each other is gonna do and how to work together in unison. Where as the singles are used to wrestling in singles competition and have little to no experience with their partner.</p><p>

With that being said, I certainly wouldn't have a single wrestler beat a legitimate tag team, which considering you're asking about the single taking the belts, I'd assume you're referring to a legitimate tag team. I feel like it kills the teams involved and destroys your tag division. I've always tried to build my tag division up. I'd build it around main event level teams like Remo & Rich Money and the Bumfholes. In 16 I'd focus on those 2 teams until the rest of the division got close to or are upper mid and main event level popularity. From there you have another group of talent to headline cards and you have a great tag division. Jobbing that out to 1 guy just doesn't make sense to me. There's much better ways to build a bad ass monster that doesn't bury a division.</p>

[LoganRodzen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn_waters" data-cite="shawn_waters" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="50299" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You COULD do that and have it be very cool, or you could just give the other tag belt to a 10 year old instead.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> LOL <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Not really something I would go for in particular. If you want to get them over as a beast, you can do that without devastating your entire tag division. But that's the joy of TEW, what you book won't be what I book and vice versa.</p>

[The Nickman]

<p>I actually like it as a cool storyline for something different.</p><p> </p><p>

Is there any way you can do it in game? I don’t think there is, is there?</p>

[ShaunGBD]

You COULD do that and have it be very cool, or you could just give the other tag belt to a 10 year old instead.

 

Wwe would never do that right???

[HarryFandango86]

It’s a good idea. I’d personally be choosey about which tag teams get dominated though, I’d hate to see say, the Dudley boys, used in such a way.

[iruleall15]

Crap for me. Im a huge tag division fan and having 1 guy dominate a tag team instantly buries your entire division imo. I take pride in my tag teams being among the best in the world let alone in my company.

[D-Lyrium]

If you have a weak tag division it could be cool. But for a strong tag division it would cause quite a bit of damage IMO. It would do more harm to the tag division than it would benefit the worker, both in TEW and kayfabe terms IMO.

[RatedRKO16]

I like it. Its not a story that has been done a million times over. New things are intriguing even if later on they are considered "wrestlecrap". If I were watching your show, I would think 'at least they're trying to do something different.'

[praguepride]

Wwe would never do that right???

 

As far as I can tell the WWE has never done that which means it is either too creative for them to handle properly or too crap for even the kings of garbage.

[steev42]

As far as I can tell the WWE has never done that which means it is either too creative for them to handle properly or too crap for even the kings of garbage.

 

Braun Strowman & Nicholas?

[praguepride]

I actually had no idea that happened. Goddammit WWE...

[St. Templar]

You COULD do that and have it be very cool, or you could just give the other tag belt to a 10 year old instead.

 

Vince?

 

St.T

[Spud1305]

You COULD do that and have it be very cool, or you could just give the other tag belt to a 10 year old instead.

 

Even better was that the kid was the Referee's son!!!

(True story)

[Remianen]

Crap for me. Im a huge tag division fan and having 1 guy dominate a tag team instantly buries your entire division imo. I take pride in my tag teams being among the best in the world let alone in my company.

 

So much this. I don't think there is ever a good reason for it. If your tag division is just a bunch of singles wrestlers paired up for something to do, you don't have a tag division.

[redhilleagle]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="50299" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So much this. I don't think there is ever a good reason for it. If your tag division is just a bunch of singles wrestlers paired up for something to do, you don't have a tag division.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As much as I agree 96% with you on this, and I am usually very old school in my thinking, I actually think this could make a good story "once in a lifetime". Do it once, never again.</p><p> </p><p> A very surprising team somehow win the titles (by cheating, manager interference, whatever), when I say surprising, I mean someone like the Beverly Brothers from the early 90's. They get cocky and set an open challenge. The latest "beast" takes them up on it, but due to the dis-advantage, he sets a "no-one at ringside" rule or a cage match. He wins it, either by pure domination of being a beast or the other team have some mis-communication.</p><p> </p><p> I think the angle could only last a month or two (maybe the tag team win the first match with manager interference again).</p><p> </p><p> In the spirit of Kayfabe, I'm usually against this kind of thing, but as I said, done once, and done short, and done RIGHT, it might make a cool little angle.</p><p> </p><p> This could possibly be useful for the following: Cement your singles guy as an absolute beast - Set up a storyline of your tag team splitting up following the mis-communication.</p><p> </p><p> I think it's harsh to say there is NEVER a good reason for this, as in the words of Bruce Prichard - It's gives us something new / different to show the audience.</p>

[iruleall15]

As much as I agree 96% with you on this, and I am usually very old school in my thinking, I actually think this could make a good story "once in a lifetime". Do it once, never again.

