Jaysin Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I don't like that the Shield listened to Triple H. I feel like it goes against their gimmick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathers7 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So we see how the rest of the roster reacts later down the road, since they made them all look too scared to say or do anything last night... which is the only thing that really bothered me.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They addressed that somewhat last night, Ziggler and Big Show speaking out but then facing the consequences made no one saying anything make sense, the intimidation factor was in play. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't like that the Shield listened to Triple H. I feel like it goes against their gimmick.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with this though.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't like that the Shield listened to Triple H. I feel like it goes against their gimmick.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They already outed that they work for money but I can see them turning in the future when HHH tries to replace them or at least one of them.</p><p> </p><p> They obviously were falling down the pecking order and with a new heel stable being formed them being part of it was better for relevance than a feud with no link to top guys.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 <p>Indeed, Shield weren't gonna stay the way they were forever. They have to find things for them to do, and this was solid, they pulled double duty on Raw and may serve as potential henchmen for this corportation-like setting. This is nothing but good for them as they would've probably fell into irrelevance eventually anyway(I predict they'll all lose their titles at NOC).</p><p> </p><p> When you think about it, if they were completely going by their gimmick, they would've logically turned face by now. Or tweener-rogue. Because Trips has the whole locker-room on notice right now.</p><p> </p><p> Things feel good with HHH as heel again. RVD and Bryan chasing the World titles, should make for great TV.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I don't like that the Shield listened to Triple H. I feel like it goes against their gimmick. I'm sorry. You mean The "Shiled Guys" as HHH called them. Yeah, that was bad. Out of gimmick, indeed. But the segment was good. Still, the reasoning behind Triple H's actions....meh...expected a little more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akujy Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I'm sorry. You mean The "Shiled Guys" as HHH called them. Yeah, that was bad. Out of gimmick, indeed. But the segment was good. Still, the reasoning behind Triple H's actions....meh...expected a little more. Yup. I remember that one. I laughed a lot when you mentioned it in the chat, during the live broadcast. And I think it was a little demeaning to them. Aren't they some sort of anti rules/authority figures sort of stable, serving their own justice? It really looks anti gimmick. But nothing that will burry them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Undertaker vs. all of the Shield in a Hell in a Cell match. Book it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMegaFish Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I would have loved to see The Shield all pull a face/rogue turn in the Ziggy handicap match. How awesome would it have been to see them lay down for him or just hound around the ring, ready to pounce before dropping off the apron and leaving? It'd easily suit their gimmick as they could say they still believe in their goal to fight against injustice in the WWE. They could have then almost paired with Daniel Bryan (a guy who gave them fits not too long ago) against Triple H's squad (who would gain a couple more members.) It'd probably really help them from being so predictable in matches as Triple H, who recently said he doesn't like them running around out of control could do things to try and tame them, such as overwriting title match rules. Ooh well, I'm still excited to see where things are going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I like to think that the only thing The Shield cares more than money is The Shield. So right now Triple H is paying them to be the bodyguards for his group but he starts getting cockier and maybe he doesn't like Dean's smartass attittude. He tries to get the Roman and Reigns to take him out and as they are walking towards Dean they just turn around and together attack Triple H. The Shield likes money but they value The Shield over anything. Face Shield could be the anti-heroes in the feud. Triple H, Randy Orton, Ryback and whoever else joins them are the villains. Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, Big Show, and Henry are the heroes. The Shield are the anti-heroes. They can be the unknown factor who fight both groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Raw (Walking Wounded Edition) Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Opening segment</strong> - I wish the crowd would have stopped booing Cena just this once. He put on a good match while injured, did the job clean for Bryan and put him over on the mic. Steph's weak apology was funny. Bryan calling her trash was even funnier. This angle is great.</p><p> <strong>Sandow vs Rhodes</strong> - The crowd sounded bored until Cody's dangerous moonsault. Rhodes on a roll.