The Official MMA Discussion Thread

[Kingster]

Sure, but having the hype was a good thing. Now the circus is over and they can all get back2business. The bad thing is that McGregor will be defending with a loss, which is really awkward (and would be quite a dud in WMMA4). But the promoted fighters will be coming back and they can still profit from the marketing.

 

The title fights were great and it's good all divisions are shaken up now, with Jones/DC coming up. Gone are the times with seemingly 'invincible' champions.

 

I don't think his hype is over just yet. He's the featherweight champion who went up two divisions on less than two weeks notice to fight at welterweight against a lightweight fighter.

He still has so many options. The next obvious fight for him would be him vs. Aldo or Edgar for the featherweight title at UFC 200. If he wins that fight and it's anything but a split decision, I think he's right back where he was before he lost to Nate Diaz as far as the hype about him is concerned.

He can still move up to lightweight (and if you look at how he looks when he weighs in at 145, he definitely should) and try for a run at the title there.

And why not move back up to welterweight after he's put together another nice winning streak in the lower divisions?

 

Unless Conor McGregor starts a losing streak now, he'll always be a huge draw. He's a marketing machine. He can talk like no one else and is a world class fighter. People will always want to see him fight, no matter what weight class and no matter that he lost one fight after a seven-fight win streak in the UFC.

 

As far as the women's bantamweight division: I think it's pretty intriguing now. Tate vs. Rousey 3 with the roles reversed is a fight I already can't wait to see. If Rousey wins that one, they have to do Rousey vs. Holm 2, which is another great fight and the fight the UFC obviously wanted to do in the first place. If Tate beats Rousey, there's a big chance that Ronda will retire.

If that happens, the division all of a sudden is wide open, even though there are very few fighters that can beat Miesha Tate.

[Dawn]

Tate is definitely the most deserving champion in the UFC today. She lives and breathes MMA, and this was a long time coming. I really hope she holds on to that belt for a long, long time. As for Conor vs. Diaz, why wasn't it for the title? I'm not really an UFC follower, so I have no idea why at all.

[Bigpapa42]

Tate is definitely the most deserving champion in the UFC today. She lives and breathes MMA, and this was a long time coming. I really hope she holds on to that belt for a long, long time. As for Conor vs. Diaz, why wasn't it for the title? I'm not really an UFC follower, so I have no idea why at all.

 

The fight actually took place at welterweight. McGregor is the featherweight champ. He was moving up to lightweight to fight Dos Anjos, but an injury scrapped the fight. Diaz stepped up but he couldn't make 155 on short notice, so it took place at 170.

[Blackman]

Unless Conor McGregor starts a losing streak now, he'll always be a huge draw. He's a marketing machine. He can talk like no one else and is a world class fighter. People will always want to see him fight, no matter what weight class and no matter that he lost one fight after a seven-fight win streak in the UFC.

 

Of course. I said they will still profit from the previous marketing done, but the hype train has derailed. No doubt about that. But he will obviously retain his pop somewhat. They obviously thought he was going to win with Diaz not taking the short notice seriously (my observation, not fact). They will present this as a special "grudge" fight that had no impact on his momentum, but it did.

 

As far as the women's bantamweight division: I think it's pretty intriguing now. Tate vs. Rousey 3 with the roles reversed is a fight I already can't wait to see. If Rousey wins that one, they have to do Rousey vs. Holm 2, which is another great fight and the fight the UFC obviously wanted to do in the first place. If Tate beats Rousey, there's a big chance that Ronda will retire.

If that happens, the division all of a sudden is wide open, even though there are very few fighters that can beat Miesha Tate.

 

And meanwhile Cat is still waiting and waiting for a match. I feel for her. Big props to Miesha's skills and her heart, but there's quite a few who'd be able to defeat her. Trust me. By the time they get to her at least. Most of her wins come from lack of experience from her opponents (as opposed to pure skill differences). Miesha's just another proof that it's mostly about hard work and determination, and less about that elusive concept of "talent".

 

Did anyone else feel like the big presentation of the coming months felt like it took a page from "Sports Entertainment"? I'm sure many purists will hate that. But then again: purists probably didn't watch that anyway, as marketing activities are pointless to them anyway. Good for UFC that they're evolving as a company and start putting up these things. It will increase anticipation for the fights. One may claim it's "ridiculous" and "insulting" to the sport, but such claims are idiotic as these "promos" have nothing to do with the actual fighting and the preparation other than the fact that they take away a potential early training day. Will the same people condemn Djokovic for joking around during the breaks? If Silva wants to act the clown and get knocked out, that's his loss (literaly), but the majority takes the fighting quite serious still.

 

As for the other Silva (Erick). What a dirty move going into the fight. I'm pretty sure he's done with UFC now. No point in keeping him around. After the roids thing he just kept losing, which kind of speaks for itself. I'm sure other companies will sign them, like what happens with most rulebenders.

