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    Official NFL Discussion Thread

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    I still think Brady is 1

     

    I don't pick a great QB based off stats because stats can lie.

     

    Brady is 3 of 4 in Superbowls, there is still no other QB I would want when the game is on the line (who plays right now)

     

    If you do it purely off of numbers for the last 9 years Peyton is really only beating Tom by 1 season..... What..... Tom only played one game in one of those 9 season..... :eek:

     

     

    Brady's career record is 97-30 in the Regular season and 14-4 in the playoffs including 3-1 in the superbowl.

     

    Manning's career record for just 9 season is (01-02 till now) 105- 39 (remind you Brady was out of 08-09) and his playoff record is 9-9 and 1-1 in the Superbowl

     

    See your arguement is weird about Manning calling his plays because most coaches have let Favre call his own plays as well and he is 1-1 in the superbowl to, I have even read that Brady as called plays himself along with Big Ben.

     

    But a winner is more important than a guy who can win an MVP every year and if you add the one year Brady was hurt into the mix he still would have had more wins and less loses

    Official MLB Discussion Thread

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    Yeah when we made that trade in what 04? We didn't have Carp yet, Wainwright was in the minors and our rotation had guys like Matt Morris (who I thought would wind up being an ace himself and did hold the fort down for quite a while) and then it was just really good journymen the type that Duncan can really work some magic with. Guys like Suppan, Williams, etc. I think we had Carp but it was his first year with us coming off of surgery nobody expected him to become a Cy Young winner.

     

    So yeah Haren for Mulder who was already a proven ace at the time seemed like a great deal but for whatever reason bad luck or Oakland running his arm into the ground he never got right with us.

     

    you did, you signed him in 03 I believe but he was still coming off tommy john in 02. In 04 he pitched wonderfully for you guys but was benched in the playoffs due to a pinch nerve

     

    He reminds me a lot of J. Santana. start of his career was very rocky, then you guy stole him (signed him dirty cheap when many casted him off) coming off TJS and he won 15 games, then a CY young and got hurt again

     

    But Chris was never considered a good pitcher until he went to St. Louis so that was just a smart baseball move by you guys

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    Ha no the last pitcher who we turned into a hitter only did so for a year. I knew Ankiel was a fraud a wolf in sheep's clothing and I was hoping we'd move him after that first year. Even that first year he trailed off severely at the end due to "injury". In reality pitchers figured the guy out.

     

    I feel good about our team Molina, Pujols (if he resigns), Schumaker, Ryan, Freese, Rasmus, and Holliday are all fairly young and should be around for quite a while longer.

     

    I think you guys will still do well with out Pujols if he elected to play somewhere else. I have always believed great teams prepare for the worst and have a plan. You guys have a solid team top to bottom and really should do fine, keep the pitching intact, and keep playing sound baseball and it will be fine

     

    Like the Rays, they are built for a long time because they don't go out and trade prospects for rent a players. Jennings has improved his numbers in each level of the Minors and reminds a lot of people of a Crawford, we have Zobrist who can play so many position and so can S-Rod. just like the Cards and Twins they are a well put together team

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    Shelby Miller, adam ottavino and PJ Walters are all in the minors waiting to get called up and all are supposed to be excellent pitchers. Reminds me when we had Haren, Reyes and Wainwright in the minors. Of course we traded Haren for Mulder and Reyes forgot how to pitch after 2006 but still.

     

    can he hit :p

    Official NFL Discussion Thread

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    But the entire reason they wanted to redo the labor agreement was because they said they weren't making any money. If that's the assertion, prove it. The fact of the matter is, a handful of teams are still making money hand over fist but the majority of teams, aren't. THAT'S the issue. But no one wants to come out and say that because the last labor agreement was supposed to help provide the elusive 'parity'. So large market teams couldn't run roughshod over teams like Green Bay merely by outspending them.

     

     

     

    Bart Starr and many of the older players talked down about the modern game well before the retired players benefit issue(s) came up. Today's players are 'soft' and 'coddled' and 'overpaid' according to people like Mel Blount and the like. They're right in many cases but that just proves this isn't a 'today' thing revolving around this issue. I'm not defending either side (re-read my post. I castigated both sides for their idiocy), merely pointing out each's faux pas.

     

     

     

    err, project much? A work stoppage would be disastrous for both sides. Don't kid yourself and think the owners don't care or are somehow relishing the prospect of a lockout. Just wait until the fallout from American Needle comes. If the owners don't get the same privilege as the league, they'll be much more willing to negotiate, I wager.