 

A very surprising team somehow win the titles (by cheating, manager interference, whatever), when I say surprising, I mean someone like the Beverly Brothers from the early 90's. They get cocky and set an open challenge. The latest "beast" takes them up on it, but due to the dis-advantage, he sets a "no-one at ringside" rule or a cage match. He wins it, either by pure domination of being a beast or the other team have some mis-communication.

 

I think the angle could only last a month or two (maybe the tag team win the first match with manager interference again).

 

 

In the spirit of Kayfabe, I'm usually against this kind of thing, but as I said, done once, and done short, and done RIGHT, it might make a cool little angle.

 

This could possibly be useful for the following: Cement your singles guy as an absolute beast - Set up a storyline of your tag team splitting up following the mis-communication.

 

I think it's harsh to say there is NEVER a good reason for this, as in the words of Bruce Prichard - It's gives us something new / different to show the audience.

 

 

The way I look at it. Is even if a team gets the titles in a fluke they still managed to keep up with the champs in a match enough to pull a win out. Which means a singles guy has easily beaten the fluke champs but this also means this guy can beat the previous champs since the singles guy beat them. Which now means this singles guy can beat any team on his own. Add in even a moderately half decent worker and you make it seem like this is the greatest team ever. I forgot where this quote came.from but I live by "A great tag team should beat 2 great singles wrestlers in a tag match".

[Kijar]

The way I look at it. Is even if a team gets the titles in a fluke they still managed to keep up with the champs in a match enough to pull a win out. Which means a singles guy has easily beaten the fluke champs but this also means this guy can beat the previous champs since the singles guy beat them. Which now means this singles guy can beat any team on his own. Add in even a moderately half decent worker and you make it seem like this is the greatest team ever. I forgot where this quote came.from but I live by "A great tag team should beat 2 great singles wrestlers in a tag match".

 

I guess it would just have to be the right guy.

 

TNA did it memorably with Matt Morgan as the sole tag team champion when Hernandez got injured. They started a feud between the two while they were champs, used it to elevate Morgan in the split. I loved it as a Matt Morgan guy, but like someone said before about a Samoa Joe (deservedly dominant), it was met with mixed reviews.

 

I think what you all are missing is if its a big enough guy (popularity, overness, and size), taking down the, lets say, undercard of your tag team division on their reign wouldn't be so bad. Those guys will either get their day or never would have anyways. So don't put them over the guys that make your tag team division what it is.. put them over everyone else. They should beat the teams like Robert Roode and Dolph Ziggler, that have no reason to be a team. Then.. one lucky team gets to dethrone a dude who just toppled most of the division singlehandedly and that would be a big plus.

 

There are scenarios.

 

If Strowman went over somebody like Lucha House Party or Titus Worldwide or B-Team at Mania instead of freaking Cesaro and (the somewhat despised) multi-time World Champ Sheamus it wouldn't have been so bad.. he did vacate them right away after all.

[redhilleagle]

The way I look at it. Is even if a team gets the titles in a fluke they still managed to keep up with the champs in a match enough to pull a win out. Which means a singles guy has easily beaten the fluke champs but this also means this guy can beat the previous champs since the singles guy beat them. Which now means this singles guy can beat any team on his own. Add in even a moderately half decent worker and you make it seem like this is the greatest team ever. I forgot where this quote came.from but I live by "A great tag team should beat 2 great singles wrestlers in a tag match".

 

But "sport" doesn't always work like that. Take football, or soccer for our American friends, in the Premier League, anyone can beat anyone on their day. Sure, the best always always end up on top more consistently, but every now and then, David does beat Goliath.

[Blake Trask]

Could maybe see it being done well in very edge cases but would never book it because I value my actual tag teams too highly to sacrifice them to the monster throne. It'd need to be yeah I dunno, something like an against all the odds triumph of a babyface whose partner got hurt somehow managing to triumph against the dastardly champs (and even then I'd still be more inclined to have the injured partner make a heroic comeback or an unlikely third party coming to the rescue).

 

The tag division is extremely valuable to me: they often are key components to my roster to the point they are easily viable as main event matches and spotlight feud. If I'm spotlighting them to such an extent, no single wrestler should be good enough to beat a top tier team. I'm promoting them as the best teams in the world!

 

Only time I'd put a singles guy over 2v1 would be against a jobber team and even then to my recollection the last time I did something like that was a monster crushing one of them in a match and then beating up the other one afterwards.

[SammyT93]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Spud1305" data-cite="Spud1305" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="50299" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Even better was that the kid was the Referee's son!!! <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> (True story)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> With all the schools closed I'm surprised they didn't bring him back for a second run with the belts <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>