Daffanka Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 The funny thing about the streak is that Calaway doesn't get bothered at all with ending it and doesn't mind "jobing the streak" to someone. It's vince that dosen't want to end it. Personally i'd rather see Taker retiring undefeated, but as the wrestling world works the way it does (capitalizing on profitable, hot and over things, such as the streak) it would make perfect sense that a young, deserving worker making his way up the business could get to end it. I wouldn't mind seeing that. hell, i also wouldn't mind seeing shawn ending it (for obvious reasons) but that would be pointless. Shawn has nothing to gain with that, the WWE has nothing to gain with that...so as much as i would not mind seeing it (beeing a HBK fan) i'm also man enough to know it would be a waste of time. The only situation that in wich i see the WWE capitalising on shawn ending the streak is if it was both men's final match, so well built, turning to an epic where anything could happen and it wouldn't mind who got the victory...it would be all about an unforgetable performance. But as none of them is due to retire after WM (as far as i know of) they should just give the win to taker and end the feud. Michaels vs Taker 3 Wrestleanias on a row? I think that WWE would be pushing their luck if they tried to pull that one off. Shawn's also way too old. When Taker's losing the streak he'll lose it against some Brock Lesnar-esque super prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Maybe it'll be Daniel Bryan Have him and The Miz feud on and off right up until 'Mania 27. Miz gets a good push throughout this year and becomes a credible threat to the main-event scene. He says he wants to end 'Taker's streak, but, somebody has other ideas...Daniel Bryan. This re-ignites their epic feud and the winner gets to face 'Taker. I would LOVE that. Never gonna happen, of course, but, Danielson mark that I am, I would probably order Wrestlemania (something I haven't done since WM20 for Benoit's title win) to see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Shawn's also way too old. When Taker's losing the streak he'll lose it against some Brock Lesnar-esque super prospect. Only issue is they seem hesitant to push people that hard now, heh. Miz vs. Taker ftw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 The funny thing about the streak is that Calaway doesn't get bothered at all with ending it and doesn't mind "jobing the streak" to someone. It's vince that dosen't want to end it. Personally i'd rather see Taker retiring undefeated, but as the wrestling world works the way it does (capitalizing on profitable, hot and over things, such as the streak) it would make perfect sense that a young, deserving worker making his way up the business could get to end it. I wouldn't mind seeing that. hell, i also wouldn't mind seeing shawn ending it (for obvious reasons) but that would be pointless. Shawn has nothing to gain with that, the WWE has nothing to gain with that...so as much as i would not mind seeing it (beeing a HBK fan) i'm also man enough to know it would be a waste of time. The only situation that in wich i see the WWE capitalising on shawn ending the streak is if it was both men's final match, so well built, turning to an epic where anything could happen and it wouldn't mind who got the victory...it would be all about an unforgetable performance. But as none of them is due to retire after WM (as far as i know of) they should just give the win to taker and end the feud. Michaels vs Taker 3 Wrestleanias on a row? I think that WWE would be pushing their luck if they tried to pull that one off. I'll preface this by saying that I agree with the majority of this, and in my opinion, Taker should remain undefeated at Mania. But playing devil's advocate, I could see the appeal of Taker-Michaels III in a rubber match next year at WM27. On last monday's Raw, Taker did say that he thought HBK was the best wrestler ever in what sounded like a particularly genuine statement. In that sense, Taker may drop the streak in order to further the feud. From a business standpoint, if this year's match lives up to the mythic status that last year's has gained already, I can see that a third and final match between the two will have a ton of interest still. Also, when I think of great WM storylines, my mind goes back to the Mega Powers exploding at WM4. Hogan and Savage built that storyline over a year from the previous WM, and it led to an epic culmination. In the wrestling world, you rarely see such patience and careful nurturing of a conflict, and a feud based around a 3 year period combined with figures of such status as Taker and Michaels makes this a once-in-a-lifetime programme. As much as I don't think Taker should lose the streak, part of me would be interested to take this feud to WM27 for the final conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanada Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 The funny thing about the streak is that Calaway doesn't get bothered at all with ending it and doesn't mind "jobing the streak" to someone. It's vince that dosen't want to end it. Source? Last time I talked to Mark he seemed to love his streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Source? Last time I talked to Mark he seemed to love his streak. I imagine he knows enough about the business to know that ending the streak will be an enormous rub for anyone. The thing is no one in the main event needs it. HBK, HHH, Cena, all those guys are over enough without even a title, never mind ending the streak. I could potentially see The Miz ending it if he continues to improve as he has (and he could probably get some nuclear heat with ending the streak.) Sheamus too. I don't think anyone's going to pin Undertaker clean at WM though. Ever since Brock left WWE hasn't dared to book anyone as a proper monster heel (even Sheamus attacks from behind) and unless they find another Brock who they know is completely dedicated to wrestling I don't think they will. It's a shame because I love monster heels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 if The Miz ends Takers streak I will never watch WWE again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameSnoopy Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I think it'd be kind of neat if Taker wouldn't end his career after one WM loss, but so that he wants to "regain his glory" and loses another one in a row Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 if The Miz ends Takers streak I will never watch WWE again. