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[TheEdgeOfReason]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Celt" data-cite="The Celt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>May the mega-heel era of John Cena begin!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He lost?</p>

[sabataged]

So...is Edge a face now? He is fighting heels again...I am confused.

[Astil]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sabataged" data-cite="sabataged" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So...is Edge a face now? He is fighting heels again...I am confused.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes. He turned on SmackDown.</p>

[michgcs]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes. He turned on SmackDown.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> but he's still a RAW guy, right?</p>

[The Celt]

Kane upsets the 411mania roundtable (although not your's truly) by retain against UT via Paul Bearer turning and giving Kane the almighty power of a lighted urn! I suspect this could go all the way to Wrestlemania now.

[Tha Black Phenom]

<p>Cena losing? Check. Miz tapping like a baby? Check. Kane winning via a nice swerve(albeit with a dead crowd) Check.</p><p> </p><p>

Rather satisfied.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Though I'm just bummed that the crowd was so dead for Kane/Taker. Some people have been waiting 10+ years for this match-up and they're just dumbstruck by [probably] Cena's loss. Granted, the Kane/Taker match was nothing to shout home about, but...</p>

[Johnny Fenoli]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sabataged" data-cite="sabataged" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So...is Edge a face now? He is fighting heels again...I am confused.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> yeah... it's all confusing......... great writing.</p>

[The Celt]

They were definitely some <strong>VINTAGE </strong>shocked and appalled women and children in the crowd grabbing their faces in disbelief that Cena lost.

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Cena losing? Check. Miz tapping like a baby? Check. Kane winning via a nice swerve(albeit with a dead crowd) Check.<p> </p><p> Rather satisfied.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Though I'm just bummed that the crowd was so dead for Kane/Taker. Some people have been waiting 10+ years for this match-up and they're just dumbstruck by [probably] Cena's loss. Granted, the Kane/Taker match was nothing to shout home about, but...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cena match should have been last, but who would have known? They could have done better with Taker vs. Kane though. </p><p> </p><p> I really didn't expect that much explosive energy during the Cena match (crowd and... well, outside of ring).</p>

[The Celt]

The finish to the Cena match was hella weird, with the faux fan run-ins. I guessing WWE is running a pseudo "The fans turned on Cena, not the other way around" type thing so Cena's character has motivation for heeling it up, despite it being clear Nexus (David Otunga specifically) that put those who interfered up to it.

[Slagaholic]

<p>When Paul Bearer brought out that lant-urn I put my head in my hands.</p><p> </p><p>

Christ PB is in terrible shape. Could hardly get in/out of the ring. His waddle reminded me of Abdullah The Butcher.</p><p> </p><p>

Only saw Taker/Kane but I thought it was a pretty good match all things considered. The ending was unsettling for all the wrong reasons however.</p>

[The Celt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When Paul Bearer brought out that lant-urn I put my head in my hands.<p> </p><p> Christ PB is in terrible shape. Could hardly get in/out of the ring. His waddle reminded me of Abdullah The Butcher.</p><p> </p><p> Only saw Taker/Kane but I thought it was a pretty good match all things considered. The ending was unsettling for all the wrong reasons however.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Who are you to doubt El Dandy...er; the power of internally lit urn!? Especially in the month of October, the darkest and most occult month of the year!?!</p>

[ampulator]

Cena lost? Hell, Orton punts him in the head, stands and is okay, but he loses to Barrett? This ia absolutely shocking.

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Celt" data-cite="The Celt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Who are you to doubt El Dandy...er; the power of internally lit urn!? Especially in the month of October, the darkest and most occult month of the year!?!</div></blockquote><p> I thought it was a flashlight?<img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Cena lost? Hell, Orton punts him in the head, stands and is okay, but he loses to Barrett? This ia absolutely shocking.</div></blockquote><p> Barrett's alot bigger then Orton, and he DID NOT win clean. You would have had the note "Cena lost, but has a good reason for losing".</p><p> </p><p> Are we going to just spill all the spoilers? Here, in white below:</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Two seperate fans seemed to come down, one went after Barrett, which the ref took care of, while another come and cold ****ed cena while the ref was doing whatever (didn't see it), Barret lays on him, 1, 2, 3.</span></p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> </span></p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> Then lots of crying and shocked faces..> One guy had his hands on his head as if the world had ended. Cena gets up, everyone claps for the entertainment he's given them, although he looks like he wants to cry.</span></p>

[crownsy]

<p>White Text</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Looked like husky harris to me.</span></p>

[Astil]

I thought it was Trips. I nearly exploded with glee.

