~ Montreal Aftermath: December 1997 Official Release

[kito333]

I like this time period, but every time I play as WWF I get a warning from my PPV providers that my buyrates are too low. Does anyone else get this problem from the start?

[Jaysin]

I like this time period, but every time I play as WWF I get a warning from my PPV providers that my buyrates are too low. Does anyone else get this problem from the start?

 

It's because PPV carriers are too big for the WWF.

[edenborn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="edenborn" data-cite="edenborn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36821" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The consensus is that workers are too strongly penalized by drugs and alcohol but I'm at a loss for just how much to reduce those numbers. <p> </p><p> Would dropping each by 10 points do the trick? Too little? Too much?</p></div></blockquote>Bumping this in the hopes of some good advice. <p> </p><p> Scott Hall's at 58% for Drinking, 48% for Soft Drug Use, 17% for Hard Drug Use and 15% for Steroids. No doubt he had significant addiction problems by late '97 but am I misremembering that he was also capable of pulling off decent performances?</p>

[Mattywood]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="edenborn" data-cite="edenborn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36821" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bumping this in the hopes of some good advice. <p> </p><p> Scott Hall's at 58% for Drinking, 48% for Soft Drug Use, 17% for Hard Drug Use and 15% for Steroids. No doubt he had significant addiction problems by late '97 but am I misremembering that he was also capable of pulling off decent performances?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, that's rather high even for late 1997 going into 1998. I would do one of two things: set his drinking to 20%, and soft and hard drug use to 5-10%(not sure about steroids.. wasn't he reformed from steroids by that point?). Or I would set his drinking to 10%, and drug use to 1-5%, then put in narratives that up his lifestyle habits as time goes by.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: I just noticed the irony of me chiming in on this considering I'm using a Razor Ramon avatar at the moment. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[mrwhippy]

Even 20% is high, that would kill a match.

[thadian]

<p>Amazing mod.</p><p> </p><p>

You are missing the owners of JCW, Violent J (Joe Bruce) and Shaggy 2 Dope (Joe Ustler). ICP used to be a tag team, who worked for WWF, WCW, ECW, XPW, TNA and several other independent promotions.</p><p> </p><p>

JCW is a touring promotion they still book, and hold at least one tour per year consistently.</p>

[John Waylon]

Used to love this mod but the substance penalties make it such a pain.

[D16NJD16]

Used to love this mod but the substance penalties make it such a pain.

 

There aren't that many, are there?

[Stennick]

There are a lot. If you drug test WCW most of the locker room gets tagged its pretty brutual. Realistic yes, but from a gameplay stand point its kind of murder.

[John Waylon]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="D16NJD16" data-cite="D16NJD16" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36821" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There aren't that many, are there?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ohhhh yes. Seems like everyone gets a penalty of some kind.</p>

[D16NJD16]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="John Waylon" data-cite="John Waylon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36821" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ohhhh yes. Seems like everyone gets a penalty of some kind.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There are some flat out inaccuracies as far as personal stats go yes. But some of that stuff about penalties for everything, is an issue with TEW itself. It's poor implementation.</p>

[justtxyank]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="D16NJD16" data-cite="D16NJD16" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36821" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There are some flat out inaccuracies as far as personal stats go yes. But some of that stuff about penalties for everything, is an issue with TEW itself. It's poor implementation.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's a lack of understanding the feature actually. </p><p> </p><p> On Scott Hall though, he should get dinged. His performances were spotty in 1998 and he was actually taken off tv at least twice, once in early 98 and once in late 98 due to abuse issues. It was late 98 that his wife wrote the letter about WCW using Hall despite his alcohol issues. He was pretty messed up. His alcohol at least should be set high.</p>

[Colby]

<p>I feel like this is a common error in most scenarios. Something I have since dealt with by either turning off the feature which allows me to see why angles and matches are being penalized (almost like a 'realism' effect, figure it out on your own accord why the matches are failing?) or by playing the Cornellverse.</p><p> </p><p>

This is not a bash on this mod by any means as I have planned it, and many others with joy in the past. It's just hard to ever play a real-world mod of any sort and find a full complete balance or keep everyone happy with the mod and its statistics.</p><p> </p><p>

Play on! lmao.</p>

[Genadi]

Using the Scott Hall example pointed out above, maybe a little high but I don't think by much. I'm 2 years into a WCW game and he's still pulling off A matches with top talent.

