The Official MMA Discussion Thread

[lr10540]

So OneFC will be premiering a new anti- weightcut system as a 'bigger' company. This is great news. UFC will be watching with great interest i assume. It's weird that weight class choice will be left to the company, which is a dangerous thing longterm. A pitfall is not to have too much tests so fighters drown in it. But just having the weighins hours before the fight is good. Whether fights get cancelled the day before or hours before due to negligeance doesnt matter to most. In will also kill the idiotic metagame of cutting weight, which has nothing to do with the actual game.

 

As for the corruptness: i get it from Dana's position, but if it becomes public, it will knock out the sport despite its ancient roots. We might see it if Dana becomes desperate. He still believes it will become the dominant sport in this lifetime. That wont happen and frustration might strike. He wants his American McGregor and will seek it out like a medieval knight looking for 'some chalice'.

 

I like the idea for the health of the fighters. I don't like that it basically takes away from the potential for super fights. The other issue I can see is moving up or down a division. Once you see all the "money" matches, there won't be much of a point to pay attention to a division until there's change at the top. If you lose a couple of fights, you're done unless you can move weight. Now that appears out of question too.

[Blackman]

The article I read does mention that catchweight bouts would be emphasized more. And given they know ahead of time who they face, they can adequately prepare.

[Blackman]

One almost forgets that Fedor is fighting tomorrow in Japan. That said, he's fighting a can - but then again, who on that card isn't? - but it'd still be interesting to see imo. There's also some familiar names, and some freakshow woman in the light heavyweight division. I'm missing a midget fight, and David vs Goliath. In a way, the Fedor fight is exactly that, but not in the traditional sense.

[MrSelfDestruct]

as a guy who had one torn ACL, I respect Dominick Cruz so much its ridiculous. Guy is amazing

[lr10540]

I don't think there would be much opposition for Dominick Cruz as the p4p #1 if he could stay healthy. His striking technique is amazing. He's so crisp and precise. His footwork is impossible to describe. His ability to not get hit, while at the same time throwing a 2 or 3 strike combo is a treat to watch. His mental game is almost unmatched with the way he refuses to show damage inside the rounds. Last but not least, his wrestling is top notch. Took down one of the best in the sport multiple times.

 

What's most amazing is his ability to make top notch, great fighters look incredibly ordinary. You definitely see the difference when he fights somebody that isn't top ranked, as he destroys them. Cruz is so good.

[MrSelfDestruct]

I think you're jumping the gun on that a bit.. Same argument could be made for Mighty Mouse with that logic. Guy is so good he makes good fighters look bad, but to be fair he doesnt have the level of competition. Dom had two fights in recent years doesnt need to be p4p king, not to mention he isn't, Jones is and IMO always will be. Guy has never come close to losing, and I LOVE Dom. If he gets 2 title defences this year he may be in that discussion. not to mention he barely squeaked by Dillashaw, I had him winning 1,2, and 3

[lr10540]

I think you're jumping the gun on that a bit.. Same argument could be made for Mighty Mouse with that logic. Guy is so good he makes good fighters look bad, but to be fair he doesnt have the level of competition. Dom had two fights in recent years doesnt need to be p4p king, not to mention he isn't, Jones is and IMO always will be. Guy has never come close to losing, and I LOVE Dom. If he gets 2 title defences this year he may be in that discussion. not to mention he barely squeaked by Dillashaw, I had him winning 1,2, and 3

 

Cruz has beaten Mighty Mouse.

 

As far as Cruz being the #1 p4p, I said if he could stay healthy. I wouldn't say he squeaked by Dillashaw. Only rounds I though TJ won was the 4th and 5th. He couldn't touch Cruz. He was the aggressor, but in no way was he controlling the fight. Cruz took him down every time he shot it, and slipped away from nearly every exchange unscathed.

 

Bones is no doubt the best right now. He, Cruz and Johnson are all on the same plane of making the top contenders look like scrubs. Only Dodson came close to dethroning Mighty Mouse, and he got slaughtered in the rematch. Only Gus has come close to beating Bones, and Bones still won that pretty easily I thought.