[Celuwyn]

Tate is definitely the most deserving champion in the UFC today. She lives and breathes MMA, and this was a long time coming.

 

True. Tate was a wrestling machine back in the day, no striking, only takedown. She evolved so much..

 

Blackman, Cat Zingano is really in your mind

[Blackman]

Well she IS my favorite fighter for reasons unknown to man. Somehow - way before women were allowed in the UFC - she came off as most impressive. The way she finished fights... Ronda might've been even more impressive, but it was predictable. Cat is way more unpredictable, meaning more fun to watch. I'm a little frustrated she gets so few fights. I would like to see a Holm matchup, but now I'd rather see a Tate II matchup, but you honestly can't pair her up with Tate now after being inactive for so long. It's true she is "on my mind", but quite frankly she's on nobody else's mind which is quite off-putting.

[Kingster]

Yeah, Cat Zingano should get another crack at the title if Miesha remains champion having already beaten her, but she should win another fight first. I'd like to see her fight Holly Holm.

 

As far as the big press conference before Friday's weigh-ins: I think this is the Conor McGregor effect. Everyone saw how far he went with his trash talk and how much money he earns as a result, so they're all trying to do the same.

All of a sudden, Weidman and Rockhold hate each other (why are they even fighting again? Rockhold beat the living hell out of him.), same with DJ and Cejudo. And some of these exchanges were so childish, it was embarrassing to watch. It just all felt so forced.

[MrSelfDestruct]

just got Fight Pass and I'm going back to PRIDE 1! lets do this

[Capelli King]

I am happy Meisha won the title. I felt she out fought Holm in this fight, she also showed a very good improvement in her stand up, enough to keep Holm tentative.

 

As for Conor, he did not respect his opponent it seems, he had his hands down way too much against a very good boxer and ended up paying. I think this has created a serious matchup problem for the UFC. I mean you cannot give Conor a fight for the 155lbs title any more, it makes no sense because he frankly does not deserve holding 2 titles when he just lost a non title fight at 170lbs.

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Capelli King" data-cite="Capelli King" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>it makes no sense because he frankly does not deserve holding 2 titles when he just lost a non title fight at 170lbs.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just the fact that he lost a fight tout court. These things are normally only for people who cleared out the division.</p><p> </p><p> Dana is shooting on Holm for not waiting for the Ronda rematch, but honestly he himself did some moronic booking, it seems. You gotta respect that fighters just want to fight. The casual crowd is done with the Irishman. He lost a non-title fight. Not everyone is eager to see him defend it.</p>

[Kingster]

Just the fact that he lost a fight tout court. These things are normally only for people who cleared out the division.

 

Dana is shooting on Holm for not waiting for the Ronda rematch, but honestly he himself did some moronic booking, it seems. You gotta respect that fighters just want to fight. The casual crowd is done with the Irishman. He lost a non-title fight. Not everyone is eager to see him defend it.

 

Yeah, he's blasting Holly's manager for pushing for a quick turn-around after her title win, while at the same time praising McGregor for doing the same. He's also praised Liddell and Rousey several times for taking fights in quick succession. Dana White is so obviously playing favourites.

 

On another note: I just read that Kimbo Slice popped positive for PED's in that circus fight against Dada 5000 (Ken Shamrock, too, by the way). Imagine Dada had actually died (luckily he didn't). Bellator and Slice would've been in huge trouble and the whole sport could have been in jeopardy. Commissions need to stop sanctioning fights between out-of-shape forty-somethings.

[Blackman]

He is playing favorites and if he's not paying attention, he's going to shoot his own leg. Why isn't he promoting the hell out of the Diaz brothers? He's too damn proud for that because they used to laugh in his face, albeit not intentionally. They are such entertaining characters. I've had quite a few laughs with their antics and their quotes. More fun than any other fighter. They also remain classy after the fight, whereas the "good guys" cry and leave the cage early.

 

His line of thought is surprisingly linear for a trailblazer in a new sport. He only seems to think about money and can't grasp another perspective. Almost sounds like a bitter, bitter man.

[Celuwyn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He is playing favorites and if he's not paying attention, he's going to shoot his own leg. Why isn't he promoting the hell out of the Diaz brothers? He's too damn proud for that because they used to laugh in his face, albeit not intentionally. They are such entertaining characters. I've had quite a few laughs with their antics and their quotes. More fun than any other fighter. They also remain classy after the fight, whereas the "good guys" cry and leave the cage early.<p> </p><p> His line of thought is surprisingly linear for a trailblazer in a new sport. He only seems to think about money and can't grasp another perspective. Almost sounds like a bitter, bitter man.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But, but.. Money rule the world !</p><p> </p><p> Seriously, it was bad luck for Dana. Imagine if Conor won the match, and then defeat RDA ? We would all be saying "What a genius !"</p><p> As for shooting his own legs, i don't think so. There is NO opposition to the UFC. And don't talk about Bellator with their.. KIMBO SLICE VS DADA.</p><p> The UFC can do what they want.</p>

[Blackman]

I'm not talking in relative terms, at least not for other MMA orgs. It will just hinder the sport's progression. You all saw how Rousey helped it progress. But then again, we all saw PRIDE flourish as well. They also kind of played favorites.

