JackKnifed72 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Take the Giants + the points ...Gronkowski is hurt...Giants pass rush disrupts... Giants - 23 Patriots - 17 Atleast, as a bitter Steeler's fan (Patriots cheated!) I hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timber Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 As i've said elsewhere: Pats 30 Giants' 17 I'm a Steelers fan and just glad the ravens haven't gone to the Super Bowl, was hoping that the 49'ers would. Hate the pats and hate the giants. may they both lose, but in the instance, go pats.. i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKnifed72 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Take the Giants + the points ...Gronkowski is hurt...Giants pass rush disrupts... Giants - 23 Patriots - 17 ...just saying... As a life long Steeler fan...and I'd like to think a generally nice and fair human being...I take solace in the fact that before Belichek was caught cheating he was 3 - 0 in Superbowls... ...since then 0 - 2 there is order in the cosmos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 The best part of the Giants winning the Super Bowl was not the fact that they had just won their 8th Championship. No, the best part was after the game was over with and Tom Coughlin was hugged by Flavor Flav. Now that was classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Well in a move that I did not see coming it looks like Tim Tebow will be heading to the Jets. I thought for sure he would go to Jacksonville or the Rams so I was shocked. I guess this goes to show that the Jets do not have faith in Sanchez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well in a move that I did not see coming it looks like Tim Tebow will be heading to the Jets. I thought for sure he would go to Jacksonville or the Rams so I was shocked. I guess this goes to show that the Jets do not have faith in Sanchez.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Jets voided the trade. Apparently they forgot to read the contract pre-phone call, found out that Tebow made money, and wasn't paid in praise, and decided against it. lol</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 It was voided, and then they apparently worked out a revised version of the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Prophet" data-cite="Prophet" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Jets voided the trade. Apparently they forgot to read the contract pre-phone call, found out that Tebow made money, and wasn't paid in praise, and decided against it. lol</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm not sure if you're kidding or not, but that is a very ridiculous way of putting it. It's more that bonus and guaranteed money was paid in advance, and the Broncos want to recoup the money, rather than essentially paying his salary for the Jets over the next 3 years.</p><p> </p><p> But yes, they worked it out, and the trade is done. Tebow and a 7th to the Jets for a 4th and a 6th, as well as half of the money previously paid to Tebow ($2.5 million of the $5 million).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imarevenant Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="soxfan93" data-cite="soxfan93" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm not sure if you're kidding or not, <strong>but that is a very ridiculous way of putting it. </strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Allow me introduce you to Prophet <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <p>You know, I'm kinda sad about all this. As probably one of the very few Broncos fans here, I was hoping that Tebow would be given time to learn under the very best in the business. I've hated all this garbage the so-called "experts" have spouted about his throwing motion and all that crap when all I care about (and all they should care about) is Ws. The Broncos don't make the playoffs with Kyle Orton as quarterback. They don't beat the Steelers with Kyle Orton as quarterback. Kyle Orton, with his "good" throwing motion didn't do squat, which is why he lost his job and why he's on his third team in two years. The quarterback position, especially nowadays, is more mental than physical. Bernie Kosar couldn't throw a tight spiral to save his life, but he was still as accurate as could be. Joe Montana couldn't throw the ball 90 yards through the air. Doug Flutie was too short, too small, too whatever. All of these prototype quarterbacks around the league, can't win crap even with stellar receivers (right Kevin Kolb?). Through all of the criticism and slams and haterade showers, all Tebow did was go out and get results. His teammates loved the hell out of him because he worked his ass off and despite what anyone said, he got it done. How's Mark Sanchez holding up?</p><p> </p><p> I ain't mad though, we still have Peyton. As long as Elway doesn't fixate on the "on paper" element, they could get a very good developmental quarterback (Kirk Cousins, BJ Coleman, or Nick Foles on day 2 or Aaron Corp, Chandler Harnish, Alex Tanney, Patrick Witt, or Dan Persa on day 3) that doesn't cost a whole helluva lot. You need smart kids who are hard workers to learn from Peyton, not a Jacory Harris type.