 

Conor is about to be the GOAT though! Lol

[MrSelfDestruct]

Cruz has beaten Mighty Mouse.

 

As far as Cruz being the #1 p4p, I said if he could stay healthy. I wouldn't say he squeaked by Dillashaw. Only rounds I though TJ won was the 4th and 5th. He couldn't touch Cruz. He was the aggressor, but in no way was he controlling the fight. Cruz took him down every time he shot it, and slipped away from nearly every exchange unscathed.

 

Bones is no doubt the best right now. He, Cruz and Johnson are all on the same plane of making the top contenders look like scrubs. Only Dodson came close to dethroning Mighty Mouse, and he got slaughtered in the rematch. Only Gus has come close to beating Bones, and Bones still won that pretty easily I thought.

 

Conor is about to be the GOAT though! Lol

 

Squeaked as in even the round he won were close. Yes he beat Mighty Mouse like 4 years ago lol

 

Idk I put Jones on a different level because he fought already established competition and finished them and hasn't shown much weakness.. I mean Mighty Mouse and Cruz are fast, but they don't do a lot of damage and not to mention they are fighting guys in still developing divisions, nobody is all that proven as an ELITE bantamweight/flyweight.They really need to build some stars in these divisions.. Yes Cruz knocked out Mizugaki, but that's not how he going to fight title fights. That's all I mean. They control the fight but to claim dominance is odd when mainly what they do is focus on not getting hit, but if you cant follow that up with anything significant I see you as a point fighter.

 

Can't wait for Bones to smash Cormier lol, and I honestly have doubts for Conor vs RDA. I think RDA is a new breed these days looks untouchable. The issue is one guy got there by decimating victories and vast improvement, and the other got there via running his mouth and got one big win. I mean I love McGregor but I think they may have jumped the gun here, should have had him fight Frankie first

[lr10540]

Squeaked as in even the round he won were close. Yes he beat Mighty Mouse like 4 years ago lol

 

Idk I put Jones on a different level because he fought already established competition and finished them and hasn't shown much weakness.. I mean Mighty Mouse and Cruz are fast, but they don't do a lot of damage and not to mention they are fighting guys in still developing divisions, nobody is all that proven as an ELITE bantamweight/flyweight.They really need to build some stars in these divisions.. Yes Cruz knocked out Mizugaki, but that's not how he going to fight title fights. That's all I mean. They control the fight but to claim dominance is odd when mainly what they do is focus on not getting hit, but if you cant follow that up with anything significant I see you as a point fighter.

 

Can't wait for Bones to smash Cormier lol, and I honestly have doubts for Conor vs RDA. I think RDA is a new breed these days looks untouchable. The issue is one guy got there by decimating victories and vast improvement, and the other got there via running his mouth and got one big win. I mean I love McGregor but I think they may have jumped the gun here, should have had him fight Frankie first

 

He definitely should've fought Frankie. I was really hoping that would've been the fight UFC chose instead of the Mendes fight. I think Frankie is going to be his most difficult fight in his division.

 

I look at RDA and see him fighting right into Conor's style. Conor is a solid counter striker with a good chin. RDA, from what I've seen anyway, tends to try to push the tempo and stay in your face. I think Conor will catch him with some good shots if that happens.

[Kingster]

Edit: I deleted the link because Jon Jones' recent traffic misdemeanor most likely doesn't affect his probation and thus doesn't effect his title fight against Daniel Cormier. Which means that it's just gossip at this point and I don't think we should talk about it in this thread.

[Blackman]

And CM Punk's having surgery. He's sure taking his time preparing for the fight. But I guess that's a good thing. People are hyping it way too much for what it's worth. He's just a popular - over - guy who wants to try his hand at MMA. That's it. I doubt he's going to carve a career in MMA. Win or lose.

[K-Nection]

Good god the man is going to hit the 2 year mark before he gets his first fight....I'm amped to see him fight but I'm not holding high expectations due to his age.

[Kingster]

Don't get too amped to see him fight. 99 out of 100 times Mickey Gall is going to finish him early in the first round.

[crownsy]

And CM Punk's having surgery. He's sure taking his time preparing for the fight. But I guess that's a good thing. People are hyping it way too much for what it's worth. He's just a popular - over - guy who wants to try his hand at MMA. That's it. I doubt he's going to carve a career in MMA. Win or lose.