 

If you're really not that happy with them it wouldn't take long at all to edit them out.

 

The mods plays really well for me and is still probably the most fun I have playing TEW, which is the main reason I update it every year.

[Genadi]

There are some flat out inaccuracies as far as personal stats go yes. But some of that stuff about penalties for everything, is an issue with TEW itself. It's poor implementation.

 

Sigh Really again? How many times, in how many different ways and how many people have to ask you to provide constructive feedback and not troll?

 

You and people like you are the reason half the modders stopped. Seriously it amazes me you still conduct yourself like this.

 

I'm getting real tired of the same trolls and alt accounts, seriously this has been the forum and games biggest problem since '04.

EDIT - I'll say it one more time, maybe I should just make this my sig...... Instead of pretending you're a guru on the art of pro wrestling and chiming in with "There are some flat out inaccuracies as far as personal stats go yes". Howabout.... "I've spotted some stats I disagree with, the list is as follows... Or option C, ignore the mod and display your IWC epeen elsewhere.

 

The statement you made is seriously not only stupid but really cliché and has been done to death here already. Then again this is the same guy who created 2 alt accounts to give his diaries and mods 5 stars while giving other mods and diaries 1 star... The same guy who Adam Ryland himself exposed as doing that and was laughed off the forum. Seriously I'm surprised you even still post under any of these accounts. I don't mind you rating all of my mods 1 star the second they're posted, in fact I'm kind of honoured by it now and after 7 years it's become an inside joke of sorts. I will ask you to please refrain from posting the same stupid crap though, under DJ, kevel, or whatever other alt account you've created since. I've made it quite clear in the past I won't accept this nonsense. I've said and will again, it's a cancer to TEW.

 

People don't forget

 

 

On a positive note, I really do appreciate all the valid feedback and suggestions. If you know anything about my mods you'll know they will all be addressed in further versions.

[Hive]

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I understand where Genadi is coming from: doing criticism and feedback is fine, heck I personally encourage it for my own mods - as long as it's constructive (which, thankfully, I usually find that it is).

[alvarasus]

Sigh Really again? How many times, in how many different ways and how many people have to ask you to provide constructive feedback and not troll?

 

You and people like you are the reason half the modders stopped. Seriously it amazes me you still conduct yourself like this.

 

I'm getting real tired of the same trolls and alt accounts, seriously this has been the forum and games biggest problem since '04.

EDIT - I'll say it one more time, maybe I should just make this my sig...... Instead of pretending you're a guru on the art of pro wrestling and chiming in with "There are some flat out inaccuracies as far as personal stats go yes". Howabout.... "I've spotted some stats I disagree with, the list is as follows... Or option C, ignore the mod and display your IWC epeen elsewhere.

 

The statement you made is seriously not only stupid but really cliché and has been done to death here already. Then again this is the same guy who created 2 alt accounts to give his diaries and mods 5 stars while giving other mods and diaries 1 star... The same guy who Adam Ryland himself exposed as doing that and was laughed off the forum. Seriously I'm surprised you even still post under any of these accounts. I don't mind you rating all of my mods 1 star the second they're posted, in fact I'm kind of honoured by it now and after 7 years it's become an inside joke of sorts. I will ask you to please refrain from posting the same stupid crap though, under DJ, kevel, or whatever other alt account you've created since. I've made it quite clear in the past I won't accept this nonsense. I've said and will again, it's a cancer to TEW.

 

People don't forget

 

 

On a positive note, I really do appreciate all the valid feedback and suggestions. If you know anything about my mods you'll know they will all be addressed in further versions.

BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! I agree with this 101 percent most old time mod makers have left the forum. Some new ones have came in and tried their hand and been bashed for their work. Mod making is time consuming, most mods take upwards to three months to year to year half to do. Every mod will have mistakes because now a days its one person doing it. I have seen people say they will test a mod, but never do it, and never give the mod maker feedback.

 

 

Myself alone had a guy tell me he was going to do pictures for me, then up and turn around a few days later say sorry he was going to do his own mod and never let me have the pictures. This was over a year ago and his mod has never seen the light of day.

 

One of the most well respected mod makers on this board from the past said lifestyles was reason he stopped modding on TEW and instead went Wrespirit. So before you come out and criticize mod please try making a mod.