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You know, I'm kinda sad about all this. As probably one of the very few Broncos fans here, I was hoping that Tebow would be given time to learn under the very best in the business. I've hated all this garbage the so-called "experts" have spouted about his throwing motion and all that crap when all I care about (and all they should care about) is Ws. The Broncos don't make the playoffs with Kyle Orton as quarterback. They don't beat the Steelers with Kyle Orton as quarterback. Kyle Orton, with his "good" throwing motion didn't do squat, which is why he lost his job and why he's on his third team in two years. The quarterback position, especially nowadays, is more mental than physical. Bernie Kosar couldn't throw a tight spiral to save his life, but he was still as accurate as could be. Joe Montana couldn't throw the ball 90 yards through the air. Doug Flutie was too short, too small, too whatever. All of these prototype quarterbacks around the league, can't win crap even with stellar receivers (right Kevin Kolb?). Through all of the criticism and slams and haterade showers, all Tebow did was go out and get results. His teammates loved the hell out of him because he worked his ass off and despite what anyone said, he got it done. How's Mark Sanchez holding up?<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Amen to that. Whenever I see a guy getting dumped on by all the experts the way Tebow has been it's my impulse to back the guy. Tebow racks up the number that should matter most. Wins. The game's not called Throw A Pretty Ball. It's called (a bit inaccurately) Football. The guy may not be a classic quarterback just yet. Heck, it may take him as many years to become one as it did Randall Cunningham. But he plays football with everything he's got and can lead people to victory even if he has to take a whole team on his back. That's a rare quality and it deserves respect. The road to greatness is littered with the bodies of guys who were supposed to quality players in more typical ways and ultimately couldn't do bupkus. I don't care how orthodox or otherwise a guy is. If he can get my Browns the results Tebow's gotten Denver when he's been called on, I'm all in for that.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The road to greatness is littered with the bodies of guys who were supposed to quality players in more typical ways and ultimately couldn't do bupkus.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is why I am shocked by the Colts' actions this whole time. I remember hearing this much hype about a young QB named Matt Leinart who everyone thought was poised and ready to be the next huge QB star. I mean nowadays hindsight has us remember it differently, but after the championship game against Texas if I'd have told you Vince Young would have a far better NFL career than Matt Leinart you'd have told me I was crazy. Thats football.</p><p> </p><p> So the Colts take an all-time great and put him on his ass after he took less money to stay with the team... but I digress...Peyton still made A LOT of money so I won't cry for him.</p><p> </p><p> But they did this to get an unproven commodity like Luck, especially when they can trade that top pick and get the players they desperately need to be a real football team... i just feel it's poor decision making to save $30 million. Which is alot of money but in terms of an NFL team in today's economy, that's not really going to make or break them as a team.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You know, I'm kinda sad about all this. As probably one of the very few Broncos fans here, I was hoping that Tebow would be given time to learn under the very best in the business. I've hated all this garbage the so-called "experts" have spouted about his throwing motion and all that crap when all I care about (and all they should care about) is Ws. The Broncos don't make the playoffs with Kyle Orton as quarterback. They don't beat the Steelers with Kyle Orton as quarterback. Kyle Orton, with his "good" throwing motion didn't do squat, which is why he lost his job and why he's on his third team in two years. The quarterback position, especially nowadays, is more mental than physical. Bernie Kosar couldn't throw a tight spiral to save his life, but he was still as accurate as could be. Joe Montana couldn't throw the ball 90 yards through the air. Doug Flutie was too short, too small, too whatever. All of these prototype quarterbacks around the league, can't win crap even with stellar receivers (right Kevin Kolb?). Through all of the criticism and slams and haterade showers, all Tebow did was go out and get results. His teammates loved the hell out of him because he worked his ass off and despite what anyone said, he got it done. How's Mark Sanchez holding up?<p> </p><p> I ain't mad though, we still have Peyton. As long as Elway doesn't fixate on the "on paper" element, they could get a very good developmental quarterback (Kirk Cousins, BJ Coleman, or Nick Foles on day 2 or Aaron Corp, Chandler Harnish, Alex Tanney, Patrick Witt, or Dan Persa on day 3) that doesn't cost a whole helluva lot. You need smart kids who are hard workers to learn from Peyton, not a Jacory Harris type.</p></div></blockquote><p> I'm a Broncos fan too, and I agree with pretty much all of this. I was a Tebow skeptic and was not happy when they drafted him, but he won me over this past season. It might not have been pretty, but it worked. And, bonus, it gave all those damn talking heads on ESPN fits. </p><p> </p><p> I do think he needs to develop into a more accurate passer if he's going to have longevity, but I'll be rooting for him (even if I don't really like the Jets.) I've seen some people call him "the worst QB in the NFL", and I think that's absolutely ridiculous. Like you said, that team went a hell of a lot further with him at QB than they would have with Kyle Orton or *shudder* Brady Quinn.</p><p> </p><p> I wish the best for Tebow, but I'm psyched to have Manning. If he's healthy (and stays healthy), I think they're a legit Super Bowl contender.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was voided, and then they apparently worked out a revised version of the trade.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I hadn't checked for a few hours prior to the post. I'm wary of Tebow in New Jersey ...the lack of patience us New Yorkers tend to show may rattle him whilst still developing. Thought Jacksonville or Miami would've been better for him.