CGC: On With The Show [8RoW]

Self · August 12, 2013

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Opening Video Package... B-

BOBBY THOMAS VS RICKY DECOLT... C-

Adrian Garcia Promo... C+

THE ELITE VS POISON, SEEKER & NELSON... C-

Golden Profile: Dan DaLay... B-

RYAN POWELL VS WHIPPY THE CLOWN... C-

Bobby Wants Payment... D+

Iron Price... C-

GARGANTUAN VS CHRISTIAN PRICE ... D

SOLDIERS OF FORTUNE VS ZEUS & STEVIE... C-

Trent Shaffer Promo... B-

TRENT SHAFFER VS JACK DECOLT... C-

Countdown to DaLay vs DeColt... C+

DAN DALAY VS ALEX DECOLT... B-

<div style="text-align:center;">FINAL RATING... B-</div>

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Had some time this morning, and I wanted to see how predictable my card was.

DAN DALAY VS ALEX DECOLT (92% predicted correctly)

BOBBY THOMAS VS RICKY DECOLT (85% predicted correctly)

TRENT SHAFFER VS JACK DECOLT (77% predicted correctly)

GARGANTUAN VS CHRISTIAN PRICE (62% predicted correctly)

SOLDIERS OF FORTUNE VS ZEUS & STEVIE (50% predicted correctly)

RYAN POWELL VS WHIPPY THE CLOWN (38% predicted correctly)

Final Rate: 67% predicted correctly

Disappointing how my main event headline match was the most predictable. Granted, you’re ‘smart’ TEW fans, but I didn’t make you believe DaLay might win, and that’s a failure.

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Another exciting episode of CGC Title Bout Wrestling is coming soon (probably Thursday, which will be my regular day for posting the television shows) but nothing has been announced so far. So no predictions, but a question.

<div style="text-align:center;">Who do you want to see featured on the Golden Profile next?

Gargantuan. Nate Johnson. Sean Deeley. Ricky DeColt. Trent Shaffer.</div>

Phantom Stranger · August 12, 2013

Gargantuan.

Jingo · August 12, 2013

Really enjoy the Golden Profiles, a great idea. It's time for a Gargantuan profile now he's the Canadian Champ.

Big Roguey · August 12, 2013

Gargantuan.

Midnightnick · August 12, 2013

Nate Johnson

Regis · August 12, 2013

Trent Shaffer.

Voeltzwagon · August 12, 2013

Shooter Sean Deeley

Regis · August 12, 2013

Also, as for the DeColt/DaLay match being predictable, that just proves that your booking was sensible. Like you say, we're smarks. We'd have bought the PPV, watched the match, cheered the hero and booed the villain, and loved every second of it. We know that DaLay isn't good enough to carry your promotion, especially not when the DeColts are around to do it for him. Still, the fact is that you built to a good match, and that always counts for something.

Prediction contests will usually end up with a consensus one way or another. Most of the time, it's right unless there's a swerve in the works. Also, the fact remains that if you went to most of the marks of the C-verse and asked them who they thought was going to win, I reckon most of them would have picked Alex DeColt. "Hey, he's Alex DeColt! He always thinks of something, right?"

The booker can keep both parties strong, but ultimately, the only people who are going to make us believe that either man could win are the workers in the ring. If we watched the match, we might well have been on the edge of our seats when Dan hit the Backfist. Of course, the match is fictional and we read it rather than seeing it, so it doesn't have the same impact. So it goes. You did your job well.

Swagger · August 13, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Regis" data-cite="Regis" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35210" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also, as for the DeColt/DaLay match being predictable, that just proves that your booking was sensible. Like you say, we're smarks. We'd have bought the PPV, watched the match, cheered the hero and booed the villain, and loved every second of it. We know that DaLay isn't good enough to carry your promotion, especially not when the DeColts are around to do it for him. Still, the fact is that you built to a good match, and that always counts for something. Prediction contests will usually end up with a consensus one way or another. Most of the time, it's right unless there's a swerve in the works. Also, the fact remains that if you went to most of the marks of the C-verse and asked them who they thought was going to win, I reckon most of them would have picked Alex DeColt. "Hey, he's Alex DeColt! He always thinks of something, right?" The booker can keep both parties strong, but ultimately, the only people who are going to make us believe that either man could win are the workers in the ring. If we watched the match, we might well have been on the edge of our seats when Dan hit the Backfist. Of course, the match is fictional and we read it rather than seeing it, so it doesn't have the same impact. So it goes. You did your job well.</div></blockquote> This. 100% this.