     

     

     

    Tell me something, how many of those people who 'bust their butts for 300 days out of the year just to make enough to feed their family' risk permanent disability every, oh, 8 seconds while on the job? How many of those people mortgage their future every single minute they're working? Maybe I'm odd but I don't judge a person by how they make their money. I know, crazy! Whether you're a trafficker or a CEO, somebody values your ability enough to pay you to do what you do. I know of strippers who work 4 months out of the year and make more than ENTIRE HOUSEHOLDS. I guess I should hate on them because I work 12 months out of the year (though I earn more)? If someone offered you 2 mil a year to jump rope for 8 hours once a week for 8 months, you'd take it (though I'm sure you're going to say you wouldn't).

     

    'Earn your money' is correct, which would suggest to me a bonus system should be in place. However, bonus systems don't allow for static, predictable salary amounts so would work against a cap. Tell me, who pushed hard for a salary cap? The players? Who gave a rookie a record deal before he had ever stepped foot in a pro huddle? The players? Who signs the checks that the players cash? I guess that's the players too, huh? G'head and keep thinking the owners are pristine and angelic and are somehow being held at gunpoint. You also seem to have a faulty memory when it comes to players having to give money back (see: Sanders, Barry and Rogers, Charles) but this isn't about facts, now is it?

     

    And I seriously don't see your beef about that lawsuit. Might wanna read up on corporate law (or not, and just stew over it forever). An employee driving recklessly ('illegal u-turn') while in the process of conducting business for the company can be considered an agent of the company in many jurisdictions, making the company liable for their poor judgment. But given the fact that many civil suit awards are tax deductible (or covered by insurance), I don't see the beef. Unless we're talking about a non-corporate entity (SP or similar). And yes, both the Pacers and the Pistons had to pay out for that incident, but it was handled in large part by the league (and several of the cases were outright dismissed, like this one). But again, don't let facts get in the way of your catharsis.

     

    it's funny you would use that word sense I didn't use any form of art

     

     

    my memory isn't faulty, you seem to forget there was a reason those players had to give back money. Not because they played bad, but beacause they breached contract. Sanders retired early (remember Williams, Ricky did they same thing, Dolphins wanted their money back, so he came back) Players like Vick and Rogers did things to get them in trouble with the league, which got them suspended

     

    coal workers, Fisherman, anyone doing manual labor

     

    Lol and I don't have beef with the lawsuit, it was a point to why I side with the owners. This is their business and they take all the responsibility, not the players. Player truly don't have as much responsibility as you think they hold.

     

    Case in point, Michael Clayton last year had a horrible season, and a memorable quote he made after a loss was "Nothing I can do, the check is in the bank" that's great

     

    and also I don't see how the American Needle case would hurt the owners if they won? they at that point could make slotted wages for coaches and players, and pretty much make the union not matter.

     

    And that's great you know strippers

    Official NFL Discussion Thread

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    Remi I am not taking anything the media is feeding me.

     

    I could careless about what anyone has to say about any of this labor crap. My family has owned a business for years (45 to be exact) and I was alway taught one thing, earn your money. So I don't care that players are crying because they don't get all this league revenue sharing, why.... simple their contracts is the money they get for people coming to the games and watching them.

     

    If they fail (Michael Clayton, J. Russell, R. Leaf) they still get paid, you don't see teams getting that money back. Owners take all the risk like with Ron Artest running into the stands, sure Artest got into trouble, but what do you think happened to the Pacers, you don't think they didn't have to pay money to those people? there once once a guy working for my family's company and he made an illegal U-turn and hit and killed a women on a bike. Now even though he made the U-turn and it was his choice, my family got sued for 3 million dollars.

     

    Also, who cares if the owners don't show their records, they aren't owned in the stock market so honestly they don't have to show their records. Plus who cares, we know what they charge for all the stuff we buy, do you believe they are struggling? I don't.

     

    The players aren't victims, real victims are retired players who are getting benefits. Funny thing about all this is, is why you defend these players, notice not a single old timer has come out and supported them? Bart Starr doesn't even talk about the new age of football

     

    Players are just a bunch of cry babies, get over it. Go ahead and talk about how I sound like someone who never made it, I don't care. Personally I think I sound like a business man who understands Business. Because guess what, when the stirke happens Owners aren't going to care as much as you think. this ownership mode they are in, is just fun and games for them, they have real companies they still work with (not all but a good amount) so they will go back to working after this.

     

    One last thing, I am shocked that anyone would support the players in this. We are talking about a bunch of millionaires (which 75% are bankrupt by their 4 year retired) crying because they want more money? really you work year round, but honestly you only work for maybe 8 months out of the year. others bust their butts for 300 days out of the year just to make enough to feed their family

     

    So go ahead Remi, go off on your own rant, where you cut people down cuz they don't support your idea because it's what you always do

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    P.S MSG is an eyesore and so far everyone has agreed

    Official NFL Discussion Thread

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    I think Ravens win that divison to me

     

    their first two picks were solid, Kindle will be the next A. Thomas for them and Cody is just a huge (HUGE) body for the 3-4 front

     

    Boldin was a great pick up as well.