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Allow me introduce you to Prophet <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When you think ridiculous ...you think Prophet! lol</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is why I am shocked by the Colts' actions this whole time. I remember hearing this much hype about a young QB named Matt Leinart who everyone thought was poised and ready to be the next huge QB star. I mean nowadays hindsight has us remember it differently, but after the championship game against Texas if I'd have told you Vince Young would have a far better NFL career than Matt Leinart you'd have told me I was crazy. Thats football.<p> </p><p> So the Colts take an all-time great and put him on his ass after he took less money to stay with the team... but I digress...Peyton still made A LOT of money so I won't cry for him.</p><p> </p><p> But they did this to get an unproven commodity like Luck, especially when they can trade that top pick and get the players they desperately need to be a real football team... i just feel it's poor decision making to save $30 million. Which is alot of money but in terms of an NFL team in today's economy, that's not really going to make or break them as a team.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes but what if Luck is the second coming, that is the risk that the Colts are willing to take. They are taking the risk the Luck turns out to be their QB for the next ten years. Also, who knows how good Peyton will be when he comes back. Some players are able to overcome major injuries while others are not.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've seen some people call him "the worst QB in the NFL", and I think that's absolutely ridiculous.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hey people say that about Eli all of the time (Some still do.) and he has two Super Bowl rings so I would not put too much stock in that. I agree with you, Tebow is not a horrible QB and I think he proved that by getting the Broncos into the playoffs.</p><p> </p><p> That being said, I hate the Jets so him doing good there (Which I would like to see him do.) directly conflicts with me wanting to see the Jets do bad.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'm a huge vane of the Manning/Denver deal. I can't stand either one, when I heard this I laughed, then I cried because the stupid Redskins resigned Grossmen. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />. After they let Torain go, I was mad then this. I guess getting Pierre was a step up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm a huge vane of the Manning/Denver deal. I can't stand either one, when I heard this I laughed, then I cried because the stupid Redskins resigned Grossmen. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />. After they let Torain go, I was mad then this. I guess getting Pierre was a step up....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Don't worry about losing Torain, Helu will have around 1,200 yards this year. RG3 will have his fair share, too (500).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="soxfan93" data-cite="soxfan93" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Don't worry about losing Torain, Helu will have around 1,200 yards this year. RG3 will have his fair share, too (500).</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> See I like Helu, I just don't think he's going to be all that good. RG3 I'm interested to see how he works. I've been a fan for longer than most here have been a live, but this seems like a good year with all the new signs they have done. Would really like to see a playoff spot, but I doubt it.</p><p> </p><p> /still rocking her Torain jersey!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Prophet" data-cite="Prophet" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I hadn't checked for a few hours prior to the post. I'm wary of Tebow in New Jersey ...the lack of patience us New Yorkers tend to show may rattle him whilst still developing. Thought Jacksonville or Miami would've been better for him.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So wait, you think New York fans will be worse than Tebow's seen already? REALLY? Tebow's had analysts from ESPN basically calling him a piece of (poop) pretty much from day one (Merril Hoge). On national TV, several times a week. People saying he's not really a quarterback (really? Then someone tell the Steelers to file a complaint. A non-quarterback threw a strike on a slant to Bebe and knocked them out of the playoffs). Again, this is the kind of player every coach with two brain cells to rub together wants 40 of. Unlike "The Sanchize", Tebow didn't "battle back" from adversity in the offseason (he did it in season and in the playoffs). No Jets fan is going to hate on a kid who produces better results than the anointed one has to date. Meanwhile, someone says "Sanchez hasn't done anything yet" (Vic Carucci) and the man sulks for three weeks.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes but what if Luck is the second coming, that is the risk that the Colts are willing to take. They are taking the risk the Luck turns out to be their QB for the next ten years. Also, who knows how good Peyton will be when he comes back. Some players are able to overcome major injuries while others are not.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The second coming of who? David Carr? Luck is coming to a team with an o-line that only loosely qualifies as such, no running game, one good receiver (Reggie), and a defense that was built around his predecessor (the Colts D was designed to play best when holding a lead. When Mathis & Freeney can pin their ears back and meet at the quarterback, the Colts can get by with a sad sack secondary. No more). Basically, people are going to tee off on him so I hope he doesn't get PTSD like Carr got in Houston due to the beatings he took. The Colts are essentially starting from scratch. Personally, I would've kept Dan Orlovsky and let him take the beatdown until I could assemble a good O-line.