March · August 13, 2013

Trent Shaffer

Self · August 13, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Regis" data-cite="Regis" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35210" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also, as for the DeColt/DaLay match being predictable, that just proves that your booking was sensible. Like you say, we're smarks. We'd have bought the PPV, watched the match, cheered the hero and booed the villain, and loved every second of it. We know that DaLay isn't good enough to carry your promotion, especially not when the DeColts are around to do it for him. Still, the fact is that you built to a good match, and that always counts for something. Prediction contests will usually end up with a consensus one way or another. Most of the time, it's right unless there's a swerve in the works. Also, the fact remains that if you went to most of the marks of the C-verse and asked them who they thought was going to win, I reckon most of them would have picked Alex DeColt. "Hey, he's Alex DeColt! He always thinks of something, right?" The booker can keep both parties strong, but ultimately, the only people who are going to make us believe that either man could win are the workers in the ring. If we watched the match, we might well have been on the edge of our seats when Dan hit the Backfist. Of course, the match is fictional and we read it rather than seeing it, so it doesn't have the same impact. So it goes. You did your job well.</div></blockquote> I guess. I should probably accept that the people who read this have that "sensible booking" mentality. So much inside knowledge backing up their predictions. I've never been a massive fan of prediction contests anyway. I've always felt "who do you want to win?" was a more valuable question, in order to learn which characters were connecting with the readers. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jingo" data-cite="Jingo" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35210" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Really enjoy the Golden Profiles, a great idea. It's time for a Gargantuan profile now he's the Canadian Champ.</div></blockquote> The Golden Profile idea started in my old FCK diary as a text-friendly replacement for hype videos. On TV, you can get across the feel for a character with music, clips, moves, editing etc. Can't do that in the written form. But you can get across a complex backstory fairly quickly. Mostly, I just like writing them. They make me think about the characters more than any other segment. Perfect example is Christian Price. I had zero idea who he was until I forced myself to write his profile (which I only did thanks to an innocuous comment from Dragonmack). He was just a guy who did uppercuts. He's now one of my favourite characters. Hopefully this voting can help me get a handle on another character. Of the five choices, two already have profiles written... but if any of the other three win the voting, I'll have work to do tomorrow. <div style="text-align:center;">Voting's still open for another 12 hours or so. Who do you want to know more about? Gargantuan. Nate Johnson. Sean Deeley. Ricky DeColt. Trent Shaffer.</div>

Briskout · August 13, 2013

Nate Johnson. Clearly. I don't want to read about Sean Deeley getting an oil change.

Glad to see you brought over the profiles from FCK. It was one of the best things going when FCK was around.

Dragonmack · August 13, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Regis" data-cite="Regis" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35210" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also, as for the DeColt/DaLay match being predictable, that just proves that your booking was sensible. Like you say, we're smarks. We'd have bought the PPV, watched the match, cheered the hero and booed the villain, and loved every second of it. We know that DaLay isn't good enough to carry your promotion, especially not when the DeColts are around to do it for him. Still, the fact is that you built to a good match, and that always counts for something. Prediction contests will usually end up with a consensus one way or another. Most of the time, it's right unless there's a swerve in the works. Also, the fact remains that if you went to most of the marks of the C-verse and asked them who they thought was going to win, I reckon most of them would have picked Alex DeColt. "Hey, he's Alex DeColt! He always thinks of something, right?" The booker can keep both parties strong, but ultimately, the only people who are going to make us believe that either man could win are the workers in the ring. If we watched the match, we might well have been on the edge of our seats when Dan hit the Backfist. Of course, the match is fictional and we read it rather than seeing it, so it doesn't have the same impact. So it goes. You did your job well.</div></blockquote> Actually Dalay is more than good enough to be the World Champion, and more than just a transitional one. Yes it will be others making his championships watcheable as he cannot carry others to a great match, but he can gain overness to match even the DeColts, and even toned down, his very high menace, coupled with that overness, can lead to high rated angles and high rated matches. I liken him to a Big Van Vader, not a good enough worker to not need protecting or good opponents, but more than credible enough to pull off a good World Championship run.

