shawn michaels Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So has anyone's opinion on this Punk thing changed? Or do a lot of people still believe its a work? They didn't even mention his name. Also the fans started a small CM Punk chant to start but nothing to great and it died out fairly quickly. I'm still not sure what his deal was. He says that Triple H was not a big enough match for him at Wrestlemania....what did he WANT to do? He wasn't going to be in the main event even without Batista because this is Daniel Bryan's year. Dude has earned that shot through crowd reaction alone. So what exactly was Punk planning on doing as the number 3 babyface on RAW? I mean isn't this the same thing as Mankind refusing to wrestle Big Show at Wrestlemania XV because he was the number 3 face and deserved a "bigger match". It doesn't really make any sense. <strong>Cena's not pissed off about facing Bray Wyatt who is MUCH less of a star than Triple H.</strong> Anyway boring show the build up to Mania is going slooooooow I think I'm tuning out until the WWE Network launches even on fast forward these shows put me to sleep.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh sure. It's not like Cena has ever main evented WM, hogged the spotlight for a decade, burried the Nexus on his own initiative (acording to Y2J and Edge), participated in the disgusting Sandow burial (he tends to appear at several of these moments. Yet, I rarely hear a story that says "Cena did it, but adamantly. He did not want to do it."), and so on. He's on is way to beating Flair's recognized 16 world title record and he's pretty much done it all at this point, except for breaking the streak. Sure...he's not pissed about facing Wyatt. Then again, let's see how that match goes and we'll talk later.</p><p> </p><p> I might be a Cena hater, but the way you talk about Punk and even Danielson (washed up version? You mean: "I only like indy stuff so I'm gonna bash at the mainstream career of Bryan?). And I'm not even rambling just because I think you're wrong at everything you said. Most of your posts in this specific page are spot on. Raw is boring, i fell asleep watching it last night, the remarks you make about the storylines in your other post are also spot on. You are a smart guy, you know what you're talking about, I respect that. Just don't use Cena examples when I'm around, unless you plan to give Punk an unbiased treatment.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Big Show was actually built up extremely well the first few months when he jumped from WCW. Don't forget that Vince had big plans to push Show as a legitimate threat since he originally inked him to a 10 year deal worth over a million a year. The reason Show lost a lot of steam is because he had a ton of heat with guys backstage specifically The Undertaker who was always highly critical of Show during his career. <p> </p><p> Punk was definitely not going over Triple H at Wrestlemania, there was no way Triple H allows anyone to go over him on the way out. Why would Punk want to feud with a guy who's essentially just there to hurt him? Didn't Triple H already do that to him in 2011?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Punk took like 5 finishers in his match with Triple H before going down. He lost that match and then went on to have the longest reign in 25 years. How exactly did the Triple H feud hurt him? If anything Punk got a rub just for being on par with Triple H, the guy who destroyed The Undertaker just months before, throughout the entire match.</p><p> </p><p> If anything killed Punk's momentum it was ADR taking the title off of him for absolutely no reason at all.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitarzu Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm watching it right now, I don't know what you're talking about? I've counted a CM Punk chant for every segment except for the Santino/Emma vs Fandango/Summer Rae dance off. I don't even have my t.v on that loud.<p> </p><p> Possible U.S feed getting edited? I'm hearing another CM Punk during the Axel/Sheamus match right now.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> WWE adopted a six seconds late broadcast, that's why they are be able to beep the Seven Bad Words and similar.</p><p> </p><p> I don't say it was heavy edited, they just lowered the crowd microphones. They know the situation, especially after what happened during the NXT tapings. They already did it in the past, like bringing speakers inside the ring during entrances, or using canned heat even during RAW. The live feed I have is with and without commentary. You can hear sometimes the difference, especially in the RAW after Wrestlemania or special episodes with smart-smark crowds. They were lucky they were in Omaha this Monday.</p><p> </p><p> I'm waiting to see the LA, Chicago and Brooklyn episodes before WM, which I'm not gonna buy it this year.</p><p> </p><p> P.S. Just a proof of what I was saying before. No commentary. During the Del Rio - Batista confrontation, they opened the crowd microphone. You can clearely hear the people chanting "SI!" You'll also notice the difference also in the replay, even with Michael Cole speaking.