[Johnny Fenoli]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I thought it was Trips. I nearly exploded with glee.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> wow... you know that NEVER crossed my mind... I can't believe I didnt even think that.</p>

[MrOnu]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Celt" data-cite="The Celt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Kane upsets the 411mania roundtable (although not your's truly) by retain against UT via Paul Bearer turning and giving Kane the almighty power of a lighted urn! I suspect this could go all the way to Wrestlemania now.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Please no. Just no. I'm with the Dallas crowd on this one : don't care about this feud. In fact, I actually turned off the feed after the diva bout. Yes, that does mean that I somewhat watched this one and not the main event. That's pretty sad, but I understand I'm in the minority on this one.</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MrOnu" data-cite="MrOnu" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Please no. Just no. I'm with the Dallas crowd on this one : don't care about this feud. In fact, I actually turned off the feed after the diva bout. Yes, that does mean that I somewhat watched this one and not the main event. That's pretty sad, but I understand I'm in the minority on this one.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Kane vs. Undertaker isn't really going that great in my opinion, either.</p><p> </p><p> It's not time for Kane to take over, and the PB thing didn't help it at all. Who knows, maybe it will grow, I don't know. </p><p> </p><p> The Cena thing is what they were into obviously. Nexus is more popular then anyone imagined I think.</p>

[Moe Hunter]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Now... To me he was never as popular as a heel. I can't remember a time when he was an actual single wrestler when he was heel.</div></blockquote><p> His run on Raw after Mercury got fired, where he was Johnny Nitro and feuding with Jeff Hardy over the IC Title, through his move to ECW and transformation into John Morrison, all the way up until he started teaming with Miz. He had a decent length of singles heelship. Definitely more popular when he was with The Miz though, it allowed him to properly develop a character.</p>

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Moe Hunter" data-cite="Moe Hunter" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>His run on Raw after Mercury got fired, where he was Johnny Nitro and feuding with Jeff Hardy over the IC Title, through his move to ECW and transformation into John Morrison, all the way up until he started teaming with Miz. He had a decent length of singles heelship. Definitely more popular when he was with The Miz though, it allowed him to properly develop a character.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> And they both were much better as heels. the dirtsheet is by far, jomo's best promo work.</p><p> </p><p> Good PVP last night overall, with several matches that i thought were excellent (the 3 way, orton-shemus, and barret-cena)</p><p> </p><p> the surprise of the night to me was how good the barrett cena match was. Proving to me that no matter what happens with nexus, Wade barrett has star written all over him. He looked right at home in that match and both guys put on a good show. </p><p> </p><p> I thought the 3 way was still match of the night, but i was very happy with the other two matches, both were excellent. shemus-orton is probley the best you can do in this toned down HIAC. still hated it for being a PG version of the match, but that was certinaly not the fault of randy or shemus. they worked extremely well with the limitations placed on them.</p>

[Astil]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And they both were much better as heels. the dirtsheet is by far, jomo's best promo work.<p> </p><p> Good PVP last night overall, with several matches that i thought were excellent (the 3 way, orton-shemus, and barret-cena)</p><p> </p><p> the surprise of the night to me was how good the barrett cena match was. Proving to me that no matter what happens with nexus, Wade barrett has star written all over him. He looked right at home in that match and both guys put on a good show. </p><p> </p><p> I thought the 3 way was still match of the night, but i was very happy with the other two matches, both were excellent. shemus-orton is probley the best you can do in this toned down HIAC. still hated it for being a PG version of the match, but that was certinaly not the fault of randy or shemus. they worked extremely well with the limitations placed on them.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To quote my fiance "and the cell added...?"</p>

[Self]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To quote my fiance "and the cell added...?"</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hopefully a couple thousand buys.</p><p> </p><p> ... but yeah, if you're gonna use the cell, USE IT. I remember last year's HIAC main event, with DX vs Legacy. That was fantastic in it's use of the cell. Locking out Hunter, beating on Shawn, Hunter gets bolt cutters. big comeback. Folks complained about the tag match being on last, but it was far and away the best use of the Cell on the show.</p><p> </p><p> Didn't watch this show, and glad I gave it a miss. Undertaker/Kane in 2010 is totally not my cup of tea.</p>

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hopefully a couple thousand buys.<p> </p><p> ... but yeah, if you're gonna use the cell, USE IT. I remember last year's HIAC main event, with DX vs Legacy. That was fantastic in it's use of the cell. Locking out Hunter, beating on Shawn, Hunter gets bolt cutters. big comeback. Folks complained about the tag match being on last, but it was far and away the best use of the Cell on the show.</p><p> </p><p> Didn't watch this show, and glad I gave it a miss. Undertaker/Kane in 2010 is totally not my cup of tea.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd say your right on taker-kane, though i like the fued for nostaligia purposes.</p><p> </p><p> But you really missed out on the triple threat, Barret-Cena, and Orton-Shemus. All three matches were among the best PPV matches of the year (for the WWE.)</p><p> </p><p> Triple threat match in particular was excellent. youtube em if ya can <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And they both were much better as heels. the dirtsheet is by far, jomo's best promo work.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't think the "dirt sheet" was really all that heelish... More tongue and cheek, and definately funny as hell most of the time. Had alot of that HHH sense of humor in them, and I mean face HHH telling the spirit squad, "I'm sure your full of spirit, you probably pump each other with spirit every night!"</p><p> </p><p> By far the funniest thing I've seen in years was that skit they did with "Festus" and the bell. The crowd was rolling as well. It was slapstick humor, and it was GOOD slapstick humor.</p><p> </p><p> However, I've never seen him Shine as much as he does now (JOMO). To me he could reach the Main Event as a face, In fact I think they realise that. AT least as well as Rey Mysterio can. People will cheer for him, for example... If it's him vs. Sheamus, or The All American, American, American... And would be a believable win for him...</p><p> </p><p> The Face's are just build too strong in the Main Event. Orton, Cena, Taker, etc. These guys are not believable wins for Morrison right now... but let one of them turn heel, and they are.</p>