JShmoopy · August 13, 2013

Gargantuan

Voeltzwagon · August 14, 2013

I see all these Gargantuan votes and I can only hope he is like Mr. Torque in his profile.

'That sentence has too many syllables! APOLOGIZE!'

Self · August 15, 2013

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Sunday Week 3 February

Waterloo Varsity Arena, Ontario

5,000 in attendance

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Davis Ditterich “Alex DeColt successfully defended his title against Dan DaLay at ‘Luck of the Draw’, but tonight a new challenger will be decided in four-way action.”

Catherine Quine “Victories on Friday put Trent Shaffer, Ricky DeColt and Eddie Chandler in the match, while DaLay gets a shot at redemption.”

Davis Ditterich “And if you think stable-mates DaLay and Chandler have an advantage, think again. There’s tension within the Elite. Each man looking to prove his own individual worth to the group.”

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BACKSTAGE

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His right arm heavily taped up, a battered and bruised ALEX DECOLT has a microphone.

<div style="text-align:center;">ALEX DECOLT

Ladies and gentlemen... Welcome to Waterloo University. Welcome

to Canadian Golden Combat. Welcome to DECOLT COUNTRY!

Friday night! Dan DaLay challenged me with one of the most devious

puzzles I’ve ever encountered. An unblockable, unavoidable, Backfist.

Well, I blocked it. I avoided it. I solved it.

We’re five weeks away from my father’s WrestleFestival, and I need a

new puzzle to solve. But from who? Will Dan DaLay get another

chance to succeed where the backfist failed? Will Eddie Chandler

pull himself from the beauty salon long enough to step in the ring? Will

Sparkles McTwilight get to see how far I can put my boot up his ass?

Or will it be my brother? Ricky DeColt. The Man without Fear. The

one man I might actually fear. We DeColts, we train, we spar, we

squabble... but we don’t fight. Not each other. Not in that ring. Never

in our long history. How can I beat a man I’d give my life to protect?

That may be the one question I can’t answer.

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NATE JOHNSON & SEAN DEELEY VS WHIPPY THE CLOWN & SKIP BEAU

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Davis Ditterich “Adrian Garcia’s “investors” have given the members of The Elite an ultimatum; Start impressing, or get out.”

Whippy makes a fool out of Nate early with tumbling and simple mime tricks. Beau attempts to clumsily do likewise, but Deeley suplexes him out of his boots. The Elite control Beau in their corner, but their game of one-upmanship gets heated, and while they argue Beau makes the tag! Whippy runs wild with clown-drags and drop-clowns. He rocks Johnson with a Clownziguri and climbs up top for a Clownsault, but Deeley cuts him off with a release german off the top. Nate quickly makes the cover.

<div style="text-align:center;">YOUR WINNERS… </div>

Nate Johnson hastily whispers to the Ring Announcer.

<div style="text-align:center;">YOUR WINNER… NATE JOHNSON (6:58)</div>

Johnson celebrates. Sean Deeley looks pissed off.

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ELITE LOCKER ROOM

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Addressing the camera, ADRIAN GARCIA stands between EDDIE CHANDLER and DAN DALAY.

<div style="text-align:center;">ADRIAN GARCIA

As you just... um... saw there, while my Elite clients are eager to

impress my investors right now, that doesn’t get in the way of them

working together towards a common goal. Which is exactly how

it’s going to be in the main event tonight. Four-way match. One fall.

One victor. They say “every man for himself” but WE say it doesn’t

matter whether Dan DaLay or Eddie Chandler gets his hand

raised. A win for either is a win for The Elite.</div>

Adrian Garcia tries to raise his client’s hands, but DaLay & Chandler shrug him off and glare at each other.

<div style="text-align:center;">DAN DALAY

Back off, fruit-cup. The belt is mine.