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Punk took like 5 finishers in his match with Triple H before going down. He lost that match and then went on to have the longest reign in 25 years. How exactly did the Triple H feud hurt him? If anything Punk got a rub just for being on par with Triple H, the guy who destroyed The Undertaker just months before, throughout the entire match. If anything killed Punk's momentum it was ADR taking the title off of him for absolutely no reason at all. It wasn't the match with Trips that hurt him at that point. It was the transition from Punk vs. Evil Vince, to Punk vs. Trips. Punk's character came out weaker, and the pipe bombs died off soon after which hurt as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The Big Show was actually built up extremely well the first few months when he jumped from WCW. Don't forget that Vince had big plans to push Show as a legitimate threat since he originally inked him to a 10 year deal worth over a million a year. The reason Show lost a lot of steam is because he had a ton of heat with guys backstage specifically The Undertaker who was always highly critical of Show during his career. This is the opposite of true. The first year of Big Show in WWE was an absolute mess. He came in as a big scary enforcer, and immediately did nothing but job to main event faces, putting over Austin, then Mankind repeatedly. Then he was kicked out of the corporation and turned face. Then after two months of 50/50 booking against Kane (also a face), he officially turned heel by joining the Undertaker. Then, after a whopping couple months of that storyline, he turned face (again) in November, winning the WWE title in a fluke (he wasn't booked in the title match). Then, after a feud with the Big Bossman, and the company's recognition that he had no heat as a babyface against Triple H, he dropped the belt on TV and turned heel again. That's four turns in 10 months, without going over anybody in a program other than the Big Bossman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 This is the opposite of true. The first year of Big Show in WWE was an absolute mess. He came in as a big scary enforcer, and immediately did nothing but job to main event faces, putting over Austin, then Mankind repeatedly. Then he was kicked out of the corporation and turned face. Then after two months of 50/50 booking against Kane (also a face), he officially turned heel by joining the Undertaker. Then, after a whopping couple months of that storyline, he turned face (again) in November, winning the WWE title in a fluke (he wasn't booked in the title match). Then, after a feud with the Big Bossman, and the company's recognition that he had no heat as a babyface against Triple H, he dropped the belt on TV and turned heel again. That's four turns in 10 months, without going over anybody in a program other than the Big Bossman. It's almost as if Big Show was destined to be a victim of flip-flop turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It was 1999... Im pretty sure that year saw Chyna turn 3 times in one single night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I'm glad CM Punk is gone. Hope he stays gone for a while. Long enough to miss him, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dpoolez" data-cite="dpoolez" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Punk took like 5 finishers in his match with Triple H before going down. He lost that match and then went on to have the longest reign in 25 years. How exactly did the Triple H feud hurt him? If anything Punk got a rub just for being on par with Triple H, the guy who destroyed The Undertaker just months before, throughout the entire match.<p> </p><p> If anything killed Punk's momentum it was ADR taking the title off of him for absolutely no reason at all.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's unanimously agreed by Meltzer and the Observer that Punk should've won that match, there was no reason to have Triple H win only to have Punk take the title off of Del Rio a little over a month later. Punk's momentum took a hit because Nash screwed Punk for no reason what so ever, and what made it worse was Punk never got his revenge on the guy who had all the heat for the dirty deed. Also Triple H was a part timer, why is a part timer going over a guy who just pinned Cena twice over the last two months? Shouldn't this guy get that rocket strapped to his back after beating your top babyface who was pinned a total of maybe 3 times prior to this from 2005-2011? In the end, Cena was pinned twice in a row, that's got to hurt his momentum short term. CM Punk pinned Cena twice in a row only to lose to a part timer, and Triple H feuds with Kevin ****ing Nash. Good job Triple H, we all clamored for that great Triple H versus Kevin Nash feud in 2011. </p><p> </p><p> People BTW, CM Punk was only champion that long because WWE made a commitment to The Rock that they'd do a CM Punk vs The Rock feud where The Rock takes the title off of him. He held the title for over a year and main evented a grand total of 1 PPV(TLC 2011) before turning heel. And he only main evented that PPV because Cena wasn't on the card. His next main evented PPV came at NOC 2012 against John Cena. Nearly 1 year after winning the title.