The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

[justtxyank]

It took years for WCW to beat the WWF in the wars and people often forget that the early product that Bischoff was putting out with Hogan on top was AWFUL. We went from getting main events like Flair vs Vader to main events of Hogan vs Brutus Beefcake.

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TommyDreamerFan" data-cite="TommyDreamerFan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bischoff probably thinks it's some smart-mark trying to be a jerk, and you know what? The kid probably was! Somebody whose trolling TNA workers on Facebook probably doesn't watch TNA anyway.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Maybe this is why people tag you as a TNA super mark. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I could do the exact same question to him if i saw TNA. Or another one even worse. And who said he was trollin? it's a legitimate question. People who care for TNA (and even those who don't) want to know about these kind of things. It's normal.</p>

[Daffanka]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TommyDreamerFan" data-cite="TommyDreamerFan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So what? Trying to get people to get behind Kurt Angle, a guy doing a freaking patriotic gimmick going against a loudmouth jerk like Kennedy. Oh yeah so not relatable.<p> </p><p> A fun loving baby face like Pope getting beaten down by heels, contenuing to wrestling on an injured ankle. GOD I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT!</p><p> </p><p> Abyss going from a pathetic mess to a man of great confidence because of Hogan's ring, most likely he'll lose the ring and find out he's been the monster all the long and not the ring. Oh yeah, thats not so simple I haven't seen that story done in other medium.</p><p> </p><p> Eric Bischoff being an jerk boss, who you know is going to turn on Hogan eventually, torturing two company guys that only want to work Foley/Jarrett. HELLO AUSTIN/MCMAHON REVISTED!</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>I AM NOT SAYING THE TNA PRODUCT IS BETTER THEN THE WWE PRODUCT!!! I AM SAYING THE TNA PRODUCT IS JUST AS GOOD, PLUS IT'S A MILLION TIMES MORE FRESH!</strong></p><p> </p><p> The reason I don't watch WWE currently isn't because I hate it, it's because I'm bored with everything I've seen that I can see on it (admittedly if I could watch Smackdown, I'd be interested in seeing what they're doing with CM Punk).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Except the Kennedy feud just about ended when Angle bashed the hell out of him with a chair. But they keep on trucking. It's also just about only the decent storyline in TNA.</p><p> </p><p> Pope is just drifting around waiting for his shot. That's very clumsy booking.</p><p> </p><p> The WWE hall of fame ring business is nonsense and idiotic. Never mind the stupidity of the thing, but it's like they're telling us that their product is second rate to WWE.</p><p> </p><p> Bischoff being a jerk boss is fine except he inserts himself into every angle and the people he abuse never get comeuppance. Also he's not Vince and Jarrett isn't Stone Cold so that's a pretty dumb comparison.</p><p> </p><p> The TNA product is far, far worse than WWE. They're not equal. Not on any level. WWE is stale and RAW is boring but it makes sense. There's no Samoa Joe being kidnapped by ninjas. No X-division champ being squashed by a guy leaving the company. No Bischoff in every damn angle. No Nasty Boys to stink up the ring. No Jarrett being a total wuss as the face. No X-Pac and Scott Hall. No Kevin Nash. NO HOGAN</p>

[Zeel1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Daffanka" data-cite="Daffanka" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bischoff being a jerk boss is fine except he inserts himself into every angle and the people he abuse never get comeuppance.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm guessing you didn't see the head-shaving on the last show? That sure seemed like some comeuppance to me. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TommyDreamerFan" data-cite="TommyDreamerFan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We're not the life blood of this industry, merely the most vocal part of it. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't get you. You completely understand that casual fans make up the majority of the paying fanbase, but then you complain because the E caters to the casual fan.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And **** y'all, The Nasty's if used right can be an asset. These guys have the charisma, they can get the crowd to hate them, just keep their matches under ten minute brawls. Build them up and then let them work with guys like Shelly and Sabin a great tag team that no one outside You, me and the cactus in the room give a **** about. Plus, The Nasty's were WAY ahead of their time! These were the guys that were wearing all black and doing the counter-culture look with leatherjackets and chains before that kind of thing became huge in wrestling with the attitude era. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> ROFL</p><p> </p><p> Listen, i get that YOU like the Nasty Boys. And that would be totally fine if you didn't spend so much time insisting how great they are to the rest of the world. </p><p> </p><p> Just accept that you like them and that not many others do. It's fine.</p>