EDDIE CHANDLER

Ah. Mon petit chou. If you wanted it so badly, why did you blow it last

Friday?</div>

The fighters angrily turn and go their separate ways. Garcia doesn’t know who to follow.

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BACKSTAGE

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Iron Man armour discarded in a nearby trashcan, a forlorn CHRISTIAN PRICE looks at two plates set in front of him. On one, a healthy pile of chicken and vegetables. On the other, chocolate, ice cream and cheeseburgers. With a weary sigh, he picks up a chocolate bar and goes to take a bite... RICKY DECOLT slaps it out of his hands.

<div style="text-align:center;">RICKY DECOLT

What? You lose one match and you’re ready to give it all up?

CHRISTIAN PRICE

Gargantuan’s too big. Too strong. Inside, I’m just a fat nerd. Might as well

look the part. </div>

Price picks up the ice cream. Again, Ricky slaps it out of his hands. Beyond furious, Price gets in his face.

<div style="text-align:center;">RICKY DECOLT

No. Not on my watch. We worked too hard for you to go back to that.

Too many hours in the gym. Too much chicken! So what if Gargantuan

took your title? Get back to training and take it back. Not for yourself,

not for me, but for every little fat kid out there looking for a hero. Because

that’s what you are. And If I ever, ever see you touch a carb again, I’ll

set fire to your comic book collection.

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MISSY MASTERSON spies on them from around the corner.

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THE FOLLOWING CONTEST IS A QUARTER FINAL MATCH IN A TOURNAMENT

TO DECIDE THE NEXT CHALLENGER FOR THE CGC CANADIAN TITLE

RYAN POWELL VS THRILL SEEKER

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Davis Ditterich “While the No.1 contender to the World Title will be decided in a 4 way later tonight, when it comes to the Canadian Title, we’re going the tournament route.”

Catherine Quine “Who will take on the Gargantuan? We’ll find out over the next 6 weeks.”

Thrill Seeker dominates early with innovative kicks and aerial offense. Powell goes for the eyes, bending the rules as much he can, but trips over his own feet attempting a clothesline. Thrill Seeker kicks up the tempo and starts bouncing off of the ropes at impossible angles, three steps ahead of the panicking Powell. Missile Dropkick! Daredevil Drop (Fame Asser) 1... 2... 3!

<div style="text-align:center;">YOUR WINNER... THRILL SEEKER (6:46)</div>

Davis Ditterich “He’s come up against the Gargantuan before. I’m sure there’s nothing Thrill Seeker wants more than to get a measure of revenge inside the ring.”

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GOLDEN PROFILE 06

GARGANTUAN

Age… Unknown. Height… 7’0 Weight… 425lbs

Location Classified

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Title History: Current CGC Canadian Champion

Strengths: Gigantic, Strong, Possibly immortal

Specialty Moves: Ultimate Backbreaker. Chokeslam

Combat Connections: George DeColt (It’s complicated)

In 1997, a team of Canadian scientists sought to genetically engineer the perfect soldier, mixing the DNA of several of history’s most dangerous warriors (Attila The Hun, Spartacus, Eric the Red) as well as experimenting with gamma radiation and adamantium bone-grafts. The result? Gargantuan.

<div style="text-align:center;">“The small people, they scurry around, almost as if their lives have meaning.”</div>

In 2009, the scientists brought their monster to Canadian Golden Combat to test his destructive capabilities against the legendary DeColt Family. Yet while their motives were purely scientific, Gargantuan himself had his own agenda, and he destroyed his creators in order to pursue it. Turns out, one of the warriors used to artificially construct his DNA was wrestling legend George DeColt, and Gargantuan would stop at nothing to discover what that meant… and to destroy any ’pretenders’ to that genetic line.

<div style="text-align:center;">“I have no name. I have no identity. Those that see me can only

describe me. Gargantuan.”</div>

Although Alex, Jack and Ricky offered to accept him as part of the family, Gargantuan remains a lone wolf. While he couldn’t destroy the DeColt brothers, they couldn’t destroy him either. Now he bides his time. Gathering strength. Gathering knowledge. Even winning the CGC Canadian Title as a showcase of his dominance.