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 <p>Punk got pinned in the following matches following his return</p><p> </p><p> SummerSlam 2011 cash in via Del Rio</p><p> Night of Champions via HHH</p><p> HIAC triple threat via Del Rio</p><p> Vengeance via Miz</p><p> </p><p> Four straight PPV main event losses upon his return before he won the title and had his long reign... Here is the hottest star WWE has had in a decade and that is how he is booked upon his return. It is made even worse by the fact that he was calling himself the best and yet continues to get pinned in every PPV. Who the hell would support someone like that?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is the opposite of true. The first year of Big Show in WWE was an absolute mess. He came in as a big scary enforcer, and immediately did nothing but job to main event faces, putting over Austin, then Mankind repeatedly. Then he was kicked out of the corporation and turned face. Then after two months of 50/50 booking against Kane (also a face), he officially turned heel by joining the Undertaker. Then, after a whopping couple months of that storyline, he turned face (again) in November, winning the WWE title in a fluke (he wasn't booked in the title match). Then, after a feud with the Big Bossman, and the company's recognition that he had no heat as a babyface against Triple H, he dropped the belt on TV and turned heel again. That's four turns in 10 months, without going over anybody in a program other than the Big Bossman.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Completely incorrect, Both Wade Keller and Metzler talked about how Vince inked the Big Show because he originally wanted him to be the next modern day Andre The Giant. Big Show's first two months were spent destroying Mic Foley, numerous times I must add, and his sole loss came to Steve Austin when Mic Foley the special guest referee refused to ring the bell as Austin started hitting Paul Wight with a steel chair. Watch the match, they put over how much of a monster he was numerous times. It took like 12 chair shots and a Stunner to pin him and immediately after getting pinned he got up and no sold everything to go after Mankind. How do you put over a monster any more then that? </p><p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/tZLEMUatJTc?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Stone Cold Vs Big Show (Mankind Special Guest Ref)"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p> Even during Wrestlemania he was put over, he destroyed Mic Foley by chokeslamming him onto 2 unfolded steel chairs and turned babyface by attacking the evil Vince McMahon right after. His push stopped because everyone except The Rock treated The Big Show like shit backstage specifically the locker room leader, The Undertaker who has done his fair share of burying outside talent coming in, in the past.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQWiNIc7CoI" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQWiNIc7CoI</a></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMAN Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also the fans started a small CM Punk chant to start but nothing to great and it died out fairly quickly.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They were in Omaha. I can't imagine there being that big of a smark fan base in Omaha. Next week will be a better test since they'll be at the Staples Center, and of course when they head east. </p><p> </p><p> I think the problem with Punk losing to HHH was that there was no follow up. Back when Austin got his ass kicked from Bret, he continued to be strong because they booked him strong. With Punk they just threw him against Jericho and midcard Bryan. Anyone can beat Jericho and midcard Bryan.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 The reason Big Show was hated in the locker room was because he had an ego the size of Texas and he freely admits it. He thought he was big shit because he was WCW Champion and that he didn't have to earn anything in WWF even though he was still greener than grass compared to the rest of the roster. He went into great detail about it on his documentary. Undertaker took him under his wing and helped him mature. That's why he was sent to OVW back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The reason Big Show was hated in the locker room was because he had an ego the size of Texas and he freely admits it. He thought he was big shit because he was WCW Champion and that he didn't have to earn anything in WWF even though he was still greener than grass compared to the rest of the roster. He went into great detail about it on his documentary. Undertaker took him under his wing and helped him mature. That's why he was sent to OVW back in the day.