 

This board has some great mods on it right now or in development as we speak. This is one of the great mods, is lifestyles harsh yes, but in reality at the time Pro Wrestling had a lot of drug users and alcoholics. If you want to talk reality Ric Flair should be set 100 percent on drinking in every mod. Terry Taylor tells a story about where Flair was late for a show and showed up wasted. Taylor thought he was going to have to carry him, but Flair and him went 40 or so minutes and Taylor was gasping for air, begging Flair to end the match.

 

So if you think lifestyles is harsh in reality, they may not be harsh enough. So as Genadi states if you see something wrong or you might think is inaccurate please point it out in detail. I had guy tell me Percy Pringle should have some in ring skills and look into and agreed. So for next release it will be fixed.

 

I have people all the time come on 1983 mod and tell me this guy should be a face or heel and I thank them and fix it. But coming on here and saying their is lot of inaccuracies and it's not playable, without listing the problems your seeing. Does not help the mod maker it just pisses them off.

[Big Mikey]

I agree with what you and Genadi have been saying. What stops me from getting too immersed though is the kinds of things showing up like you stated with Ric Flair. I know you were just using that as hyperbole but in this game anything but 0% is having some sort of effect minor or not. 1-20% is not noticeable to work and health etc. So really a guy like Ric Flair again only in my opinion would still have a 0. If the guy could go like that and be wasted then for him drinking was no problem to his work or health. Same with mods that have HBK's hard drug use way up. His matches or promo's (apart from that one promo over sea's with sunny) were never effected. Or if they were they were still amazing and about 50x's better than what half the roster could do while stone sober. So yes I can agree with you guys that the guy with multiple accounts is being plain stupid, but I can see the frustration to from a user standpoint he's just went about it entirely wrong.

[Dawn]

Sigh Really again? How many times, in how many different ways and how many people have to ask you to provide constructive feedback and not troll?

 

You and people like you are the reason half the modders stopped. Seriously it amazes me you still conduct yourself like this.

 

I'm getting real tired of the same trolls and alt accounts, seriously this has been the forum and games biggest problem since '04.

EDIT - I'll say it one more time, maybe I should just make this my sig...... Instead of pretending you're a guru on the art of pro wrestling and chiming in with "There are some flat out inaccuracies as far as personal stats go yes". Howabout.... "I've spotted some stats I disagree with, the list is as follows... Or option C, ignore the mod and display your IWC epeen elsewhere.

 

The statement you made is seriously not only stupid but really cliché and has been done to death here already. Then again this is the same guy who created 2 alt accounts to give his diaries and mods 5 stars while giving other mods and diaries 1 star... The same guy who Adam Ryland himself exposed as doing that and was laughed off the forum. Seriously I'm surprised you even still post under any of these accounts. I don't mind you rating all of my mods 1 star the second they're posted, in fact I'm kind of honoured by it now and after 7 years it's become an inside joke of sorts. I will ask you to please refrain from posting the same stupid crap though, under DJ, kevel, or whatever other alt account you've created since. I've made it quite clear in the past I won't accept this nonsense. I've said and will again, it's a cancer to TEW.

 

People don't forget

 

 

On a positive note, I really do appreciate all the valid feedback and suggestions. If you know anything about my mods you'll know they will all be addressed in further versions.

 

Wow. Just...wow. Genadi just said everything that has to be said. I have no more words other than this...and that I agree completely with Genadi's post above.

[Mattywood]

I too second Genadi's post. As for Lifestyles, I haven't had a chance to play the 1997 Montreal mod, so I had no idea Scott Hall was pulling A-rated matches with his current set-up. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think now it's if the lifestyles are under a certain percentage, then they won't necessarily effect the worker's matches, but will effect their angle segments. From my own experiences playing my own Main Event mod, how much a segment or match is penalized goes hand in hand with how low or high the percentage is. I've had Marty Jannetty and Big Boss Man, who still had lifestyle issues, in segments with Hulk Hogan and Macho Man, and the segment still pull out an A* I believe I had their lifestyles around 5-10%. Whereas someone with higher percentages brought the segment down lower. BTW, Genadi, I hope I've been constructive with any critiques I may have had about your mods. Don't be afraid to let me know if I'm ever getting out of line. ^_^

[franticloser]

Hey good to see you back, I've always enjoyed the work you are able to put out, and with only a few things negative to say, and hopefully usuaully said in a nice way.

 

All I can say is I hope with the updating(if any) and your new mod, you took the chance to browse the mod maker guide. The only other thing I can say is I hope you took all the freelancer things out. As while I got why you did it(to simulate working around the world)I don't think it ever really worked that way, and the random chance element of whether or not they would stop being one was always annoying.

