The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Basmat01" data-cite="Basmat01" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I dont have an issue with taker losing I have a issue losing to a guy that isnt even full-time. I mean he'll show up at raw tomorrow night and then we wont see him for 2-3 months.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I hate that Taker lost, I wanted someone else, but this reason here that keeps getting brought up as to why it shouldn't have been Brock... I can't help thinking how better to end the streak of a part time wrestler, then by having another part time Wrestler end it. I can't help it, mad as I was that Taker lost.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mjdgoldeneye" data-cite="mjdgoldeneye" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> <div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/zjHtxPew5Os?start=45&feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="WWE's Undertaker, Brock Lesnar Exchange Words Following UFC 121"></iframe></div></div></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's from 4 years ago. That's a long time to plan something.</p>

[bigtplaystew]

<p>I thought it was singlehandedly the most poorly built yet the most well executed Wrestlemania in some time. </p><p> </p><p>

Lesnar beating Taker... i know it's not what we all wanted but it's not just bad shock booking and it's certainly not Russo booking. Russo would have had Yoshi Tatsu beat the Undertaker years ago. That would have been his definition of an "unpredictable 'Mania match" for Undertaker.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Lesnar winning is, in my opinion, a smart booking move. Especially compared to some of the other things they did with him. Having him get punked out by The Big Show on numerous occasions during that build, for example, was very stupid booking when you have an anomaly like Brock Lesnar. Him jobbing to Cena, who would then lose to John Laurenitis is bad booking with Brock Lesnar. This... this was unpredictable and got a legitimate shocked emotion from the audience. Not a cheap one. A legit one. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

I think now with the run he's been on and especially now that he's beaten the streak, he's a much more realistic threat to everyone, especially Daniel Bryan or whoever else may hold the belt. A face title run is one of the most difficult things to keep interesting in professional wrestling's modern era. You can always keep a heel interesting, but a babyface is tough. Now DB's conquered both Triple H and Randy Orton. sure, in the near future those two feuds will still play out but assuming he gets through them, he'll need a long line of big scary monsters to overcome. Who better than the man who destroyed the streak?? Come on, man. Who doesn't want to see Lesnar/Bryan at a big PPV now? I know I do. And Lesnar being a part timer means he's always out there, looming, waiting for his opportunity to take his crown back. That, to me, is badass storytelling not cheap storytelling. </p><p> </p><p>

All this assuming, of course, that it's not part of a long term story arc that is just in the early stages. That could be the case too. We'll just have to see how it plays out.</p>

[delv213]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mjdgoldeneye" data-cite="mjdgoldeneye" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> <div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/zjHtxPew5Os?start=45&feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="WWE's Undertaker, Brock Lesnar Exchange Words Following UFC 121"></iframe></div></div></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, apparently WWE wanted Lesnar to fight Undertaker at Wrestlemania 27 but Brock was under contract to the UFC at the time and Dana White forbid Lesnar from working the match because of contractual obligations. This was all talked about a long time ago, apparently Vince had a meeting with Dana White in person a little while after this "confrontation" and tried to convince Dana to allow the match to happen in some sort of a co-promotion angle, it didn't happen and then he tried to get Dana White to wrestle himself at Wrestlemania lol. Dana White talked about that during one of his many interviews.</p>

[sebsplex]

<p>Without getting into the rights and wrongs of the streak ending and who should've ended it, I think people are somewhat overlooking Paul Heyman's role in this and going forward when they say the win was wasted on Lesnar.</p><p> </p><p>

Heyman has now brought two challengers to WM to face down Taker. CM Punk ran him to the wire (as with other recent streak opponents), but now Lesnar has accomplished the seemingly impossible, in kayfabe terms, Heyman's managerial stock should be going through the roof. He's already tweeted about a new 'Paul Heyman Guy' being the the works and as a by-product of Lesnar's win, that should give automatic momentum and some legitimacy to whoever Heyman chooses to get behind next, be it just one new guy or a number of new guys. Basically regardless of what happens with Brock, anything Heyman touches should be hyped to the moon.</p><p> </p><p>

What I will say about the outcome of this match and WM as a whole is that having gone through what has been pretty lacklustre build-up in general, to a card that benefitted from a re-write after CM Punk walked out and the fan reaction to Bryan and rejection of Batista's face return, the WWE is actually looking rather intriguing going forward from a show that was far better and more memorable than it seemed it had any right to be a couple of months ago.</p>

[FINisher]

<p>At the moment of the three count I heard Taker's voice in my mind saying "You wanna do it?"</p><p> </p><p>