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes, he helped him mature years later, however Taker also didn't hide his distain for The Big Show in the few shoot interviews he did back in the day. Taker was usually involved in the numerous burials of Big Show one of which included Taker throwing Big Show off a stage so he could be sent to developmental to "lose weight". In the meantime Big Show who was obviously suppose to be the guy who ran over Steve Austin, was written out of possibly the biggest money drawing angle of his career and floundered a a midcarder until late 2002.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'm no HHH fan but I enjoyed the Thy Kingdom Come dvd. Watched on Netflix streaming. Pretty cool story they weaved together. A few moments where they obviously put him way over but that's every single biographical wrestling DVD ever made. Pretty cool stuff overall. Obviously, I liked the Foley DVD a little more... because I'm a huge Foley mark but yea... second best WWE DVD last year :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's unanimously agreed by Meltzer and the Observer that Punk should've won that match, there was no reason to have Triple H win only to have Punk take the title off of Del Rio a little over a month later. Punk's momentum took a hit because Nash screwed Punk for no reason what so ever, and what made it worse was Punk never got his revenge on the guy who had all the heat for the dirty deed. Also Triple H was a part timer, why is a part timer going over a guy who just pinned Cena twice over the last two months? Shouldn't this guy get that rocket strapped to his back after beating your top babyface who was pinned a total of maybe 3 times prior to this from 2005-2011? In the end, Cena was pinned twice in a row, that's got to hurt his momentum short term. CM Punk pinned Cena twice in a row only to lose to a part timer, and Triple H feuds with Kevin ****ing Nash. Good job Triple H, we all clamored for that great Triple H versus Kevin Nash feud in 2011. <p> </p><p> People BTW, CM Punk was only champion that long because WWE made a commitment to The Rock that they'd do a CM Punk vs The Rock feud where The Rock takes the title off of him. He held the title for over a year and main evented a grand total of 1 PPV(TLC 2011) before turning heel. And he only main evented that PPV because Cena wasn't on the card. His next main evented PPV came at NOC 2012 against John Cena. Nearly 1 year after winning the title.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As far as the result goes, it shouldn't matter. Punk didnt lose overness or popularity by taking the loss. He lost to a guy that destroyed The Undertaker at WM and left him to get carried out of the arena, something never done in WM history. He lost to a 13 time world champion whos defeated the GOATs. The casual fan doesnt care about who is a part timer or who is a full timer, or whether a part timer goes over a full timer. That's mainly a smark mindset.</p><p> </p><p> Now the transition from Punk/Vince to Punk/Trips was messy, but that was because Nash wasnt cleared to work his match with Punk, so they had to hotshot Punk/Trips to make up for that. They didnt just say "Hey lets do HHH/Nash for teh lulz" lol, they had to pretty much book on the fly when Nash found out he couldnt work.</p><p> </p><p> Punk taking that loss didnt hurt his momentum IMO, especially considering he looked about as strong as you can make somebody look taking it.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'm no HHH fan but I enjoyed the Thy Kingdom Come dvd. Watched on Netflix streaming. Pretty cool story they weaved together. A few moments where they obviously put him way over but that's every single biographical wrestling DVD ever made. Pretty cool stuff overall. Obviously, I liked the Foley DVD a little more... because I'm a huge Foley mark but yea... second best WWE DVD last year :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Completely incorrect, Both Wade Keller and Metzler talked about how Vince inked the Big Show because he originally wanted him to be the next modern day Andre The Giant. Big Show's first two months were spent destroying Mic Foley, numerous times I must add, and his sole loss came to Steve Austin when Mic Foley the special guest referee refused to ring the bell as Austin started hitting Paul Wight with a steel chair. Watch the match, they put over how much of a monster he was numerous times. It took like 12 chair shots and a Stunner to pin him and immediately after getting pinned he got up and no sold everything to go after Mankind. <strong>How do you put over a monster any more then that</strong>? </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I remember what happened, Vince talked about how horribly Giant was booked in WCW, then booked him 100% <em>worse</em>, and managed to take a can't miss former champion and not make any money with him. You put over a giant by having him <strong>win wrestling matches</strong>. Preferably in dominant fashion. You don't "put over" what a monster a guy is by having the announcers talk him up as he repeatedly fails to win a single match! </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Even during Wrestlemania he was put over, he destroyed Mic Foley by chokeslamming him onto 2 unfolded steel chairs and turned babyface by attacking the evil Vince McMahon right after. His push stopped because everyone except The Rock treated The Big Show like shit backstage specifically the locker room leader, The Undertaker who has done his fair share of burying outside talent coming in, in the past.