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THE FOLLOWING FOUR-WAY CONTEST IS SCHEDULED FOR ONE FALL AND IS TO

DECIDE THE NO.1 CONTENDER FOR THE CGC WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

DAN DALAY VS EDDIE CHANDLER VS RICKY DECOLT VS TRENT SHAFFER

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Davis Ditterich “We’re just 6-weeks away from George DeColt’s WrestleFestival, and a new challenger for the CGC World Title will be decided right here, right now.”

Catherine Quine “The competitors are going to need eyes in the back of their heads for this one.”

Trent immediately bails. Ricky doesn’t give the two Elite members a chance to decide if they want to work together, taking it to them with high intensity, high risk offense. DaLay blindsides Ricky and beats him down with clubbing blows, until Ricky bests him with speed. Running Bulldog! Chandler takes him down and grinds him into the mat, practically humping him. Ricky powers free. DeColt 45 (Roll Inverted DDT)! Just when the tables have turned, Trent makes his presence known, locking in the Vampiric Embrace (Sleeper). Ricky fades fast.

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A berserk JACK DECOLT charges into the ring and launches recklessly at Trent with a huge Shoulder Tackle, but Trent ducks and Jack collides with his brother, knocking Ricky out of the ring. Trent laughs at his error, and Jack chases him out of the ring and up the ramp.

The only ones left standing, DaLay and Chandler glare at each other and prepare to throw hands, Chandler rears back and… FINGER POKE! DaLay unconvincingly goes down and Chandler makes an uncharacteristically non-sexual lateral press. 1... 2... 3!

<div style="text-align:center;">YOUR WINNER… AND NEW NO.1 CONTENDER… EDDIE CHANDLER (14:23)</div>

Eddie Chandler and Dan DaLay shake hands, as Adrian Garcia bounds into the ring, jumping for joy.

Davis Ditterich “While it might not be smooth sailing for the entire Elite right now, it seems like DaLay and Chandler are on the same page, and that could spell trouble for Alex DeColt and his CGC World Title.”

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Self · August 15, 2013

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Alex DeColt Promo... B+

THE ELITE VS WHIPPY & SKIP BEAU... D+

Adrian Garcia Promo... C

Ricky DeColt and Christian Price Skit... C+

RYAN POWELL VS THRILL SEEKER... D+

Golden Profile: Gargantuan... B

DALAY VS CHANDLER VS RICKY VS SHAFFER... C

<div style="text-align:center;">FINAL RATING... C+</div>

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Warning: About to Break Kayfabe

Screw it, I can talk about the data. Sometimes I forget that CGC isn’t easy-mode. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a lovely set up and the DeColts are ace, but compared to my recent private games with SWF and TCW, there’s a distinct lack of popularity in the heels, and the guys aren’t quite as talented in the ring. So what I envision as amazing main events sometimes fall flat in the game. The 4-way getting a C was unexpected.

Perhaps my backstage is to blame. 62% on this show. Does that hurt ratings? I’ll have to fiddle with it before next week. Certain folks who creative have nothing for could be sent on holiday. Maybe someone has a friend who wasn’t snapped up in the [8RoW] spending spree. I guess I could look for locker room leaders. I do have a lot of positive influences though, and you’d think that DeColt-y core would help a ton. Only one guy is such a negative influence I’m tempted to fire... but he’s scripted into a bunch of stuff coming up, and he’s such a “CGC guy” it feels wrong.

What else surprised me... Man, Trent vs Jack at the PPV sucked. C- for arguably my focal story of the last chapter. Wish I’d paid more attention to the Dirt Sheet to see what happened. It’s not like Trent is unpopular with the C-Verse marks either. Soldiers of Fortune vs Zeus & Stevie was however a pleasant surprise. Soldiers are a viable tag team, despite their age.

Final note, booking the pre-show is my favourite thing to do. Having an hour? It’s like having an extra show to book, albeit one that makes less storyline sense and is a bit more min-max-y. I may start sharing the pre-show results, but then I’d have to book them a bit more logically, and it might reveal a few roster additions who haven’t made it to television yet.