[Linsolv]

Yeah! Like me and The Miz! He's a twerp, but he's a twerp I mark for. But nobody ELSE knows about it. Shoot. Wait.

[Nedew]

Man, i love reading this thread <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Hyde Hill]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zeel1" data-cite="Zeel1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He's working us, clearly. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> First off. Damn I missed a whole discussion about TNA! lolz</p><p> </p><p> Second. I have been on EB's facebook on occasion and that guy was living there so it was more a response to that then the actual question. Plus EB already gave an answer about the bad ratings of the week before where he answered it was dissapointing but part of a long term strategy. Plus when EB is in the mood he goes In Character as Zeel pointed out.</p><p> </p><p> Edit: He wasn't trolling he was overposting.</p><p> </p><p> Long story short about TNA. Yes the IWC is more critical of them then the WWE in general and one of the main reasons I think is because everyone wants TNA to be what they want to see in wrestling and not so much what it is. There are more but that is an underlying thing I think.</p><p> </p><p> Yes TNA's product isn't much worse then the WWE's but in order to compete it needs to be better in order to seriously compete.</p><p> </p><p> TNA has all the ingredients roster wise etc but always seem to screw up stuff . They also sometimes have great storylines and matches probably on a more regular occasion then the E imho but there is a lot more crap that comes with that giving it a worse ratio.</p><p> </p><p> For instance WWE 1 Great 8 Mediocre 1 Crap and TNA 2 Great 5 Mediocre 3 Crap. And a lot of that crap is easily identifiable which is so damn frustrating.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Generally I have been defending TNA mostly when stuff was said that was a false perception or overly focused on the negatives imho. But I have always tried to point out all the mistakes as well. And before this whole debate started I pointed out my feelings so far and the net result so far has been zero leening on negative.</p><p> </p><p> Damn turned into a rant when I wasn't planning on one. Well at least I am no longer the number 1 TNA mark around lolz.</p>

[Linsolv]

<p>I changed my mind about you, Jester! Then again, that wasn't an argument. That was me finding out where your avatar came from.</p><p> </p><p>

(Changed from being afraid of gettin' punched to <em>not</em> being <em>very</em> afraid.)</p>

[Hyde Hill]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Nedew" data-cite="Nedew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Man, i love reading this thread <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yep like I said before you can say a lot about TNA but they always give you a lot to say about them lolz.</p>

