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[Celuwyn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Synticha" data-cite="Synticha" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>At the moment it is believed that he'll return in May 2017.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He should have retired after his win</p>

[Blackman]

He should have retired after his win

 

Yeah. He of all people should know the money fight is the coming-out-of-retirement-bouts. What does retirement really mean anyway?

 

I do believe Miesha's retirement was a right decision. The younger people have been above her level for a long while, though she did manage some big wins.

[Celuwyn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah. He of all people should know the money fight is the coming-out-of-retirement-bouts. What does retirement really mean anyway? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> I do believe Miesha's retirement was a right decision. The younger people have been above her level for a long while, though she did manage some big wins.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah. But if i recall, she said between round that she doesn't have the same "fire" for the sports, i think that's why she lost to Raquel</p>

[Blackman]

She lost mostly because her skill level isn't sufficient anymore. Her striking was never really gonna go somewhere, whereas the "new girls" have been training for years in good gyms. Eventually they were going to close the gap and some will no doubtly have surpassed her by now. Don't get me wrong: I love Miesha and what she did for the sport. Got some awesome fights in her career with comeback wins and all. But she wasn't that talented. She was just the best of the first generation and really deserved that title win. Too bad it was a short stint. She too realizes she'll never see the belt again. And without cashing in as much as Ronda: why bother if you don't have the fire anymore?

[Celuwyn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>She lost mostly because her skill level isn't sufficient anymore. Her striking was never really gonna go somewhere, whereas the "new girls" have been training for years in good gyms. Eventually they were going to close the gap and some will no doubtly have surpassed her by now. Don't get me wrong: I love Miesha and what she did for the sport. Got some awesome fights in her career with comeback wins and all. But she wasn't that talented. She was just the best of the first generation and really deserved that title win. Too bad it was a short stint. She too realizes she'll never see the belt again. And without cashing in as much as Ronda: why bother if you don't have the fire anymore?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And she now have a new job in the UFC, she is promoting fight and all the things</p>

[Blackman]

I can see her being on panels etc. She's done color commentating in the past at Invicta if I'm not mistaken, and it actually went pretty well imo.

[gingerdilligaf]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Celuwyn" data-cite="Celuwyn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No words on McGregor ? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If McGregor actually defended a title instead of running his mouth off & avoiding the true contenders he might get a lot more respect but seriously.....he knows a Mayweather fight aint gonna happen hes the ultimate blagger</p>

[Celuwyn]

If McGregor actually defended a title instead of running his mouth off & avoiding the true contenders he might get a lot more respect but seriously.....he knows a Mayweather fight aint gonna happen hes the ultimate blagger

 

Yeah, because beating Mendes, Aldo and Alvarez is not enough for you ? Even if Conor KO Khabib & Ferguson, you will find "another one" that conor "avoid"

[MrSelfDestruct]

Fight of the year last night, Doo Ho Schoi vs Cub Swanson

[gingerdilligaf]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Celuwyn" data-cite="Celuwyn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, because beating Mendes, Aldo and Alvarez is not enough for you ? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Even if Conor KO Khabib & Ferguson, you will find "another one" that conor "avoid"</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well u can love or hate McGregor i in the hate corner think he can fight standup but has no ground game. People love him for the hype he brings to ufc but his whole boxing challenge to Mayweather....good to see him hype up mma against boxing but its all his usual bollocks knowing it aint gonna happen</p>

[gingerdilligaf]

McGregor challenging Mayweather i mean seriously?Connor struggles after round 2 he would never last a 12 round fight

[Kingster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Celuwyn" data-cite="Celuwyn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, because beating Mendes, Aldo and Alvarez is not enough for you ? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Even if Conor KO Khabib & Ferguson, you will find "another one" that conor "avoid"</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Mendes had a short camp, the Aldo knockout was a fluke, Alvarez just didn't stick to his gameplan. And by the way, Diaz got robbed in their rematch. Conor obivously lucked out becoming a two-division champion. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[gingerdilligaf]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kingster" data-cite="Kingster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Mendes had a short camp, the Aldo knockout was a fluke, Alvarez just didn't stick to his gameplan. And by the way, Diaz got robbed in their rematch. Conor obivously lucked out becoming a two-division champion. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In my opinion Diaz beat Mcgregor twice though the 2nd fight was very close. He was always gonna beat Alvarez but my point was that McGregor will never be a champion until he defends his belt & he seems to run from challengers as he shouts his mouth off</p>