The greatest Wrestlemania moment. Ever. It needed to happen.</p><p> </p><p>

21-1. It just had to happen. I will never ever forget that moment when I saw it.</p><p> </p><p>

And this is coming from a 100% Undertaker fan. He was the first guy along with Kane that got me hooked into this in 1997. It was amazing.</p><p> </p><p>

Wow.</p>

[UkWrestleFan]

<p>Really enjoyed the show and it'll go down as one of the most memorable Wrestlemania's ever.</p><p> </p><p>

I was pumped for Austin turning up during Hogan's promo. I'd heard he was confirmed to be at the show but didn't expect it that early. What I really wanted was for Austin to have some beers tossed in and for him to then give Hogan a Stunner. I didn't really care for The Rock being there; it didn't seem like that much of a big deal considering he's been at the event for the last 3 years. Still, it was a very entertaining segment and a great way to start the show.</p><p> </p><p>

Bryan v Triple H really delivered. I loved the pacing of it, the way it built slowly with Triple H focusing his attacks. Stephanie did some good stuff at ringside and really got under my skin. I was happy to see Bryan get the win and progress to the Main Event. The post-match stuff was also good and served it's purpose even if it did make Triple H look like a little bitch.</p><p> </p><p>

The Shield v The OAP's was a total squash but made The Shield look good. Strong showing from Reigns again with his devastating spear (and double-spear!) The ending with the double-powerbomb was also pretty cool.</p><p> </p><p>

The Battle Royal started slowly and was too much of a clusterfest to begin with but once the numbers starting going down it more entertaining. As expected, Kofi did another cool spot but it was Cesaro who came out looking great, picking Show up with ease and powerslamming him over the top rope. Full face turn tonight, I'd expect.</p><p> </p><p>

Cena v Wyatt had some great storytelling. I really wanted Cena to just lose it and he came close several times. Really wanted Wyatt to go over here but it was not to be. The ending to the match also felt a little unnatural to me.</p><p> </p><p>

Taker vs Lesnar was not at the same level of Taker's last 5 matches at Mania but it was still decent; a slow-paced, old-school slobberknocker. It seems like Taker has declined a lot since last year so who knows what sort of shape he'd have been in next year. I didn't like Lesnar ending The Streak to begin with but I've had some time to digest it and am totally fine with it now. It makes sense for a lot of reasons.</p><p> </p><p>

The Divas stuff actually surprised me. Didn't enjoy the first half of the match but it finished strong and I left it feeling satisfied which I hadn't anticipated.</p><p> </p><p>

MoTN for me was the Main Event. Orton did a really great job keeping things ticking over while Batista was gassing out. Bryan proved himself as the ultimate underdog and it was really fantastic to see him finally get his moment despite taking a hell of a lot of punishment throughout the night. I particularly enjoyed seeing him slug Triple H with the sledgehammer. The Batista Bomb into an RKO (neckbreaker) through the table was cool as hell. Really enjoyed seeing Orton & Batista work together.</p>

[CQI13]

The crowd reaction was priceless when Undertaker lost. On another point, how come Bryan wasn't selling the shoulder during the celebration?

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>Because it's wrestling and adrenaline gives you enough power to lift your arm in the air</p><p> </p><p>

It isn't like he was running laps after having his leg destroyed</p>

[UkWrestleFan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CQI13" data-cite="CQI13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The crowd reaction was priceless when Undertaker lost. On another point, <strong>how come Bryan wasn't selling the shoulder during the celebration</strong>?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Noticed it, too <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> It also led to my wondering why they haven't made a new belt; why is it still 2 titles?</p>

[Self]

<p>People said I was a fool to put money on John Cena winning, but I showed them. Hustle. Loyalty. Money in my pocket.</p><p> </p><p>

It was an alright show. Battle Royal and Diva-fest were unexpected treats. Few too many loooooong singles matches for my liking. None of them were bad, but I like variety.</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>People said I was a fool to put money on John Cena winning, but I showed them. Hustle. Loyalty. Money in my pocket.<p> </p><p> It was an alright show. Battle Royal and Diva-fest were unexpected treats. Few too many loooooong singles matches for my liking. None of them were bad, but I like variety.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I really wish I had put money on Lesnar. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[sebsplex]

It was an alright show. Battle Royal and Diva-fest were unexpected treats. Few too many loooooong singles matches for my liking. None of them were bad, but I like variety.

 

The Battle Royal was a nice way to get a lot of guys on the card for a payday and give Cesaro the closing spotlight, but last night did remind me of how much I missed the Money In The Bank match since it was pulled from WM. It does mean we get two MiTB matches a year on it's own ppv, but it was a great change of pace and exhibition for the spottier or more athletic guys who are never likely to have their own classic WM matches (e.g. Shelton Benjamin).