[jesterx7769]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Linsolv" data-cite="Linsolv" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I changed my mind about you, Jester! Then again, that wasn't an argument. That was me finding out where your avatar came from.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I decided to be nice as I have steered away from stuff as of late. I</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It took years for WCW to beat the WWF in the wars and people often forget that the early product that Bischoff was putting out with Hogan on top was AWFUL. We went from getting main events like Flair vs Vader to main events of Hogan vs Brutus Beefcake.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Geez...I wonder how that ended? Oh wait...we all know how it ended...with a massive unemployment line. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Moe Hunter]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TommyDreamerFan" data-cite="TommyDreamerFan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> And your right, The Nasty boys in TNA is keeping Matt Morgan/Pope/Anderson/Wolfe/Hernandez/BeutifulPeople/Daffney from getting pushed... OH WAIT! <.<</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wait nothing. The Beautiful people were off TV for THREE WEEKS in a row. That's not a push. Wolfe and Pope are never the focus, always just a background acessory to whatever Hogan and Flair want to do this week.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Okay, removing my TNA Rose Colored Glasses, The Nastys are giving Team 3D something to do thats not the TNA Tag Titles. It's important to keep them on TV, but away from the rest of the tag division because they don't need the belts.</div></blockquote><p> 3D can stay in Japan. They got stale ten years ago (and didn't Bubba say he was retiring a year or so ago?). I really don't see how it's important they stay on TV at all. There are plenty of better workers who could actually use the spotlight to make something of themselves.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you want to talk people that are a waste of TV time that Hogan brought in, why aren't y'all complaining about Scott Hall? He's not even in condition to put on his bloody ring gear for Christ sakes!</div></blockquote><p> As it has been covered in great depth here already. I was a Hall mark, but he has NO business in the ring, and he takes up way too much time on TNA along with the rest of "The Band" storyline.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not to mention Rob Terry, Global Champion, has all the skills of The Ultimate Warrior. I mean if you really want to complain about work rate. Oh but I guess we can excuse him as well because he's young talent right? </div></blockquote><p> Please point me to one post praising Rob Terry. He's a useless meathead.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>One last thing, it's much much easier to look at something and dump on it rather then try to see the big picture and the reasoning behind something. Unlike the rest of you, so quick to assume TNA has all ready lost their war with the WWE and that there is no hope for ratings climb, I'm waiting till at least DECEMBER before I say TNA has no hope on Mondays. If it's been one year and their still barely holding a 1.0 fine.</div></blockquote><p> It's been two and a hald months and they haven't held the 1.0 already. Here's the thing - all that the huge TNA supporters ever say is "they just need ___, give it time, you'll see". Okay so they've gone from Weekly PPVs to a weekly TV show and monthly PPVs. They've been extended to a 2 hour show "to better utilize the talent", and now they've moved to Mondays. They've had huge names like Kurt Angle, Sting and now Hogan.</p><p> </p><p> What is it *actually* going to take before they see success? They've had 7 years and all the breaks in the world. Spike and Panda bailed them out financially when they needed it, even.</p><p> </p><p> So people can talk about a "long term plan" all they want, but when the booking is so awful all the way across the board, there's no way it can build to the future.</p><p> </p><p> Step 1: Failure</p><p> Step 2: Repeat Failure</p><p> Step 3: ???</p><p> Step 4: Success!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Move it back to Thursdays but by then I optimistically believe they'll be doing roughly the same numbers they were doing on Thursdays before the move. And won't that be monumental?</div></blockquote><p> No, it really wouldn't.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Pssh probably not for most. People will look at that and say "Oh look how pathetic they are! It took them a whole year just to get back to where they where one year prior" Completely disregarding, that you know, they built up a fanbase in little over a year.</div></blockquote><p> How does that logic work? That they re-built a new audience after the existing one dropped off, or that keeping the same audience is somehow a new audience?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TommyDreamerFan" data-cite="TommyDreamerFan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So what? Trying to get people to get behind Kurt Angle, a guy doing a freaking patriotic gimmick going against a loudmouth jerk like Kennedy. Oh yeah so not relatable.</div></blockquote><p> Nevermind that most of the segments have been really poor, and that the whole "army medals" thing is lame and... wait for it... Completely unrelatable for anyone outside the US, let alone plenty of people within the US who have also expressed their nonchalance to the story.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A fun loving baby face like Pope getting beaten down by heels, contenuing to wrestling on an injured ankle. GOD I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT!</div></blockquote><p> Nevermind that Pope is one of the many victims of having ridiculously short matches some times, then much longer matches others, often against the same opponent, with no explanation for how they won/lost in such record time when obviously they *can* hang a lot longer.</p><p> </p><p> Also the very shaky way they're treating his push/title shot. Taking him off TV, throwing Abyss and JEFF HARDY at AJ in the meantime... Pope is sitting in the backseat here.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Abyss going from a pathetic mess to a man of great confidence because of Hogan's ring, most likely he'll lose the ring and find out he's been the monster all the long and not the ring. Oh yeah, thats not so simple I haven't seen that story done in other medium.</div></blockquote><p> I've never seen it done so annoyingly in any other medium. Abyss sucks and grates on me every time he's on TV. Hogan is boring and shouldn't be taking up so much goddamn time. And so what, it's a story that's been overtold elsewhere, so we're supposed to like it here?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Eric Bischoff being an jerk boss, who you know is going to turn on Hogan eventually, torturing two company guys that only want to work Foley/Jarrett. HELLO AUSTIN/MCMAHON REVISTED!</div></blockquote><p> No one cares about Jarrett. He has always stunk up the joint and never earned a scrap of the belts that Russo has given him over the past 10 years. And a non-wrestling Jarrett is even more annoying and pointless.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The reason I don't watch WWE currently isn't because I hate it, it's because I'm bored with everything I've seen that I can see on it (admittedly if I could watch Smackdown, I'd be interested in seeing what they're doing with CM Punk).</div></blockquote><p> Good choice. Anything and everything Punk has done since the start of his feud with Jeff Hardy has been absolute gold and infinitely better than anything TNA has put on. He's the best worker in the business today as far as I'm concerned.</p>