[Capelli King]

But, but.. Money rule the world !

 

Seriously, it was bad luck for Dana. Imagine if Conor won the match, and then defeat RDA ? We would all be saying "What a genius !"

As for shooting his own legs, i don't think so. There is NO opposition to the UFC. And don't talk about Bellator with their.. KIMBO SLICE VS DADA.

The UFC can do what they want.

 

Rizzin could become the new Pride FC. I highly doubt it, but they have the old owners in place and it has a similar feel to it. They also have an interesting setup, as they are affiliated to multiple orgs internationally. Lets see, but they have a long way to go, that is for sure.

[MrSelfDestruct]

UFC 2 anyone? xbox one

[gingerdilligaf]

UFC 2 anyone? xbox one

 

Ps4 unfortunately

[bestbitter]

Just got UFC Fight Pass. Can people recommend good events/matches to watch? Cheers.

[MrSelfDestruct]

Just got UFC Fight Pass. Can people recommend good events/matches to watch? Cheers.

 

seasons of tuf are fun. PRIDE is good, look at the collections section if you are looking for great matchups, there are some good collections there. All depends what you like, Im one who i cant watch the same fight twice within like a year lol

[Celuwyn]

<p>Diaz vs Conor II at WW for UFC 200</p><p>

Edgar vs Aldo for the interim FW title at UFC 200 too.</p><p> </p><p>

Regardless of the result of Diaz/Conor, Conor will defend the FW belt against the winner of Edgar/Aldo.</p><p> </p><p>

But.. why for the Interim Title ?</p><p> </p><p>

I got Conor and Edgar</p>

[Kingster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bestbitter" data-cite="bestbitter" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just got UFC Fight Pass. Can people recommend good events/matches to watch? Cheers.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Don't know about good events. In the end it's single fights that matter to me. </p><p> </p><p> I'm only following mma since about 2013, so my favourite fights are mostly from that point onwards and there are certainly more great fights from before that that I've forgotten or don't know off. But off the top of my head, the following are some of my favourite fights. </p><p> </p><p> Forrest Griffin vs. Stephan Bonnar - TUF 1 Finale</p><p> George St. Pierre vs. Johny Hendricks - UFC 167</p><p> Jon Jones vs. Alexander Gustafsson - UFC 165</p><p> Andrei Arlovski vs. Travis Browne - UFC 191</p><p> Robbie Lawler vs. Rory MacDonald - UFC 189</p><p> Robbie Lawler vs. Carlos Condit - UFC 195</p><p> Ronda Rousey vs. Holly Holm - UFC 193</p><p> Anderson Silva vs. Chris Weidman - UFC 162</p><p> Chris Weidman vs. Anderson Silva - UFC 168</p><p> Renan Barao vs. TJ Dillashaw - UFC 173</p><p> </p><p> I can also recommend the Ultimate Knockouts and Ultimate Submissons collections. They are fun to watch and include fights from the very early days up to today (or whenever they were produced). </p><p> As mentioned, if you're looking for specific fighters, the fightography is what you're looking for.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Celuwyn" data-cite="Celuwyn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Diaz vs Conor II at WW for UFC 200<p> Edgar vs Aldo for the interim FW title at UFC 200 too.</p><p> </p><p> Regardless of the result of Diaz/Conor, Conor will defend the FW belt against the winner of Edgar/Aldo.</p><p> </p><p> But.. why for the Interim Title ?</p><p> </p><p> I got Conor and Edgar</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why would it not be for the interim title? Stripping Conor of the belt when it was just 3.5 months since he won it, would make no sense. </p><p> </p><p> I'm not a big fan of interim belts, you're either the best in your division or you're not. What it does, though, and what I like about it is that it keeps track of who the #1 contender is. So, if Edgar wins, the UFC has to give him the title fight that he's so long been asking for.</p>

[Celuwyn]

Well, make that fight a #1 contender match, that's all, not a fight for the interim belt

[Kingster]

Well, make that fight a #1 contender match, that's all, not a fight for the interim belt

 

I see what you meant now. I thought you were riding the popular "Conor needs to vacate the belt if he's fighting in another division" bandwagon.

[Celuwyn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kingster" data-cite="Kingster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I see what you meant now. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I thought you were riding the popular "Conor needs to vacate the belt if he's fighting in another division" bandwagon.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He's not the only one to have done this and he will not be the last, so..</p><p> </p><p> I think the UFC is trying to hype us, like "look ! that fight is for the belt"</p>

[Blackman]

Trying but failing. Those interim belts started out as an ok idea, but these things are pointless really. The more belts, the more viewers you farm I guess?