The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[ampulator]

John Cena is the new Dusty Rhodes! He has the Dusty Finish on the WWE Draft AND the Dusty Finish on the match last week against the Miz!

And he's twice as annoying, with half the charm! (I didn't think it was even possible).

[angeldelayette]

And he's twice as annoying, with half the charm! (I didn't think it was even possible).

 

You think he has half the charm as the American Dream? Well, maybe, I'll reach and stretch and give you that. Mayyyyyyyybe half. But if I do, then you have to give me three times as annoying.

[Zeel1]

For a second there, I had no idea what theme was playing there. Been a while since I've heard Swagger's theme go that long.

 

"The submission maneuver that Swagger has made famous, the Ankle Lock!" I see what you did there...

[ampulator]

You think he has half the charm as the American Dream? Well, maybe, I'll reach and stretch and give you that. Mayyyyyyyybe half. But if I do, then you have to give me three times as annoying.

Darn it. you're right. Not even half of the charm. I concede.

[Eisen-verse]

<p>Thoughts on RAW last night...</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>The Truth:</strong> Let me preface this by saying, I never liked the Truth when he was running around with his 'wassup' thing. It was childish, boring, and made him look like a fool. That said, I'm LOVING what they're doing with him right now. If they continue to book him this way, give him the rub on some bigger names, and have him work consistently in the main-event lights, I could see him going pretty far. Champion far? Possibly not. That said, if they develop him right, he really could be a future main eventer for them. Is the greatest on the mic? Not really but the WWE have made careers out of others with even less ability on the mic.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Kharma:</strong> I LOVE her arrival as it makes me not so depressed about the WWE's current 'character' booking. They have done some shades of some characters in the past; however, Kharma has potential to be something unique. So far, it seems like things may be centered around Kelly Kelly? If so, I'm happy; she's pretty to look at. ha.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Main Event:</strong> Is it just me or was it weird to see the Miz and Del Rio fight as much as they did? I mean, the match was a great one in my mind; back-and-forth really added a lot. Truthfully, for a WWE main event, I was pretty happy. That said, as above, it felt like they were playing Del Rio slightly as a tweener in last night's main event. In theory, which is common practice, I thought the two would team up on Rey-REy until they got annoyed with one another and THEN warred. While it's cliche, it works when it comes to explaining why two heels are laying into one another!</p>

[Jaysin]

Truth is awesome and had some great lines last night. I love when it looked like Alex Riley and Miz legitimately busted up laughing at what he said about Del Rio

[LoNdOn]

How long has Little Guido been a WWE ref? I saw him holding King back when Swagger accepted his challenge on behalf of Cole.

[sheepy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They should have put it on Nattie, Beth, or Gail. <p> </p><p> Now we KNOW Kelly is going to get tossed around like a ragdoll. She's athletic, but that's about it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is WWE, they'll build Kharma up for months only to get knocked out in the first minute by Kelly before being sent off to development for 6 months before being released. </p><p> </p><p> Kelly meanwhile goes on to be the longest reigning women's champion of all time.</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Truth is awesome and had some great lines last night. I love when it looked like Alex Riley and Miz legitimately busted up laughing at what he said about Del Rio</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> "When an angry black man talks, y'all better SHUT UP!" Golden.</p>

[20LEgend]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoNdOn" data-cite="LoNdOn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How long has Little Guido been a WWE ref? I saw him holding King back when Swagger accepted his challenge on behalf of Cole.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Really surprised at that, according to wiki: Maritato appeared at a house show for WWE Raw, at Madison Square Garden on 12/26/10, in a referee capacity as a majority of referees could not make it to the arena due to blizzards and gale force winds. He later appeared as a referee on January 24, 2011 in a dark match between Percy Watson and William Regal. He also once again appeared in a referee capacity on the 2/04/2011 episode of Smackdown and 2/04/2011 episode of NXT and the May 9th edition of Raw to referee a divas tag team match and break up a confrontation with Jerry The King Lawler, Jack Swagger and Michael Cole.</p><p> </p><p> Never knew he was a ref. Need to find a clip to see what it looks like <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Edit: It looks weird? <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[1234]

How long has Little Guido been a WWE ref? I saw him holding King back when Swagger accepted his challenge on behalf of Cole.

 

Holy something.

 

Just looked through the photo's for the Divas match last night and they have several photos of him in plain sight, there obviously not trying to hide the fact (or think we won't notice ). Although honestly if I hadnt read this thread before looking at the photos I probably wouldnt have even realised it was him

 

I'm just wondering how long it will take for him to become involved in some angle, or have someone randomly point it out in a promo.

[nucleardonkey]

<p>Yea it scares me that this whole Kharma thing is being done to build Kharma into an unstoppable monster so that 2 - 4 months from now when Kelly beats her clean it looks more impressive then Kharma will start her real storyline as (Insert comedy baby face)'s girlfriend/bodyguard and is turned into a comedy act before disappearing.</p><p> </p><p>

Monsters in WWE always go one of two ways, either they dominate and become WWE champion and get a decent run before leaving (Brock, Batista) or they have a very minor run before being turned into a comedy baby face (Khali, Big Show, and even Kane to some extent). Which is why I hate the current WWE product, no one gets that bad ass push for long these days before being phased out to a comedy role which sucks when they have the perfect female bad ass in Kharma but before the years out she'll be fighting with Tamina over Santino.</p>

[lazorbeak]

Yea it scares me that this whole Kharma thing is being done to build Kharma into an unstoppable monster so that 2 - 4 months from now when Kelly beats her clean it looks more impressive then Kharma will start her real storyline as (Insert comedy baby face)'s girlfriend/bodyguard and is turned into a comedy act before disappearing.