[Nedew]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Geez...I wonder how that ended? Oh wait...we all know how it ended...with a massive unemployment line. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In fairness, it wasn't all clear-cut "oh WCW sucked and failed from the start through to the end". In 1997, they were well ahead and Vince was struggling. Let's not neglect how significant that is.</p>

[Slagaholic]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TommyDreamerFan" data-cite="TommyDreamerFan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And **** y'all, The Nasty's if used right can be an asset. These guys have the charisma, they can get the crowd to hate them, just keep their matches under ten minute brawls. Build them up and then let them work with guys like Shelly and Sabin a great tag team that no one outside You, me and the cactus in the room give a **** about. Plus, The Nasty's were WAY ahead of their time! These were the guys that were wearing all black and doing the counter-culture look with leatherjackets and chains before that kind of thing became huge in wrestling with the attitude era. </div></blockquote><p> You are not alone.</p><p> </p><p> Even if you don't agree with a word TDF says, can't you at least admire the passion?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>"A fan asked Eric Bischoff the following question on his Facebook page: Why aren't you commenting on your thoughts on this week's ratings. They weren't better but I think everyone would like to hear what you think. Bischoff replied with this: Markus...you need to get a life."</strong> - (From Wrestlingexposed.com)<p> </p><p> What on God's name?? So he wants the fans to get a life? Good! How about if they started their new life not watching TNA? Seriously...this is not the way to respond to ratings questions...This guy knows zero about beeing diplomatic...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How's your family life?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Daffanka" data-cite="Daffanka" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The TNA product is far, far worse than WWE. They're not equal. Not on any level. WWE is stale and RAW is boring but it makes sense. There's no Samoa Joe being kidnapped by ninjas. No X-division champ being squashed by a guy leaving the company. No Bischoff in every damn angle. No Nasty Boys to stink up the ring. No Jarrett being a total wuss as the face. No X-Pac and Scott Hall. No Kevin Nash. NO HOGAN</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I understand your frustrations. </p><p> </p><p> However!</p><p> </p><p> It's only been 2 and a half months and it's clear they're trying to do too much. They made one very smart decision in turning AJ Styles heel. They turned the face of the company heel, and it's worked. Turning Styles and pairing him up with Flair allows TNA to have a man on top that can consistently deliver good main events. That is something Bischoff did not do in WCW. </p><p> </p><p> So as valid your concerns are with TNA's booking, at least the man with the World title can deliver in the main event.</p><p> </p><p> I like the Kevin Nash and EY vs The Band story for two reasons: I was a huge mark of the Wolfpac, and this storyline has the potential to move Eric Young up the card. Waltman/Hall won't last long in TNA. It's a neck-and-neck race between TNA running out of storylines for them and the inevitable relapse. Regardless, Nash and EY will be put together in another program, either as a tag team (silly) or turning one of them heel (better). Either way, EY will come out on top. Giving him just the help he needs.</p><p> </p><p> Bischoff's character is being too much of a jerk to not get his ass kicked and disappear later. If Bischoff is this same character taking up this much TV time in 2 months I'll eat my hat.</p><p> </p><p> Yes I realize I just booked TNA to support my liking them. It's not very logical, but I'm not a very logical person.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How's your family life?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Perfect, thanks for asking.</p>