</p><p> <strong>Ziggler vs Shield</strong> - Good way to have the Corporation throw their weight around and put Ziggler over. Reigns catching Ziggler mid-air with the spear was a thing of beauty!</p><p> <strong>Del Rio vs Sin Cara</strong> - Same old match-up again but without the funky lighting. Bloody botch! ADR did well to play along in character. Ricardo! I was expecting Rey to come out next not RVD.</p><p> <strong>Real Americans vs PTP</strong> - Young comes out -- automatic face turn and a win. About time anyway. Good match.</p><p> <strong>Show vs Shield</strong> - Fun match. Where was Henry?</p><p> <strong>Punk vs Axel</strong> - Beserker rage mode! Fat Guy! Swearing! Classic CM Logan.</p><p> <strong>Truth vs Wyatt</strong> - Squash match.</p><p> <strong>Usos vs 3MB</strong> - Keeping the Usos strong. Primo & Epico repackaged as Matadors incoming for Zeb to hate on. Tag division getting built up again.</p><p> <strong>Miz vs Barrett</strong> - Another done-to-death match-up. Barrett back to losing.</p><p> <strong>Corporate Coronation</strong> - Vintage McMahon Family -- kissing their own asses and putting business first. When Trips kept saying "buried" and "ego" I couldn't stop laughing <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Perfect follow-up to SummerSlam. Everything with Bryan, the McMahons and Punk was awesome. The Shield as Corporate Muscle gives them a renewed push. Sin Cara dislocating his finger and Miz beating Barrett was not so good.</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt88/milamber/988305_535505003185281_1115634931_n_zps08212fa6.jpg~original</span><span>http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt88/milamber/tumblr_mrspzy9Tzk1r9fn1ro1_500_zps5c7155d2.jpg~original</span><span>http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt88/milamber/image_zpsef44faa2.png~original</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 <p>So it turns out McIntyre was defending Del Rio before SummerSlam at a pub after some douchebag punched Del Rio:</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/0819/564999/more-details-on-the-weekend-incident-with-alberto-del-rio-and/" rel="external nofollow"><strong>http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/0819/564999/more-details-on-the-weekend-incident-with-alberto-del-rio-and/</strong></a></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 It wasn't really anti-The Shield's gimmick IMO. Their gimmick is of a faction who will do "bad" actions yet, justify it under the guise of "justice". Nothing they have ever done has actually been just, only that they "justified" their help of CM Punk. This is a different situation as the WWE don't really care for the justification but it could easily be slanted that The Shield are protecting the WWE and WWE Championship. I think this is a good position for them, since it can actually build somewhere with them - whether into meaningful feud or possibly build to a face turn by some or all the members. No point doing it straight away IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 <p>From someone who was at Raw:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>After the show was over for you guys... The SHIELD got in the ring and surrounded the hurt Daniel Bryan. SHIELD closing in... "WELLLLLLLL, IT'S THE BIG SHOWWWWWW" Big Show, Ziggler, and Mark Henry come out, stop at the ramp and run to the ring. The SHIELD try to fight but our boys are too much. Ziggler delivered a sweet Zig Zag to Ambrose, crowd went nuts. Bryan is up at this point and delivered that same flying knee to Rollins, sending Rollins flipping through the air. A very happy and thankful Bryan smiles at the roaring crowd and everything ends on a YES! chant.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I expect Big Ratings to take the tag titles off Shield at NOC. Not sure about Ambrose. Bryan will get the screwjob treatment. Potential Survivor Series teams are starting to take shape.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINisher Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 <p>I'm still replaying the end of SummerSlam, Bryan vs. Cena. To me that pinpoints the greatness of some moments in WWE: The fact that I'm going back to them. I did the same for CM Punk vs. Cena at MITB for a long time. The "Yes!" chants at the end are just so, so unreal.. And unreal moment it truly was. I was shocked to see Bryan get the win with that knee.</p><p> </p><p> It'll be interesting to see where this goes to. </p><p> </p><p> ps. Orton is boring as hell. Always has, always been, always will be.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="FINisher" data-cite="FINisher" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>ps. Orton is boring as hell. Always has, always been, always will be.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <span>http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt88/milamber/44epmn_zps981fbb25.jpg~original</span></p><p> </p><p> The good thing is HHH can do the talking for Orton. And while he's not the best performer he is consistent. He was getting decent pop before. It'll be interesting to see how much heat he can generate when the McMahons aren't by his side.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 <p>Orton was doing a fine job as the top heel for years before he turned in 2010, are we forgetting this?