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 The funny thing about the streak is that Calaway doesn't get bothered at all with ending it and doesn't mind "jobing the streak" to someone. It's vince that dosen't want to end it. Thats a couple of pretty big assumptions though, unless he's publicly said something to that effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I'll preface this by saying that I agree with the majority of this, and in my opinion, Taker should remain undefeated at Mania. But playing devil's advocate, I could see the appeal of Taker-Michaels III in a rubber match next year at WM27. On last monday's Raw, Taker did say that he thought HBK was the best wrestler ever in what sounded like a particularly genuine statement. In that sense, Taker may drop the streak in order to further the feud. From a business standpoint, if this year's match lives up to the mythic status that last year's has gained already, I can see that a third and final match between the two will have a ton of interest still. Also, when I think of great WM storylines, my mind goes back to the Mega Powers exploding at WM4. Hogan and Savage built that storyline over a year from the previous WM, and it led to an epic culmination. In the wrestling world, you rarely see such patience and careful nurturing of a conflict, and a feud based around a 3 year period combined with figures of such status as Taker and Michaels makes this a once-in-a-lifetime programme. As much as I don't think Taker should lose the streak, part of me would be interested to take this feud to WM27 for the final conclusion. As I've said above, I think Taker should remain undefeated at Mania until he calls it quits for good...but to play Devil's Advocate to your Devil's Advocate... Can the WWE rely on Taker and HBK being physically able to perform a quality match a year from now? I've read that both are winding their schedules down for health reasons; is either man in a possition to say "I can commit to a year long build and perform at the end of it"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 As I've said above, I think Taker should remain undefeated at Mania until he calls it quits for good...but to play Devil's Advocate to your Devil's Advocate... Can the WWE rely on Taker and HBK being physically able to perform a quality match a year from now? I've read that both are winding their schedules down for health reasons; is either man in a possition to say "I can commit to a year long build and perform at the end of it"? That's a fair point, particularly regarding HBK's knees and Taker's hips being well-documented troubles for them at this advanced stage of their careers. In response i'd say that no-one expected HBK to return from his supposed career-ending back injury and he's still wrestling 8 years later. Taker's tough-as-nails and could grit out a quality performance - after all, he did wrestle inside hell in a cell with mankind with a broken foot. To take another example from the same breed of competitor, if you asked me whether Kurt Angle would still be wrestling to the standard he is now 4 years ago when he left WWE, i would've said no. i was sure he was going to fall apart within a couple of years, but he's still going very strong to this day. Competitors of Kurt Angle, HBK and Taker's quality and ability will still be able to perform from time to time to world class standard (hopefully in a more limited capacity as their bodies further fall apart). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Source? Last time I talked to Mark he seemed to love his streak. Really? Lastime i've been face-to-face with him, he clearly told me he wanted it to end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 <p>I don't know about not being bothered with it, but I do recall/heard he offered Orton to end it and Orton respectfully declined.</p><p> </p><p> Either way, booking HBK/Taker three Manias in a row would just be bad form, I mean there is some sort of substance with this one as they've put something huge on the line and it's some sort of do or die scenario, but the third time.. career vs. career isn't that big a step up from this, especially if Shawn manages to come back. When WM27 rolls around, if Shawn and Taker are both still in the business and in perfect shape, there'll be dozens of potential match-ups that would be pitched from all sides for the event, from us and creative alike. Why would Shawn challenge Taker a third time anyway?</p><p> </p><p> I really hoped Cena vs. Taker would take place this year.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't know about not being bothered with it, but I do recall/heard he offered Orton to end it and Orton respectfully declined.<p> </p><p> Either way, booking HBK/Taker three Manias in a row would just be bad form, I mean there is some sort of substance with this one as they've put something huge on the line and it's some sort of do or die scenario, but the third time.. career vs. career isn't that big a step up, especially if Shawn manages to come back. Why would Shawn challenge Taker a third time anyway?</p><p> </p><p> I really hoped Cena vs. Taker would take place this year.