[Slagaholic]

<p>By lying you proved my point. He didn't owe the asker an answer. So Bischoff decided to deflect the question, just like you did. It would have been nice if he had answered the question honestly, but the fact that he didn't is hardly something you can hold against him.</p><p> </p><p>

It is silly goosery to ask someone a personal question and expect an (honest) answer.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>By lying you proved my point. He didn't owe the asker an answer. So Bischoff decided to deflect the question, just like you did. It would have been nice if he had answered the question honestly, but the fact that he didn't is hardly something you can hold against him.<p> </p><p> It is silly goosery to ask someone a personal question and expect an (honest) answer.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> First of all, it wasn't a personal question. His opinions about TNA's product are part of his professional life.</p><p> </p><p> 2nd: Are you kidding me? Serioulsy...are you? I don't know how you're family life is at the moment (and i don't give a flying F) but i don't assume it's bad or good. Mine IS perfect, thank God. Why wouldn't it be? Unless you're...me...my paren´s,my brothers,or my girlfriend, how could you even assume i'm lying? Why the hell would i lie? Sure, you don't know me, but i'm a cold SOB (Greg House type but without the shenanigans) and i'm not afraid of saying the truth and telling what i think. Hell i'm the guys that said: So Benoit killed his son, so what? I don't care what you think of my family life's state, as long as you keep it yo yourself. hell, i don't have to prove you squat. But having to read to a post where you call me liar with absolutely no proof? Don't you ever do that, son. You were still wearing diappers and i already had to put up with...guys like you. (To be nice) This conversation is over. And as for the future conversations, let's keep them about wrestling.</p>

[Linsolv]

<p>What he was saying was basically, that you glossed over details -- it's to be expected, since it IS very personal. However, it was a bit rude of him, even if he was trying to prove a point.</p><p> </p><p>

EDIT: Forgot to add my conclusion. "The reason he points out such glossing is because he's saying that Bischoff is essentially doing the same thing."</p><p> </p><p>

However, on the other hand, your point (that Bischoff was not asked a personal question) is entirely valid.</p><p> </p><p>

I hope everyone can continue being more-or-less friends from here on out. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Slagaholic]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First of all, it wasn't a personal question. His opinions about TNA's product are part of his professional life.</div></blockquote><p> His canned opinion is part of his professional life, what he truly believes is part of his personal life.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why wouldn't it be? Unless you're...me...my paren´s,my brothers,or my girlfriend, how could you even assume i'm lying?</div></blockquote><p> Because you're a human being with emotions, goals, and insecurities.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why the hell would i lie?</div></blockquote><p> Because you're posting on a message board and feel like you have an image to keep up. And don't even bother, I'll give you the "I don't care what people think of me" retort and save you the typing.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sure, you don't know me, but i'm a cold SOB (Greg House type but without the shenanigans) and i'm not afraid of saying the truth and telling what i think.</div></blockquote><p> Saying that you're the "Greg House type" gives me more reason to think you're lying about having a "perfect family life."</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hell i'm the guys that said: So Benoit killed his son, so what? I don't care what you think of my family life's state, as long as you keep it yo yourself. hell, i don't have to prove you squat. But having to read to a post where you call me liar with absolutely no proof? Don't you ever do that, son. You were still wearing diappers and i already had to put up with...guys like you. (To be nice) This conversation is over. And as for the future conversations, let's keep them about wrestling.</div></blockquote><p> For someone with nothing to prove, you sure spend a lot of time trying to do so.</p><p> </p><p> I agree, let's keep it in the ring.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For someone with nothing to prove, you sure spend a lot of time trying to do so.<p> </p><p> I agree, let's keep it in the ring.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I have nothing to prove, that doesn't mean i'll take crap from anyone, That's different. But i actually see no point in continuing this debate about personal lifes. I don't like you, but hey, i don't dislike you. Hell, i don't even know you. And that's why i don't make assumptions on you're family life. ANd still...you keep taling about it. As i said, and you already agreed, let's keep it in the ring. End of discussion. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Slagaholic]