 

That and there was something inspiring about knowing that post WM, you had a fresh, readymade challenger to throw into the mix for the top title(s).

[TLCJR4LIFE]

The crowd reaction was priceless when Undertaker lost. On another point, how come Bryan wasn't selling the shoulder during the celebration?

 

Because overselling limb injuries is the most overdone, stupid thing in wrestling.

 

 

People said I was a fool to put money on John Cena winning, but I showed them. Hustle. Loyalty. Money in my pocket.

 

It was an alright show. Battle Royal and Diva-fest were unexpected treats. Few too many loooooong singles matches for my liking. None of them were bad, but I like variety.

 

Couldn't believe Cena was the betting underdog. Absurd really.

 

The only thing is I don't trust that online gambling stuff so I didn't bet money myself.

[LoganRodzen]

A part of me died last night with the streak. WrestleMania (as I know it) will never be the same anymore. I understand the streak needed to end some day (OK, no I don't) but it shouldn't have been Lesnar in my opinion (unless he's staying around full time now). They should have built this for someone who could really gain something from it. What does Lesnar get from that win? Nothing. He's already a beast whose extremely over.

 

It was definitely a WM moment for the ages. One that will never be beat in my opinion. When that ref hit the "3" - that crowd was speechless, the commentary was speechless... the look on everyone's face said it all. I have a ton of respect for 'Taker - willing to drop his legacy. From a guy whose always felt the business was the most important thing and leaving it better then it was when he started was important to him. He had the ultimate say as to when and who he was going to lose to... and I respect him for ending something that I don't think anyone else would have ended. That takes a lot of guts.

 

I just hope Lesnar appreciates what 'Taker did for him last night and doesn't leave the WWE in a couple of months.

[Warhawk8492]

A part of me died last night with the streak. WrestleMania (as I know it) will never be the same anymore. I understand the streak needed to end some day (OK, no I don't) but it shouldn't have been Lesnar in my opinion (unless he's staying around full time now). They should have built this for someone who could really gain something from it. What does Lesnar get from that win? Nothing. He's already a beast whose extremely over.

 

It was definitely a WM moment for the ages. One that will never be beat in my opinion. When that ref hit the "3" - that crowd was speechless, the commentary was speechless... the look on everyone's face said it all. I have a ton of respect for 'Taker - willing to drop his legacy. From a guy whose always felt the business was the most important thing and leaving it better then it was when he started was important to him. He had the ultimate say as to when and who he was going to lose to... and I respect him for ending something that I don't think anyone else would have ended. That takes a lot of guts.

 

I just hope Lesnar appreciates what 'Taker did for him last night and doesn't leave the WWE in a couple of months.

 

Brock Lesnar is going to get X Pac heat for this.

[lazorbeak]

Brock Lesnar is going to get X Pac heat for this.

 

If by "X-Pac heat," you mean that fans will boo him, then yes, I agree.

[Teh_Showtime]

Brock Lesnar is a draw, there is no such thing as X PAC heat for someone people pay to see. It is legitimate heat and it's the goal of every heel.

[CQI13]

What would the outrage have been had Punk beaten Taker last year, and he leaves this year anyway?

[jwt13]

Brock will be on Raw a few times leave for a year then show up again. It was a rushed shock value booking that ruins wrestlemania and tarnishes the legend of Taker.

 

Either give a young guy the rub or have Taker retire undefeated. Hell let Cena, Orton, end it atleast they give the WWE 110% of everything they have not the 40% Brock does.

[LoNdOn]

The crowd going absolutely dead was fantastic and gave me goosebumps. That was the defining moment of the evening for me. Would I have booked it the same way? No, but you cannot argue with the end result. Brilliant theatre.

[Tha Black Phenom]

What would the outrage have been had Punk beaten Taker last year, and he leaves this year anyway?

 

Hell, what would've been the outrage if Triple H ended it, period?

 

That's why the post-reactions amuse me, no matter who you bring up as a potential streak ender, there would always, always be another side to the coin.

[jwt13]

Has anybody seen how much stock is tanking for WWE? it's down 25% since they announced (to me) less than impresive numbers for the WWE network

[jbergey_2005]

It would be a great time to buy stock in WWE. Have they even started selling WWE TV Internationally yet?

[jbergey_2005]

Hell, what would've been the outrage if Triple H ended it, period?

 

That's why the post-reactions amuse me, no matter who you bring up as a potential streak ender, there would always, always be another side to the coin.

 

The Truth!