</p><p> </p><p> His stuff in the start of 2009 was wicked heel work</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Orton was doing a fine job as the top heel for years before he turned in 2010, are we forgetting this?<p> </p><p> His stuff in the start of 2009 was wicked heel work</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm in the exact opposite camp. I thought it was boring. It made me change the channel.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 <p>I've been really into Orton lately... but part of that was his babyface act. He'd got his comeback down to such a science it almost looked lazy. He'd rally the crowd in a slightly awkward way. It worked. Crowds dug it. Randy Orton indeed 'gets it'.</p><p> </p><p> As a heel? We'll see. Clothesline-Clothesline-Duck-Powerslam-HangingDDT doesn't really work as a heel.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Undertaker vs. all of the Shield in a Hell in a Cell match. Book it!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="20LEgend" data-cite="20LEgend" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It wasn't really anti-The Shield's gimmick IMO. Their gimmick is of a faction who will do "bad" actions yet, justify it under the guise of "justice". Nothing they have ever done has actually been just, only that they "justified" their help of CM Punk. This is a different situation as the WWE don't really care for the justification but it could easily be slanted that The Shield are protecting the WWE and WWE Championship. I think this is a good position for them, since it can actually build somewhere with them - whether into meaningful feud or possibly build to a face turn by some or all the members. No point doing it straight away IMO.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yea... they were kinda brought into the WWE doing Paul Heyman's bidding "behind the scenes". They've never been more than hired guns justifying evil deeds with a certain sense of delusional grandeur. I kinda think them being corporate muscle and "security" fits in just fine.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKOwnage Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 <p>I kinda like that the Shield are involved here...even though it surely means that they are gonna be getting beaten quite often by guys like Bryan who are trying to get at the Corporation. Can't imagine they're gonna develop into much more than lackeys at this point before the potential face turn. Titles will be gone soon.</p><p> </p><p> Oh well. At least it separates them from doing the same exact thing the Wyatts are doing right now.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Orton was doing a fine job as the top heel for years before he turned in 2010, are we forgetting this?<p> </p><p> His stuff in the start of 2009 was wicked heel work</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That 2009 Orton was evil as hell. He was a total psychopath and it worked for hi especially when he was bald.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 <p>If booked right, Randy Orton as a heel could be a great change... but not as the generic heel, he needs that undeterred aggressive, evil streak. 2009 Orton was probably the only time I've found him entertaining so going back to that persona (for me) wouldn't be bad.</p><p> </p><p> I'm just glad Cena's out for a few months so we can get something fresh in the main event for a change. Even without the belt it seemed like Cena appeared in more main events than the Champion. When he returns, maybe it'll be with a refreshed character and not the same fan ass kissing face he's been for the past... er... how many years?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 <p><a href="http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9588366/view/full/an-interview-wwe-superstar-corporate-officer-triple-h" rel="external nofollow"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Interview with Triple H</span></strong></a> - Well worth the read.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe-raw/2013/8/22/4648996/wwe-raw-segment-ratings-for-aug-19-summerslam-fallout-show" rel="external nofollow"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Ratings breakdown for Raw</span></strong></a></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9588366/view/full/an-interview-wwe-superstar-corporate-officer-triple-h" rel="external nofollow"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Interview with Triple H</span></strong></a> - Well worth the read.<p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe-raw/2013/8/22/4648996/wwe-raw-segment-ratings-for-aug-19-summerslam-fallout-show" rel="external nofollow"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Ratings breakdown for Raw</span></strong></a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, great interview, and I keep reading interviews like this that say basically the same stuff over and over. </p><p> </p><p> For those that look at the rating breakdown, it's silly to concentrate on what did bad with new characters involved, because the fact they are new characters. This break down kind of explains that, but I've seen these break downs get incredibly pessimistic (OMG, Punk vs Bryan lost 150,000 viewers!, Cena brought in 450,000... Guess we know what that means). At the end of the day it's about the figures, but they already know that someone like Cena or Taker or Rock, etc.. is going to bring viewers, if the viewer knows they will be in a match. People that have been there longer will also have higher numbers, just