 

Monsters in WWE always go one of two ways, either they dominate and become WWE champion and get a decent run before leaving (Brock, Batista) or they have a very minor run before being turned into a comedy baby face (Khali, Big Show, and even Kane to some extent). Which is why I hate the current WWE product, no one gets that bad ass push for long these days before being phased out to a comedy role which sucks when they have the perfect female bad ass in Kharma but before the years out she'll be fighting with Tamina over Santino.

 

While what you mentioned about WWE turning monsters into comedy babyfaces is somewhat true, you're noticing the effect and ignoring the cause: that WWE never has more than a couple of "monster heels" doing the monster heel shtick at once. If Khali is your monster heel, you can't have Kane working monster heel on the same show. When Kane debuted, he was the monster heel in the promotion. But then when Big Show shows up in '99, he becomes the top monster heel and Kane is turned face and paired with DX leftovers. And it goes on like that pretty consistently: Khali turns face around the time Koslov does the dominant Russian gimmick. Koslov now is a comedy babyface, so we get a vacuum for another Kane monster run. Now that's over and it looks like they're going to put Mason Ryan into the role. It doesn't work to have an entire show populated with monsterous heels beating up tiny babyfaces.

 

In Karma's case, there is no other monster heel. She's the biggest and the baddest woman on the roster, and while eventually she will probably be turned face by the crowd for being so awesome, there's nobody who they are going to bring in and say "oh we need you to stop doing a monster gimmick so we can give it to this other monster" the way they do with Kane on a bi-annual basis.

 

So I wouldn't get too worried about them quick-turning Karma. Their use of her character so far indicates they know what they're doing: honestly, it's not that hard to book her.

[liontamer]

I just wished they'd really unleash her and have her do more than 1 move when 'destroying' somebody. Just come out and beat the tar out of someone.

[HughBatey4]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="liontamer" data-cite="liontamer" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just wished they'd really unleash her and have her do more than 1 move when 'destroying' somebody. Just come out and beat the tar out of someone.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Less is more. The one move is a much more impressive visual than her beating the tar out of somebody. They will save that for her match after it has been built up. If she comes out and destroys somebody, goes through half her move set, then the casual fan (which is the majority) has no reason to pay to see her again. Doing one move leaves a mystique about her, that in THEORY, should cause people to have an interest in what she can do.</p>

[ZMAN]

Loose cannon Truth is an amazing character. Finally, out with the babyface rapper and in with the real Truth. I think he can only get better if they keep giving him mic time and storylines, and he could possibly become a big star. I just hope he doesn't get the old Christian treatment from a few years ago where he gets a solid push, performs good, but just ends up getting the shaft and leaving the company.

[Zeel1]

Loose cannon Truth is an amazing character. Finally, out with the babyface rapper and in with the real Truth. I think he can only get better if they keep giving him mic time and storylines, and he could possibly become a big star. I just hope he doesn't get the old Christian treatment from a few years ago where he gets a solid push, performs good, but just ends up getting the shaft and leaving the company.

 

What are you trying to say...?

[Zeel1]

Sin Cara/Bryan was pretty awesome, as expected, and I'm loving Chavo's involvement here too. Kind of liking Sin Cara's mannerisms as well for some reason, I guess Luchadors are just kind of over-the-top like that.

 

Kharma interrupting Cole's anti-diva rant...? This should be good...

[GruntMark]

<p>Cole tripping Layla was hilarious.</p><p> </p><p>

I dont get the real Cole hate. He's incredibly amusing as a dickish heel.</p>

[Zeel1]

<p>Yeah, I find him pretty entertaining too. I get the feeling he's really having fun doing it too, which I always like to see.</p><p> </p><p>

I'd generally like for them to keep him out of the ring, but y'know... <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[GruntMark]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zeel1" data-cite="Zeel1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> I'd generally like for them to keep him out of the ring, but y'know... <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'll give you that.</p><p> </p><p> Also, Kane needs a shirt...</p>

[Zeel1]

<p>Rhodes vs. DiBiase...? What is this, they're both heels...</p><p> </p><p>

I guess Ted's default face tonight. Maybe a face turn would be good for him, I dunno...</p>

[GruntMark]

<p>I stopped watching when Khali came out.</p><p> </p><p>

Take notes WWE.</p>

[GatorBait19]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zeel1" data-cite="Zeel1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Rhodes vs. DiBiase...? What is this, they're both heels...<p> </p><p> I guess Ted's default face tonight. Maybe a face turn would be good for him, I dunno...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I thought he turned face on NXT (which is dumb because if you don't watch it you'd never know)</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

They had a pretty good match too. I haven't seen DiBiase look that good and motivated even against Daniel Bryan. Maybe trying to prove something against his former partner who left him on the totem pole.