     

     

    It will come down to QB's in the league, how will Ben do when he gets back, and how does his replacement do while he's gone. Can Carson stay healty? will Joe F. become a great QB this year, he had a good year last year, Cam Cameron has another year with him (guy who helped develop Brees and Rivers in SD) and they have two RB, two TE, and two WR plus a great O-Line and D

    Official NFL Discussion Thread

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    So, Mr. Revis, he of the Jets, says he is looking for a contract in the vicinity of $20 million per year.

     

    I'd put cornerback in the top five or six most important positions on a team, but that seems like a high price tag for a DB. Granted, that's what he publicly wants, not what he privately expects, but still. As has been said before, against a QB that has ample time to throw, a $20 million dollar corner isn't going to look spectacular.

     

    I agree with that, CB are great and a shut down corner is hard to fine but when a QB has time (hard against a pressure D) they can pick people apart

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=5197588

     

    "We're victims of the situation," said Edwards, one of the game's top left ends who would have commanded a lot of action on the unrestricted market. "I'm not happy about it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one."

     

    I guess my question is, didn't you know this would happen?

    So how are you a victim? you didn't want to redo the labor agreement because you felt it was unfair, now everyone who was given a tender is complaining about not getting their money they would have gotten if the agreement was still in place.

     

    This article just makes them sound like a bunch of grown cry babies, you cry because you aren't getting enough from league revenue sharing. Now you cry because you aren't getting paid a long term deal. NFL is a business first. 75% of the players never graduated, well welcome to business 101. First rule, make your money, how do you do this you ask, simple. If you can sign a guy to just 3 mill for one season instead of giving him a 6 year 50 million dollar contract then do it. Half the reason the GM's discuss contracts with these players during the season is to keep the player happy and show, hey we are trying.

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    By that logic, so are BOTH Guggenheim museums. The fact that you don't even SEE the arena from all four cardinal directions, before you actually get it to (no, not even from 33rd street - you see the Borders on the corner), makes me question that. An eyesore to me (coming from a big city perspective) is one that cannot be ignored and stands out like a sore thumb within the neighborhood it's located in. Given the variety of architecture (again, the Post Office, Macy's, the nasty dump called the Hotel Pennsylvania, several of the buildings that house fashion houses, etc) in that neighborhood, MSG doesn't fit that description for me. YMMV.

     

    I guess it's one of those agree to disagree thing. Like with Ray Jay, I don't see it as an eyesore, but others might.

     

    You don't see MSG as an eyesore because it doesn't stick out, but others do.

     

    It's a no win for everyone

    Official TV Show Discussion Thread

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    Yes! And as I recall, it was some TV luminary (Jack Welch maybe?) who said years ago that 'people will never PAY for TV so cable isn't a real competitor'.

     

    Honestly, I don't watch much broadcast television besides 'Lie to Me', 'Fringe', 'Bones', and CSI (only Las Vegas and New York. David Caruso gets 'change the channel' heat from me, kinda like The Miz). I remember the first 'V' and the new one's first few eps didn't grab me.

     

    I think the funniest shows on TV this season are all on cable. Property Virgins, My First Place, and (at times) House Hunters and House Hunters International on HGTV often make me fall out laughing with how completely clueless and unrealistic people are. I'm lovin' Goldberg on 'Garage Mahal' on DIY ("I hate to say 'I know a guy' but, I know a guy...."). His house (specifically his garage) is ridiculous (click the link). Let's see, NFL Total Access is something I watch daily.

     

    Not a big TV watcher anymore though.

     

    Love that, house, chuck, supernatural (kid coming out inside me), SOA, burn notice

    Official MLB Discussion Thread

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    Hanley is a douche for calling out the manager, especially the next day. Same day I can understand, but next day after you've had time to cool off?

     

    only problem for Gonzalez is this will turn into a classic manger vs star player

    and 90% of the time the player wins when the owner decides. I don't see Hanley has a douche for this for a couple reasons.

     

    1) he has never caused problems from what I can recall.

     

    2) He was hurt he and even made note of it. Gonzalez kept him in there and he got a play from someone who was running limp.

     

    Should he have been a little more professional about it, sure. If he would have would we be talking about this? Something tells me their is something else going on

    Official TV Show Discussion Thread

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    I like both V and Flashfoward. However, out of the two I would have liked Flashfoward to have been kept on. I mean come on where else can you see the bad ass Irish guy from Brotherhood speak in a horrible American accent?

     

    Also, I wish NBC would have kept the original Law & Order around for one more season to beat Gun Smoke's record.

     

    I thought it would have only tied it?

    Official NFL Discussion Thread

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    Uh, no. I don't like MSG at all. I'm a modernist. I think old venues need to keep up with the times or be replaced. I was actually in favor of the plan to tear down the Central Post Office across the street and expand Penn Station with a new MSG as the centerpiece. It would modernize the arena significantly while keeping it essentially in the same place it's in now.