[Kingster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="gingerdilligaf" data-cite="gingerdilligaf" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>McGregor will never be a champion until he defends his belt</div></blockquote><p> Nope, that's not how it works. You beat the champion, you are the champion. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He seems to run from challengers as he shouts his mouth off</div></blockquote><p> Which challengers has he run from?</p>

[gingerdilligaf]

Well has he defended a belt yet?No?Simple point people seem to miss when they get caught up in his hype. He avoids anyone with a ground game.

[Blackman]

<p>So Velasquez has been pulled from the fight... again... UFC never seems to change. I don't get how - in these times where fighters only fight twice a year anyways - UFC doesn't do cards where only two weight classes fight. When someone pulls out, you have people you pay for a lower-card fight to replace them. I always did this in WMMA and guess what: my cards are no longer being decimated by injuries (what other players keep complaining about). Sure, it's not the high profile fight. But it's a fight nontheless. In the end, people pay to see someone fight or KO somebody. And against someone skilled you never know what happens.</p><p> </p><p>

Now - luckily - there's no feature in the game (yet) that allows fighters to moan that they've "trained for someone completely different" and don't want to sign for the replacement fight. Still, it's a step up from just nothing happening.</p>

[takerlives77]

<p>That sort of thing makes a lot of sense, especially for heavyweights but it could be argued that more weight classes on a card diversifies things and in the end hooks a bigger audience card by card. It's definitely a shame about Cain though, he's such a talent but there always seems to be something with him.</p><p> </p><p>

As for McGregor I look at him and think here's a guy who's killing it commercially so obviously UFC are protecting him but in my mind he's a guy that just wanted to make history and didn't give a damn about what that meant for him in the future. It's a shame too because MMA remembers the box office stars and the dominant champions. If he had focused on one weight class and became champion and defended it properly he could've been remembered as a true great. Granted, he still will be but I think the problem with him is he just loaded so much onto his plate and got too big. There's no way he can be a true dual division champion and a proper box office fighter. It's not possible. Now it's difficult to know who pulls the strings because UFC have given him so much power but I think personally he may want to fight guys the doubters think would ground and dominate him but he's clearly too valuable to take such fights. His legitimacy may well be tainted by his star power forever, both by his power to 'pick' fights and UFC's obvious desire to protect the cash cow. Shame. I choose not to look too much at his fights but at his conduct outside the octagon. He's ushered in a new era of legitimate fighting that informs everyone, not just those who try to emulate him. People can now make a name from choosing to be against the grain, not buying into this disrespectful behaviour but being more about the art of fighting itself. Additionally, a prime example of the other side is the prominence of the Diaz brothers these days, now I know they had their fans and both were successful fighters and popular with fans who liked their unique brand of trashtalking and charisma but I don't think you can tell me that Nick gets that payday without Connor forging the path. He's more or less Ric Flair in an amateur wrestling setting, not many can hang with him on the mic and the guys that have been great or even possibly better in the past (Sonnen) are way shadier in way worse ways than Connor is. </p><p> </p><p>

I think the guy's legacy is gonna manifest itself in so many more ways than just fighting but for now people pay to watch him so he can do whatever he wants.</p>

[Blackman]

<p>Quite frankly I think he "just doesn't give a f*ck" when it comes to his legacy. The guy cares about cold hard cash, and I don't blame him. What a small hardcore audience thinks of him doesn't matter to him. He'll be in the UFC hall of fame. He'll be rich. </p><p> </p><p>

It could be argued indeed that diversification is good, but from a personal standpoint: would you care? What's the difference between a welterweight fight and a lightweight fight? It's barely noticeable in terms of output. Heavyweights and bantamweights bring something different to the table, and women might draw female viewers, but in the end it doesn't matter much imo. Sure, I'd pass for a full heavyweight card and will be intrigued by a complete featherweight or women's flyweight card, but I assume others flip this.</p>

[Celuwyn]