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm a huge vane of the Manning/Denver deal. I can't stand either one, when I heard this I laughed, then I cried because the stupid Redskins resigned Grossmen. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />. After they let Torain go, I was mad then this. I guess getting Pierre was a step up....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> mlt, what are you fretting about? Has Mike Shanahan taught you nothing so far? That man's system could make the groundskeeper into a 1,000 yard rusher. The one-cut is awesome! He did it in Denver (besides Clinton, who from that Broncos era went elsewhere and still performed at that level? Hell, I remember the Giants cast off Ron Dayne and he signed with Denver and HE played lights out, splitting time with Tatum Bell). Ryan Torain is a good player. Not great, but good. He's had the best years of his career....playing for Mike Shanahan. He's also a running back, who are a dime a dozen in this era (multiple backs, few workhorses anymore. Well, maybe Arian Foster...for now). Roy Helu and the 2-3 running backs they'll draft (along with the 2-4 undrafted free agents they sign) will do fine.</p><p> </p><p> Re-signing Rex was stupid though. Especially with Dan Orlovsky available (serviceable game manager, which is all the Skins need).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <p>First...how did fan become vane? God I hate autocorrect. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Remi I'm fretting as you say, because the team has been going downhill. Yes they have made some good signs, but running backs may be a do e a dozen, but really if it were that simple you'd be playing for the $$$ right? </p><p> </p><p> I wouldn't be a true fan if I didn't keep up with my team would I? </p><p> </p><p> Signing Rex back was total stupidity' I was rooting for him at the beginning of the past season because I HATE Beck, but now Fex is at the top of that list.</p><p> </p><p> Now these running bask you claim are do was to come by, how come there are only a handful who cn put the numbers up?</p><p> </p><p> See I'm not claiming Torain was/is the best he's just someone I liked. Just like Minot a Ravens fan e en though they are home team, but I loved Lee Evans. He's a great player, and a very nice guy, and fine as hell but that's for another time. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />. </p><p> </p><p> It's just like that idiot, god I can't remember his name, but he was on our local sports talk radio yammering about kickers being worthless and they should just get rid of them. We all have opinions on the. After, but in the end when it comes to the p,Ayer/team you like, your view and opinion is most likely going to differ from the general population.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> It's just like that idiot, god I can't remember his name, but he was on our local sports talk radio yammering about kickers being worthless and they should just get rid of them. We all have opinions on the. After, but in the end when it comes to the p,Ayer/team you like, your view and opinion is most likely going to differ from the general population.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I kow exactly what you mean, MLT. It's like when I hear all the talking heads blather about my Browns needing a quarterback. They see the stats and the records and the obvious things from the outside looking in. But they don't see all the passes our receivers dropped. They don't see that McCoy has yet to experience a true NFL routine. That he was pressed into duty in his rookie season due to injury or that last year he was trying to learn all new systems under a time crunch due to the lockout. They don't necessarily see him running for his life because we only have, at best, half an O-line.</p><p> </p><p> And a lot of people don't seem to notice or care that one of the reasons your Mannings, Bradys and Brees of the world become what they are while the Jason Campbells and Brady Quinns of the world become what they are is the ability to set a routine. Not the only one I grant you. But it's much easier to excel in one steady system than to be constantly learning new stuff over and over. That's a key factor in me not knowing what I think of my quarterback. I want to see him doing the same thing over multiple years before I declare that he can't be The Guy. As such I am against making any meaningful QB move until at least next year. If we don't get some stability we're never going to amount to anything regardless of how many gaudy baubles we draft in April or sign through free agency. And I need multiple years of McCoy doing the same thing before I'm comfortable with the idea he and the answer are two different things.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The second coming of who? David Carr? Luck is coming to a team with an o-line that only loosely qualifies as such, no running game, one good receiver (Reggie), and a defense that was built around his predecessor (the Colts D was designed to play best when holding a lead. When Mathis & Freeney can pin their ears back and meet at the quarterback, the Colts can get by with a sad sack secondary. No more). Basically, people are going to tee off on him so I hope he doesn't get PTSD like Carr got in Houston due to the beatings he took. The Colts are essentially starting from scratch. Personally, I would've kept Dan Orlovsky and let him take the beatdown until I could assemble a good O-line.