</p></div></blockquote><p> Well, if they wrestled again at Mania next year, the logical way to go would be having Taker issue the challenge this time around, to try and avenge his one and only loss at Mania.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, if they wrestled again at Mania next year, the logical way to go would be having Taker issue the challenge this time around, to try and avenge his one and only loss at Mania.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> HBK isn't going to win. He really doesn't need the rub and a second loss to UT isn't going to hurt his reputation any. I'm sure he'll enjoy his few months off before they decide to bring him back.</p><p> </p><p> I stand by my prediction that a young guy's going to pin him dirty at a WM within a few years. If they pick up some Lesnar-esque super rookie he might pin him clean (probably not.)</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, if they wrestled again at Mania next year, the logical way to go would be having Taker issue the challenge this time around, to try and avenge his one and only loss at Mania.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's the thing. The third match-up would be inevitably based on run-of-the-mill feud repercussions. Because realistically, there's no way Shawn would challenge or even accept a rematch from Undertaker. He's done already what he wanted to do and what ate at him for months, so the only way HBK would be drawn in that match is if Taker does something which gives him a reason to, like costing him the belt or something of the sort. And THAT part right there would be bad form.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Daffanka" data-cite="Daffanka" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>HBK isn't going to win. He really doesn't need the rub and a second loss to UT isn't going to hurt his reputation any. I'm sure he'll enjoy his few months off before they decide to bring him back.<p> </p><p> I stand by my prediction that a young guy's going to pin him dirty at a WM within a few years. If they pick up some Lesnar-esque super rookie he might pin him clean (probably not.)</p></div></blockquote><p> I agree. I don't think HBK is going to win, nor do I think we'll see HBK/Taker 3 at Mania next year. I was just saying that the only way I could logically see them doing a third match would be for Michaels to win this one, leaving Taker wanting to make up for that one and only blemish.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagaholic Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 If HBK beats the Undertaker, WWE will just be throwing away a bottle of rocket fuel to propel someone into super stardom overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjohns44 Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 i hope the Rey bringing his family(particularly kids) to ringside is just part of the storyline with CM Punk and not something that gets brought up for the rest of his career. I doubt they'll let that drag on for a long time but gosh damn it I've got a created wrestler in TEW whose child accompanies him to give support and interfere in matches by grabbing at opponent legs or using a chair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jjohns44" data-cite="jjohns44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>i hope the Rey bringing his family(particularly kids) to ringside is just part of the storyline with CM Punk and not something that gets brought up for the rest of his career. I doubt they'll let that drag on for a long time but gosh damn it I've got a created wrestler in TEW whose child accompanies him to give support and interfere in matches by grabbing at opponent legs or using a chair.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So...VKM hacked your PC and ripped you off the idea! That bastard! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tag01 Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Yea I don't see them giving up the streak for HBK. If they're smart they'll save it for a young prospect. If they have an ideal monster heel type that would be gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linsolv Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 On one hand, I don't either now that I think about it. On the other hand, I <strong>want</strong> Shawn to win. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyman Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 <p>I don't see Undertaker ever losing at Wrestlemania. It's a Catch-22: the guys that have earned it don't need it, and the guys that it would help haven't earned it. It has to be somebody who's been around awhile and is well respected (particularly by Undertaker), and just needs one big win to make him a superstar. A guy like Edge when they fought a couple years ago...if he had actually been undefeated at Wrestlemania like he claimed (he had already lost a MITB match), that could've been an awesome passing of the torch.</p><p> </p><p> There's nobody in the WWE today that fits this. Maybe Sheamus will be there a year from now - especially if he beats Triple H this year, and really gets the crowd to care for him over the next year. The only other possibility...if he ever turned heel, I wouldn't mind seeing John Cena beat Undertaker.</p><p> </p><p> One other thing: if somebody beats Undertaker, it will be a CLEAN win. Even the WWE wouldn't taint something this big with a countout/DQ/interference victory, IMO.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Candyman" data-cite="Candyman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The only other possibility...if he ever turned heel, I wouldn't mind seeing John Cena beat Undertaker.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> BY God...NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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