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Thanks to the PPV, there was a lot of episodes posted in quick succession, which I guess is a nice way to restart things. Alas, I’ll now settle back into my once-a-week schedule, posting the television shows every Thursday. Good for my sanity, if nothing else. I’ve got enough scripts that I’m tempted to go faster, but I want to keep the option of ignoring the project for 2-3 weeks, while still having enough of a stockpile to keep posting.

Next Week! CGC World Heavyweight Champion confronts the new No.1 Contender!

<div style="text-align:center;">Disappointed with The Elite’s performance, Adrian Garcia’s “investors” want changes. Who do you think is no longer fit to call themselves Elite?

Dan DaLay, Eddie Chandler, Nate Johnson or Sean Deeley?</div>

Big Roguey · August 15, 2013

Disappointed with The Elite’s performance, Adrian Garcia’s “investors” want changes. Who do you think is no longer fit to call themselves Elite?

Dan DaLay, Eddie Chandler, Nate Johnson or Sean Deeley?

christmas_ape · August 15, 2013

Less than 70% backstage moral hurts ratings. Being 8% underneath it probably won't do too much harm but might be a good place to start if you want to up your ratings.

I can relate to enjoying booking the pre show in a diary, well in the past anyway. I personally would keep it off the posts, especially if you enjoy it that way. I think the posts at the moment really like a short but complete program but adding those in might take that away.

But the reason I was commenting was to say how much I liked that Gargantuan profile, that is one hell of a backstory!!

Also my vote is for Dan DaLay... I like him, and I know this would probably mean less tv time but he's getting on and has just lost. Some new blood in the Elite pushing him out writes itself.

Regis · August 15, 2013

Sean Deeley is clearly out. He can feud with Nate and the rest of the ELITE, and provide a top face that isn't a DeColt.

No... wait...

Nate Johnson! The ELITE just proved that they can act as a team, that DaLay is willing to lie down for his brother-in-arms. Nate is putting his interests above the rest of the stable, and that shit won't fly. He gets kicked out, but doesn't turn face, instead becoming a roving heel without portfolio. Maybe a reunion of the Specialists? I don't know.

Briskout · August 15, 2013

I'm voting Nate Johnson out. It's only logical.

On that same note as christmas_ape, that Gargantuan backstory was amazing. It's only 8 am but it made my day.

Phantom Stranger · August 15, 2013

Disappointed with The Elite’s performance, Adrian Garcia’s “investors” want changes. Who do you think is no longer fit to call themselves Elite?

Dan DaLay, Eddie Chandler, Nate Johnson or Sean Deeley?

Voeltzwagon · August 15, 2013

Could be worse, Self. I would share with you the horrors of all the bad chemistry I have found in my CGC diary in just three weeks and you would cringe! Of course I have had a few surprises that make up for it, but when booking the second Title Bout I just kept going 'REALLY?' from all the negative chem I was finding.

As for who to drop out of Elite? I will go with who I kicked out my last CGC attempt, Nate Johnson. In your case he is just asking for the trouble given how he looks to be angering his stable mates. Then again what he is doing is something the investors can appreciate. SUSPENSE!

March · August 15, 2013

This is a great diary. I just discovered it a few days ago, but catching up with it was a lot of fun.

I loved Gargantuan's origin story. It reminded me of Serpentor's from GI Joe (plus references to Marvel's Hulk and Wolverine's)... but the twist involving George DeColt was great.

I think you should keep the pre-show results secret. I'd hate to have any potential surprises spoiled.

Who's out of the Elite? In order of most likely to least likely...

Nate Johnson (to put it bluntly, he's pissing off his stable mates)

Sean Deeley (could turn face and feud with Johnson, who they choose over him)

Dan DaLay (If it comes between him and Chandler, I think he goes... but he's still a strong asset so it is difficult to imagine he is gone)

Eddie Chandler (he's the number one contender)

March · August 15, 2013

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35210" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Golden Profile: Gargantuan... B DALAY VS CHANDLER VS RICKY VS SHAFFER... C The 4-way getting a C was unexpected. </div></blockquote> The Gargantuan profile right before it might have hurt it, if what I've heard about strong angles hurting the match coming after it is true.

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