</div></blockquote><p> There have been QB's in the past that have overcome weak Offensive Lines (see Jim Plunkett). Granted that was after he left the Patriots but you can still overcome it. Heck look at Eli, he was getting sacked left and right at the start of his career and he is now a proven winner. It depends on the make up of the QB.</p><p> </p><p> Plus it is not like the Colts were all that great when Peyton got there. Bottom line is we will not know until a couple of years down the line. Say they do tee off on him due to the weak Offensive Line, it will depend on his psyche if he will over come it.</p><p> </p><p> I like to go back to baseball because that is the sport that I know the most about. Look at bullpen pitchers in baseball (Yes I know it is different than getting hit by a 300+ pound defensive player.) some players either give up big runs or just do not do good as relief pitchers. Depending on their psyche some are able to comeback and continue to do great (Mariano Rivera after he gave up the bloop hit in the 2001 World Series, Nolan Ryan after playing for the Mets.) while others are just never the same (John Rocker, Donnie Moore, Mitch Williams).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Remi I'm fretting as you say, because the team has been going downhill. Yes they have made some good signs, but running backs may be a do e a dozen, but really if it were that simple you'd be playing for the $$$ right? </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No. Your typical running back does not play 12 years and make a boatload of cash. They also tend to have serious issues later in life. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Now these running bask you claim are do was to come by, how come there are only a handful who cn put the numbers up?<p> </p><p> See I'm not claiming Torain was/is the best he's just someone I liked. Just like Minot a Ravens fan e en though they are home team, but I loved Lee Evans. He's a great player, and a very nice guy, and fine as hell but that's for another time. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Um, this isn't a serious question, is it? Should I name off all the backs who have had "instant" success and then disappeared from the face of the planet? Look up Steve Slaton. How 'bout Derrick Ward? The reason your Petersons and CJ2ks and Fosters get the big money deals is because they're special. But you don't have to be special to "put the numbers up". Again, go back through Mike (and Kyle) Shanahan's resumes and see how many thousand yard rushers that offensive system has produced. Now, ask yourself how many of those players were 'special'. Shaun Alexander "put the numbers up", but where is he now? You want Ravens? How 'bout LeRon McClain. He put the numbers up one year and never again. There are many perennial playoff teams who don't have a feature back (Saints, Peyton-era Colts, Patriots, Giants, and so on) because there's no need to do so. There's a dearth of all-round talent available at the position so most teams use a committee. Oh, that brings another name to mind. LenDale White. Put up the numbers....and disappeared. Putting up the numbers means little. It doesn't make you special, consistency does. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's just like that idiot, god I can't remember his name, but he was on our local sports talk radio yammering about kickers being worthless and they should just get rid of them. We all have opinions on the. After, but in the end when it comes to the p,Ayer/team you like, your view and opinion is most likely going to differ from the general population.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> While I don't agree with this exact idea, I can see that point of view. For 60 minutes, 52 players put their very lives and futures on the line and in the end, the football equivalent of the 100lb weakling gets to decide who wins or loses. BUT, I believe they bring that on themselves. If either side had outscored the other sufficiently, you wouldn't need to put the game's balance in the hands (or foot) of the kicker. So suck it up, princess and next time blow the other team away.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And a lot of people don't seem to notice or care that one of the reasons your Mannings, Bradys and Brees of the world become what they are while the Jason Campbells and Brady Quinns of the world become what they are is the ability to set a routine. Not the only one I grant you. But it's much easier to excel in one steady system than to be constantly learning new stuff over and over. That's a key factor in me not knowing what I think of my quarterback. <strong>I want to see him doing the same thing over multiple years</strong> before I declare that he can't be The Guy. As such I am against making any meaningful QB move until at least next year. If we don't get some stability we're never going to amount to anything regardless of how many gaudy baubles we draft in April or sign through free agency. And I need multiple years of McCoy doing the same thing before I'm comfortable with the idea he and the answer are two different things.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You might be one of the few. Most people (including most people whose jobs depend on it) aren't willing to give him 3 years in the same system to "see what happens". Their contracts are only 3-5 years long and the axe is always hovering above them. Not everyone has the luxury Aaron Rodgers had and not everyone can come in and be lights out like Cam or Matt Ryan. The problem often arises with rookie/young quarterbacks who wind up on teams that don't have a true #1 receiver. Luck won't have that problem but then again, neither did Kevin Kolb. At the beginning of last season, there were several occasions where Cam Newton, under pressure, just threw the ball in Steve Smith's general direction....and completed the pass. Colt would be a much better quarterback if he had someone to throw it to. But the Browns are so fixated on bringing another doe-eyed kid in to play quarterback that they'll never use a high enough pick to get the kind of receiver ANY quarterback is going to need to succeed in this league nowadays.