because people know who they are. I'm talking about the Wyat breakdown in this, although they said it as well, the WWE already knows that they are going to lose viewers for them. It's always an uphill climb... You have to look at the shows in an order, and many of them... Example: A character comes out for the first time, without anticipation (no promo's before), and loses 500,000 viewers out of 3 million (just as an example). Next time there is 3.5 million viewers and they lose the same amount (500k), but statistically, that is actually better. It would have been something like 625k lost for it to be equal (eyeball figure, made up, to show point) as bad, so it's really an improvement, because the percentage that tuned out was less then last time. Just like with Punk, depending on where he shows up in the time slot, and who was on before him, he will gain or lose viewers.... but you have to go by how many are actually staying tuned.</p><p> </p><p> It's just a gripe I have on these breakdowns. It's very depressing to see my favorites lose thousands of viewers, when in all reality if they showed "Hey, this hour they got a 2.9 with Cody Rhodes, last time it was a 2.5!" it would show much better how things are going.... or 2,750,000 watched the Cody segment, last time it was 2,225,000. Better comparison.... But these sights will show something like (I think last time I looked there was the Brock/Punk/Heyman segmant bringing in 300,000 viewers, and then Cena vs Ryback bringing in 850,000 viewers more, or something silly like that, making me go "what the heck?!!" But then you read farther and realize they jumped the 4.0 rating for both segments.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, great interview, and I keep reading interviews like this that say basically the same stuff over and over. <p> </p><p> For those that look at the rating breakdown, it's silly to concentrate on what did bad with new characters involved, because the fact they are new characters. This break down kind of explains that, but I've seen these break downs get incredibly pessimistic (OMG, Punk vs Bryan lost 150,000 viewers!, Cena brought in 450,000... Guess we know what that means). At the end of the day it's about the figures, but they already know that someone like Cena or Taker or Rock, etc.. is going to bring viewers, if the viewer knows they will be in a match. People that have been there longer will also have higher numbers, just because people know who they are. I'm talking about the Wyat breakdown in this, although they said it as well, the WWE already knows that they are going to lose viewers for them. It's always an uphill climb... You have to look at the shows in an order, and many of them... Example: A character comes out for the first time, without anticipation (no promo's before), and loses 500,000 viewers out of 3 million (just as an example). Next time there is 3.5 million viewers and they lose the same amount (500k), but statistically, that is actually better. It would have been something like 625k lost for it to be equal (eyeball figure, made up, to show point) as bad, so it's really an improvement, because the percentage that tuned out was less then last time. Just like with Punk, depending on where he shows up in the time slot, and who was on before him, he will gain or lose viewers.... but you have to go by how many are actually staying tuned.</p><p> </p><p> It's just a gripe I have on these breakdowns. It's very depressing to see my favorites lose thousands of viewers, when in all reality if they showed "Hey, this hour they got a 2.9 with Cody Rhodes, last time it was a 2.5!" it would show much better how things are going.... or 2,750,000 watched the Cody segment, last time it was 2,225,000. Better comparison.... But these sights will show something like (I think last time I looked there was the Brock/Punk/Heyman segmant bringing in 300,000 viewers, and then Cena vs Ryback bringing in 850,000 viewers more, or something silly like that, making me go "what the heck?!!" But then you read farther and realize they jumped the 4.0 rating for both segments.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed. In a vacuum it doesn't mean anything, <em>especially </em>because a lot of the time you're not getting the time specific information that WWE has access to. WWE isn't competing in a vacuum, they know there's people that are only watching the first 10 minutes and the over-run, because they've trained the audience to watch that way for the past 10+ years. They also get a bunch of people clicking over at the top of every new hour, so they try to have a major segment with each of them, with the biggest in the overrun. </p><p> </p><p> It's silly to say Wyatt isn't a "draw" because he dropped viewers in the segment after the hour 3 open. The week before, the hour 3 bump wasn't as high, and Fandango vs R-Truth lost even more viewers anyway. It's almost like WWE intentionally puts a "cool down" match after a major angle/segment, before they start the build to the main event!</p><p> </p><p> This week's show did better ratings than last week's, which makes sense because this was a better show. Also it's great to see ADR vs Sin Cara's non-match held steady when ADR vs Kingston in the same spot on the card lost viewers. That's the sort of meaningful data that tells you the TV audience would rather see Sin Cara over Kofi.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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