     

    But judging an arena made in an era where luxury was a tertiary consideration on today's standards, is totally wrong as well. There are movie theaters that are more comfortable and luxurious than MSG. But it's like saying a Chevy Malibu is a better car than a Studebaker Hawk. Fuel economy and "power" weren't primary considerations for cars in the Studebaker's era but they are now. Likewise, when MSG was built, many of the things fans value today weren't primary considerations. How many arenas built in the 60s and 70s had luxury boxes or premium seating? MSG's last renovation encompassed the facade, to give it the same look, but updated. Renovating the outside is all well and good, but not when the INSIDE is still like a roach motel.

     

    Nowadays, arenas need to be destinations in and of themselves. It's one reason I love the new Yankee Stadium. In fact, since, what late 80s/early 90s when Camden Yards and Skydome opened, this has been the trend in new builds. I just take issue with 'MSG is an eyesore' because it's asinine. A building, surrounded by several TALLER buildings (Post Office, the New Yorker, the Hotel Pennsylvania, the Southgate Tower, MACY'S Herald Square, etc), is an eyesore?!

     

    http://www.thewallpapers.org/photo/9590/madison_square_building-003.jpg

     

    just looks like an eyesore to me, but that's my opinion

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    Wait. So the decision to fund a new stadium was attached to an issue regarding building new schools and improving public safety (i.e. buying new police cars, upgrading the jail, etc)? Okay, that's shady. If people say 'no', the schools and cops suffer. If they say 'yes', the local team gets a new stadium. Damned if you do....

     

     

     

    Ybor City reminds me of Chelsea (10 years ago, at least) in a lot of ways. It seems like the spot where many of the young professionals who have lost their freakin' minds (given the prices of condos there, due almost solely to the neighborhood) gravitate to. Mind you, I'm not saying RayJay is a bad thing. I'm one of those people who believes area residents need to STFU and put out when it comes to building new stadiums. You wanna keep the team? Then expect to build a new venue every 15-25 years and quityerbitchin.

     

     

     

    Take those numbers with a grain of salt. I can tell you unequivocally, they're exaggerated. City governments use a term 'total economic impact' with regards to big events (meetings, conventions, sporting events) and that tends to include numbers they couldn't possibly have access to.

     

     

     

    Baseball is going to be re-added to the Olympics at some point (perhaps 2020), I have no doubt of that.

     

     

     

    Those people are morons, sorry. MSG isn't anywhere near the same as RayJay. Isn't that kinda obvious? :) There's a difference between a new stadium with next to no history and an arena that has hosted many of the largest events in history, across all entertainment platforms. I could see that argument being made about Yankee Stadium (since many of its area's residents can't really afford to attend many games there and it's not 'The House That Ruth Built', being new and all) but MSG? Come on. I don't think even the stench of the modern day hapless Knicks could tarnish that arena's reputation.

    The Jets are in serious trouble though. Mangold isn't much of a concern (it doesn't take much to be the highest paid center in the league) but Brick is going to cost HUGE and Revis deserves Asamougha money. Harris is iffy. It's not too hard to replace an inside 'backer in Rex's scheme.

     

    I didn't mean the rep part, I meant people say it's an eyesore and it isn't getting any better.

     

    but that it's an eyesore, cost a lot, and people question the renovations seeing how it's the second time. No one is questioning the reputation of the building. I just know people who've been there and don't see it as the same building it use to be and believe MSG V should have been accepted instead of renovating the 50 year old building

     

    and on the Jets, someone once told me, with success comes trouble. Jets did well last year and players did well, now they want their money.

     

    I also read on ESPN about certain players who have been trouble makers in the Labor talks complaing now about being restricted or not being signed, found the restricted players extremely funny that they are complaining about not getting long term contracts.

    Official NFL Discussion Thread

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    He can want all he likes. No way he gets it. Raiders already regret giving Aso $15m a year, Revis ain't worth another $5m on top of that. Not to mention he'd need at least one more year playing at this level before I'd think about giving him Aso money.

     

    something I found interesting about the article, was how Ryan needs Revis for his defense to work. Now I am not saying Revis isn't a great CB (I refuse to put him as the best until he plays the same next year), also many seem to forget the Jets had the 8th best defense 5th in scoring, but Ryan's defense have always finished 6th or better, twice being 1st (Ravens in 06-07, Jets 09-10), once in 2nd (Ravens 08-09), once in third (Ravens 05-06), once in 6th (Ravens 07-09) and all of those were with a good CB in McAllister, but he was never on the same level that Revis played with last year. So I found that interesting.

     

    But I believe with out Revis he's D would still do well. If your D being a great D relies on one player it would scare me because of the fact a simple injury or contract dispute hurts you.

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