<p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQWiNIc7CoI" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQWiNIc7CoI</a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, again, I know. And in the 2 months prior to his Backlash loss to Mankind in the re-match, he had pinfall victories over Tiger Ali Singh and Christian. <em>That is not good booking</em>. That's why I said saying what a great job WWE did of booking him was the opposite of true, his green-ness, backstage attitude, and everything else excluded. He was the biggest athlete in the promotion and they introduced him with months of losing, and followed that up with 50/50 booking against Kane. No part of that was "good."</p><p> </p><p> For comparison, WCW put him in the title picture, but he won the title twice inside of six months (granted, once was a screwy finish with Hogan, but nobody beat Hogan clean back then). When he wins the title the second time, cagematch pretty much gives the textbook definition of how to book a monster. He beats Arn Anderson clean in 3:38, then John Tenta in 4:01, then Ice Train in 0:27, then Scott Norton in 1:42. These are all on Nitro, and with the exception of Ice Train are guys that WCW fans see as big, tough dudes, and Giant is able to physically manhandle them because he's 7 feet tall. In between those matches he's winning handicap matches against 2 and 3 guys, because WCW has a million jobbers just to make him look good. Compare that to WWF in 1999, who were giving him non-decisions against Mideon.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> I understand why he wouldn't want to but I always though "I didn't want to lose in Canada to him" was silly. Canada is an entire country thats like Austin saying he doesn't want to lose in the United States. Just my opinion.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TakerNGN74" data-cite="TakerNGN74" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> Bragging aside I agree with this post, in an interview Jim Cornette did with Kayfabe Commentaries for the Timeline The History of WWE 1997 DVD release. Cornette claims that Bret said that he wouldn't lose the belt in Canada. Which is the dumbest thing you could ever say that's like Steve Austin losing the belt and right before it happens Austin saying he wasn't going to lose the belt in the United States.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Bit late but I don't agree with this particular point. It's not the same as an US superstar not wanting to lose the title in the US, because WWE's schedule is inherently based in the US. It's not like they tour in Canada every month, it's a every four-to-six month occurrence on average where they'll have Canadian dates. That very point is what allowed Bret to run with the whole "Canadian hero" thing.</p><p> </p><p> Now, that doesn't mean I don't think Bret wasn't in the wrong, but to be said, the story goes much deeper than "it's was his last day, he is an employee, he should do as told" it has to be factored in that Bret and Vince were really tight prior that, and the jump to WCW was made almost amicably(if it weren't for the screwjob). Bret had creative control rights, and he just wanted to exerce it at that particular time when it was most inconvenient(on his end) for the title change to occur. They were both in the wrong, Bret moreso but it wasn't handled any better. Just something originally small that turned really ugly.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They weren't really chanting CM Punk "all night' they were quiet most of the night and the Punk chants were BARELY audible. Nothing like the Royal Rumble not even close.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The situation's nowhere close to the same though, I don't think we were dealing with as much a smarky crowd as the Rumble's crowd was, the stage was much bigger(PPV, false-led anticipation, etc) and there is the group of people who still think Punk will be back soon.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 WWE is including Over the Edge 99 on WWE Network Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <p><a href="http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/wwe/wwe-news/full-list-of-ppvs-set-for-wwe-network-launch/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/wwe/wwe-news/full-list-of-ppvs-set-for-wwe-network-launch/</a></p><p> </p><p> Take my money already jesus!