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There have been QB's in the past that have overcome weak Offensive Lines (see Jim Plunkett). Granted that was after he left the Patriots but you can still overcome it. Heck look at Eli, he was getting sacked left and right at the start of his career and he is now a proven winner. It depends on the make up of the QB.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And you can't be sure of that makeup until said quarterback has taken some shots in the mouth. I'm not saying Luck isn't a good player. But many good players at his position have not panned out. And if you're going back to Jim Plunkett (who played in a completely different league than the one of today), that's a bit much. I'll give you a better example: Ben Roethlisberger. He has NEVER played behind a particularly good line and he won Super Bowl XL behind the worst O-line in Super Bowl history (by the numbers).</p><p> </p><p> Oh and most of Eli's problems in his first two years were self-inflicted (as he himself has admitted on several occasions). He held the ball too long because he didn't really trust his receivers. Nowadays, he makes his line look a helluva lot better than it is (didn't the whole starting five make the Pro Bowl in 2010?) because he gets that ball out ASAP.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Plus it is not like the Colts were all that great when Peyton got there. Bottom line is we will not know until a couple of years down the line. Say they do tee off on him due to the weak Offensive Line, it will depend on his psyche if he will over come it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well yeah, the Colts weren't very good when Peyton got there. That's why they had the #1 overall pick. I'm not saying Luck isn't a good player. But people are anointing him the second coming of, well, the guy he's expected to replace, and I don't think you can do that. The expectations are way too high and he's not likely to be able to meet them. The way they're hyping this kid, if he doesn't win the Super Bowl in his rookie year, people are going to question his makeup. They're going to compare his rookie year to Cam Newton's ("Well, Cam had a worse team and look how well he did"), ignoring the fact that Cam had a potent running game supporting him (unless they hit the lottery in round 2-7, the Colts won't) and a defense that turned out a lot better than expected.</p><p> </p><p> Basically, I don't buy the messiah stories people weave around 1st round QBs. More often than not, they're busts (from Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf on down). Go back 10 years and you'll see that's the case.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Found this article on Yahoo, <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/pat-robertson-believes-peyton-manning-hurt-142935112.html" rel="external nofollow">I knew Pat Robertson was a nutbag but this takes the cake. I am not sure how people could take this guy seriously.</a> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Found this article on Yahoo, <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/pat-robertson-believes-peyton-manning-hurt-142935112.html" rel="external nofollow">I knew Pat Robertson was a nutbag but this takes the cake. I am not sure how people could take this guy seriously.</a></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What he says is pretty much correct and remember, I'm a Broncos fan. Look, you have a young quarterback that you want to develop. You just signed pretty much the best quarterback in the business. Who better for that young quarterback to learn from? No one would begrudge them starting Peyton over Tebow. No one with a brain, at least. Seeing how Peyton prepares, how he goes about his business, and how well he plays the quarterback position is bound to HELP the young quarterback you're developing. The young quarterback with experience running a team and winning in the playoffs. In this league, you NEED more than one competent quarterback to be successful. That is especially true when you consider Peyton's precarious physical condition. So now you dump the accomplished young quarterback so you can start from scratch trying to groom a successor to Peyton? They're not drafting a QB in the first three rounds so anyone they get will either be mildly talented or (if they're extremely fortunate) the second coming of Tom Brady (pick #199, remember). Which result is more likely?</p><p> </p><p> I didn't think it was a good idea to dump Tebow for the reasons they did (he's popular, he's unconventional, he needs work) and God forbid, if Peyton gets hurt, the Broncos' season is over (at least until Peyton returns). We have too many holes on offense (center, guard, receiver depth, quarterback depth, running back) and defense (how old are our corners again? Why do we start two strong safeties? Where's the speed in the front seven aside from Von? Who's replacing Bunkley?) to justify taking one of the top quarterbacks (basically Ryan Tannehill or old ass Brandon Wheeden) unless they drop precipitously. I'm not even going to consider Caleb Hanie since he's third string material, nothing more, nothing less.</p><p> </p><p> I don't wish anything bad on Peyton but I think the organization made a mistake in dealing Tebow for the equivalent of magic beans and pocket lint.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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