If I didn't like you, I wouldn't have had a conversation with you. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I'm so alone...

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If I didn't like you, I wouldn't have had a conversation with you. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I'm so alone...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Buy a dog? <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Slagaholic]

Mother won't let me get one...

[Remianen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TommyDreamerFan" data-cite="TommyDreamerFan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>****, take a look at a promotion that did cater to the geeks like us like ECW. What were they pulling on TNN? .5! Nearly the same amount of advertising too! Hell for that matter, someone one pull up what ROH on HDNet is doing!<p> </p><p> We're not the life blood of this industry, merely the most vocal part of it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You are absolutely right. But Bentley/Maybach/Rolls Royce/Lexus/Infiniti/Mercedes aren't the lifeblood of their industries. Doesn't stop them from being ridiculously profitable and highly respected and sought after. I'd like to suggest something to you. Check the demographics of the promotions you mentioned. Whose bottom lines sagged during the "economic downturn" and whose didn't? It is possible to be profitable without pandering to the widest possible audience. But profitability isn't the goal here. It's ridiculously profitable that these folks are shooting for. It's 'so popular, we're an institution' level (which, I should remind you, has already largely been achieved by the competition). </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TommyDreamerFan" data-cite="TommyDreamerFan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And **** y'all, The Nasty's if used right can be an asset. These guys have the charisma, they can get the crowd to hate them, just keep their matches under ten minute brawls. Build them up and then let them work with guys like Shelly and Sabin a great tag team that no one outside You, me and the cactus in the room give a **** about. Plus, The Nasty's were WAY ahead of their time! These were the guys that were wearing all black and doing the counter-culture look with leatherjackets and chains before that kind of thing became huge in wrestling with the attitude era.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The same can be said for ANY tag team that worked in the WWF at any time over the last 20 years. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You are not alone.<p> </p><p> Even if you don't agree with a word TDF says, can't you at least admire the passion?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No, because it's blind passion. He's doing the textual equivalent of pressing his palms against his ears and shouting "LA LA LA LA LA LA". This is the same kind of blind passion that led Detroit Lions fans to believe Matt Millen was an awesome General Manager. This same blind passion placed my hometown New York Knicks in such a deep hole, they had to basically throw away two full seasons of performance just to <strong><em>possibly</em></strong> fix it. In short, with those kinds of fans, nothing changes until the rock bottom point because their tireless blind optimism won't demand it.</p><p> </p><p> In business, as in life, the best clients/fans to have are those who will call you on it when you do something stupid. I don't want friends who tell me I'm awesome when I screw up. I want friends who tell me "Man, that was just dumb. What made you think that was a good idea?". I don't want clients who keep their mouths shut when something goes wrong. I want them to come to me and tell me so I can fix it.</p><p> </p><p> You know what the rating on that clusterfuzzle is likely to do? Make them look at what might have caused it and try to remedy it. Do you know what would've happened if TDF had his way and everyone recommended TNA to their friends and that clusterfuzzle got a 1.8? Think about that for a minute (or don't).</p>