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMegaFish Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <p>Sooo I know I'm kinda late to the party but I was at RAW last night. Pretty decent show from in the seats.</p><p> </p><p> What was with Bad News Barrett and Lawlers interaction though? I just found it beyond awkward...almost Emma awkward. I really was wondering if it was something that they actually televised because of how short and out of place it seemed.</p><p> </p><p> Also, a lot of the crowd was bummed out by the Wyatt vs Truth, Woods, Ziggler match, should have definitely gone on a bit longer.</p><p> </p><p> Crew was doing a good job nabbing Punk signs. My favorite sign was in the main event though, a fan had a Vanilla Midget sign and was holding it up during a lot of the main event. Beautiful.</p><p> </p><p> Batista had an amazingly terrible pre-taped promo before his segment trying to warm up the Omaha crowd to him. Nobody really bought it. </p><p> </p><p> When Santino asked who won the dance off, I tried to start a CM Punk chant, but if failed...I would have died of laughter if it would have kicked in there. I've been sick and my voice was kind of falling out a bunch throughout the night every time I to do much.</p><p> </p><p> Cody Rhodes face before his moonsault was priceless. A smirk that said "well, this is gonna hurt."</p><p> </p><p> The crowd was a bit bizarre. The side that you could see on camera was much more vocal than the other half of the arena where I was. I assume it was because I bought my tickets so late (at 3PM yesterday when the show started at 7) and I was still in the 5th row of the lower bowl. There were a lot of kids on the side where the cameras were which probably played a huge part in why the chants never got too out of control.</p><p> </p><p> And finally, with the Cena run in after the show, man, if you've ever doubted that this guy is the WWE's meal ticket, go to a live event where he is. The roof really blew off the place when his music hit and people ate it all up.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <p>Yea Cena kills live, man. Just something about him, even his haters get turned around a lot of times. I'm in Philly, one of the smark-heavy crowds and he gets booed when he comes out, gets cheered when he leaves. Every time. I know it's not that way everywhere but it's that way here.</p><p> </p><p> Yes... unfortunately... the Lawler/Barret segment was aired. I'm hoping it leads to a brutal attack on Lawler in the coming weeks though which would be awesome.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <p>Every ECW tv show from 93 to 2000 is included in the network.</p><p> </p><p> So I'm assuming we'll get every RAW, every smackdown, I would assume every Nitro, every ppv from the big three, every ECW TV show. </p><p> </p><p> The only thing missing is I'm not sure they'll do every Thunder and I hope and pray to god that they do every Velocity and Heat. Velocity was the best pro wrestling show in 2003.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMegaFish Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yea Cena kills live, man. Just something about him, even his haters get turned around a lot of times. I'm in Philly, one of the smark-heavy crowds and he gets booed when he comes out, gets cheered when he leaves. Every time. I know it's not that way everywhere but it's that way here.<p> </p><p> Yes... unfortunately... the Lawler/Barret segment was aired. I'm hoping it leads to a brutal attack on Lawler in the coming weeks though which would be awesome.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm by no means a Cena hater and I'll be honest, I don't really complain when he comes on. Sometimes I care more, sometimes I don't really care what he is doing, but I don't just have outright disdain for the guy, so I was happy to see him. Maybe most of the time people don't like him a ton but at least respect what he does?</p><p> </p><p> And yeah, when I got home I actually watched RAW since I always record it just so I could skip to see if BNB was actually shown, and it was just as bad on TV as it was live. Also, I did watch Aksana's attempt to kill Naomi's face. I knew that was a legit bad shot right when it happened. Credit to Naomi for still trying to smile and show some grit to finish on a positive note for the crowd, but you could see she wanted to get out of there.</p><p> </p><p> Edit- I attached a picture I took from where my seats were. Pretty decent for buying 4 hours before show time.</p><p><a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" href="<fileStore.core_Attachment>/monthly_2014_02/RAW.jpg.dea9cb113559c802a51541855abae13a.jpg" data-fileid="2711" data-fileext="jpg" rel=""><img data-fileid="2711" class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" alt="RAW.thumb.jpg.029de1eb3b5948d3fe70b88777d7c3bb.jpg" data-src="<fileStore.core_Attachment>/monthly_2022_08/RAW.thumb.jpg.029de1eb3b5948d3fe70b88777d7c3bb.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.