 

My prediction is he never fights. He's more useful to White as a guy he can run out there as a media prop then a 0-1 fighter. I predict in a year or so, he'll say "I wanted to, but my body let me down!" and move onto the next part of his career, whatever that is going to be.

[Blackman]

Plus he can hype Gall as the one that Punk was too scared to fight. Not openly, of course, but the standard MMA "fan" will assume it, and he gets free pop on the spot.

[MrSelfDestruct]

anyone else watching the documentary on Kimbo?

[Blackman]

It couldn't have been any more interesting than the fight itself. Thank god I just saw the highlights on sherdog.

 

It was Kimbo and his opponent walking around like zombies, followed by Shamrock getting kneed in the balls. An amazing event, no doubt.

 

Yes, I liked the Pride days. The atmosphere was a big part of it all. Big-ass arenas with excited people. THIS... was embarrassing on so many levels.

[BHK1978]

It couldn't have been any more interesting than the fight itself. Thank god I just saw the highlights on sherdog.

 

It was Kimbo and his opponent walking around like zombies, followed by Shamrock getting kneed in the balls. An amazing event, no doubt.

 

Yes, I liked the Pride days. The atmosphere was a big part of it all. Big-ass arenas with excited people. THIS... was embarrassing on so many levels.

 

Nah that Kimbo fight was a classic...classically bad. I do have to admit laughing over how bad it was for three rounds.

 

The funny thing is I haven't watched any MMA in probably a good six months. My buddy told me Shamrock was fighting Gracie and I thought he was joking. When I realized he was not I watched the show and it was...not very good. The best part probably was when they had Mike Tyson doing commentary.

[Celuwyn]

It couldn't have been any more interesting than the fight itself. Thank god I just saw the highlights on sherdog.

 

It was Kimbo and his opponent walking around like zombies, followed by Shamrock getting kneed in the balls. An amazing event, no doubt.

 

Yes, I liked the Pride days. The atmosphere was a big part of it all. Big-ass arenas with excited people. THIS... was embarrassing on so many levels.

 

At least, freak match like Big nog vs Bob Sapp entertain us. or Zulu vs Fedor, it was quick with lot of drama in the two ! (maybe more hong man choi vs fedor)

[Celuwyn]

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[Blackman]

Super Fight League 1/2 were bad too, but it was a good laugh. This would probably have been boring to watch. You know they won't get a second wind, so you just bear through it I guess?

 

The thing is... ratings. It was the best watched show of them ever I heard. And people will watch again for another Kimbo match, I'm sure, even if this one was bad. Just like everyone will watch CM Punk's second match, if there is ever one.

 

As for Silva vs Bisping: I don't know who the biggest clown of the match was, Silva or Herb Dean. I almost though Brad was on commentary, but he kinda looks a little like Dan Hardy if I recall correctly.

[MrSelfDestruct]

NATE DIAZ (you know the rest..)

 

I didn't think he could do it. Conor wasn't smart to shoot a takedown but he didnt wanna be knocked out..

[Celuwyn]

Good match. I'm a Conor fan but i'm also a Diaz fan, no problem for me

 

Nate took a LOT of punishment in the first round, Diaz chin baby.

[gingerdilligaf]

What annoys me with Conor Mcgregor is him acting like a premier league footballer constantly on about how much money he earns. Guys like Sage Northcutt turn up livin 4 the hype then tap fast so its actually good the Conor bandwagon is derailed. Maybe now we can focus on the heart before the hype again & not respect guys like Mcgregor who say its all about how much they earn. Its been a funny year or so in ufc coz it seems all the fighters who believed the hype have lost focus & lost fights

[Blackman]

Sure, but having the hype was a good thing. Now the circus is over and they can all get back2business. The bad thing is that McGregor will be defending with a loss, which is really awkward (and would be quite a dud in WMMA4). But the promoted fighters will be coming back and they can still profit from the marketing.

 

The title fights were great and it's good all divisions are shaken up now, with Jones/DC coming up. Gone are the times with seemingly 'invincible' champions.