<p>So, We have the inaugural featherweight women's champion in Germaine De Randamie.</p><p> </p><p>

As for the "late shot" I disagree. the first was really at the end of the combo, and the second she was totally stunned. Also, Big john told on Twitter that the bell is not for the fighter, but only a notification for the referee, it's the job of the referee to "stop" the fight, so if there's the bell but the referee do nothing, the fighter are still here for the fight !</p>

[Blackman]

<p>It was a bad attempt from fans to legitimize "their fighter" winning, as always.</p><p> </p><p>

As for the matchup: it was a desperate attempt from the UFC at creating a new face of the company. People who were somewhat knowledgeable about MMA already gave the edge to GDR (I don't know what the official odds were). The new UFC management seemed to presume Holly would just take the title, just like they thought Rousey would reclaim it as easily (though the MMA smarks knew it was a very bad matchup for her). I presume Cyborg is injured or suspended as it would've been a no-brainer to have the division created for her, not just some 135'ers they dragged from 135 (to call it cherry-picking is an overstatement).</p>

[Celuwyn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was a bad attempt from fans to legitimize "their fighter" winning, as always.<p> </p><p> As for the matchup: it was a desperate attempt from the UFC at creating a new face of the company. People who were somewhat knowledgeable about MMA already gave the edge to GDR (I don't know what the official odds were). The new UFC management seemed to presume Holly would just take the title, just like they thought Rousey would reclaim it as easily (though the MMA smarks knew it was a very bad matchup for her). I presume Cyborg is injured or suspended as it would've been a no-brainer to have the division created for her, not just some 135'ers they dragged from 135 (to call it cherry-picking is an overstatement).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cyborg is suspensed and she also refuse the match up before the suspension. Holm is a FRAUD to me</p>

[Blackman]

<p>Why is she a fraud? I like her and her style a lot, but she shouldn't have been in the matchup. If this was WMMA4, this card would suck bigtime... Holly's coming off a losing streak, and the Spider isn't doing so well either. Undeserving of the name "PPV". Should be 2.5% pop penalty. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Wonder what they'll do with her on a 3 fight losing streak. Probably feed her some can, except DeRandamie probably ate all those already.</p><p> </p><p>

Now they're throwing some other can at McMann, and she makes it to the main card as well. I'm all for equality and everything, but this is somewhat ridiculous, though it makes sense to promote McMann now that the division is bleeding talent (all the established stars will be or are already gone).</p>

[Celuwyn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why is she a fraud? I like her and her style a lot, but she shouldn't have been in the matchup. If this was WMMA4, this card would suck bigtime... Holly's coming off a losing streak, and the Spider isn't doing so well either. Undeserving of the name "PPV". Should be 2.5% pop penalty. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Wonder what they'll do with her on a 3 fight losing streak. Probably feed her some can, except DeRandamie probably ate all those already.</p><p> </p><p> Now they're throwing some other can at McMann, and she makes it to the main card as well. I'm all for equality and everything, but this is somewhat ridiculous, though it makes sense to promote McMann now that the division is bleeding talent (all the established stars will be or are already gone).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> She's a fraud because she doesn't belongs to the top level. It's clear that she can KO some girls, but at the high level of the sport, she can't do much. Heck, she sticked to the same gameplan against GDR for 3 rounds, while GDR countered her like it was a sparring fight. Remember that she got submitted by Miesha tate <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Blackman]

<p>I personally think it's hilarious that Rogan and co were laughing at Lavigne for stepping in immediately after the bell R2 during the Spider fight, like he was some sort of idiot, and then proceed to piss on Germaine's victory for her "use of post-bell strikes". If the ref would step in like that instead of just standing there, fans wouldn't be so agitated about it. If you don't like her, point your anger at the bookers. If you're as focused as some fighters are, you need visual cues to enforce that it's the end of the round. There's a difference between this, and Babalu who just held on to submissions on purpose, despite physical and auditive cues.</p><p> </p><p>

I get it's <em>frauduleux </em> to make her compete for a belt at a losing streak, but that doesn't make her a fraud imo. She's such a nice girl and doesn't deserve that label. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Blackman]

That post-fight speech from Lewis sure was something. One of THE best speeches ever in my memory.