[shawnbill5000]

First off , Wow. Second, I know I don't have many posts and haven't been officially part of this forum for very long, but I've followed these games and thus most of you since EWR days. And I've said it before but I feel it's time to say it again, thank you. Thank you for the work you Mod makers do, for free mind you, and thank you for the days, months, weeks and years worth of entertainment you've provided.

 

Not all Mod's are perfect but I figure instead of bashing a small thing I don't agree with, I just change it. Hell you guys built the mod, the least I can do is move a slider bar.

[justtxyank]

Using the Scott Hall example pointed out above, maybe a little high but I don't think by much. I'm 2 years into a WCW game and he's still pulling off A matches with top talent.

 

If you're really not that happy with them it wouldn't take long at all to edit them out.

 

The mods plays really well for me and is still probably the most fun I have playing TEW, which is the main reason I update it every year.

 

If anything I would argue his issues aren't high ENOUGH if you are getting A rated matched from him in 1999 lol.

 

Hall was an absolute mess in 1998/1999. He was taken off television multiple times with suspensions, pseduo firings, etc. Guys were legit nervous about working with him because he was drunk so much. Hall is a guy that other wrestlers have always liked because he was fun and he didn't take himself too seriously like most wrestlers.

 

Scott Hall in 1998-2000 WCW was a string of decent matches and then long absences where he would return to cut promos that were getting progressively worse with the slurred speech.

 

Bickering over the lifestyle stats is pointless really. People get upset because the game doesn't play the way they want it to play.

 

Here's how I look at a mod: The mod maker is spending their time and effort to get the game as close to realistic and playable as possible for you. They are doing all the hard work of filling out the game world, bios, pictures, stats, contracts, title histories, etc. etc. When you play you can spend about an hour setting up the game world to fit your custom view by editing the guys you'll be dealing with. It's not hard at all and then you don't have to complain. There are literally thousands of pieces of data to work on in a mod. Hours of research. Money spent (by some modders) on magazines.

 

Montreal Aftermath is the reason I still play TEW today. It was my favorite mod for years and I still have a customized database built off it for personal use.

[YoungNoble]

Just wanted to say thanks again. I have been replaying this mod after dipping into the CVerse the past few months.... Amazing Genadi! My only fear is that I will lose interest in my WWF game when your current real world mod comes out.

[Nachtfalter]

I'm sure I've said it before - if not here then in a thread for an earlier version of TEW - I really love this mod! It's such a perfect entry point, especially for playing WCW and attempting to right their wrongs.

 

For my new game, I edited some stuff and wanted to point out some things that could be looked at, either by Genadi himself for possible future versions or anyone else who wishes to edit the mod for their personal use. Note that pretty much all of it is based on the Cagematch database, which is a wonderful resource, but it's also not infallible.

 

List of Workers I added or imported:

- Lee Marshall (to WCW)

- Bobby Walker (to WCW)

- Scott Dickinson (to WCW)

- Kendall Windham (to WCW)

- Mark Starr (to WCW)

- Mean Mike & Tough Tom (to WCW - together, they are Disorderly Conduct)

- Rick Fuller (to WCW)

- Ron Reis (Unemployed but would debut as part of Raven's Flock soon)

- Maxx Muscle (Unemployed, but I loved him as DDP's bodyguard, so...)

 

List of new contracts:

(Workers who are in the mod and wrestled for WCW around the time period)

- Scott Armstrong (WCW)

- Steve Armstrong (WCW)

- The Renegade (WCW)

- Road Block (WCW)

- Bobby Blaze (WCW)

- Hector Garza (WCW)

- Halloween (WCW - as Ciclope)

- Damien 666 (WCW - as Damien)

- El Dandy (WCW)

- Greg Valentine (WCW)

- Super Calo (WCW)

- Villano IV & Villano V (WCW)

- Dwayne Bruce (WCW - as Sgt. Buddy Lee Parker)

- Scott D'Amore (WCW)

 

List of deleted Contracts:

- Harley Race (might still have been under WCW contract, but wasn't used)

- Teddy Long (might still have been under WCW contract, but wasn't used)

- Rick Martel (doesn't debut in WCW until January)

- Davey Boy (doesn't debut in WCW until January)

- Jim Neidhart (doesn't debut in WCW until January)

- Ice Train (might still have been under WCW contract, but wasn't used)

- The Booty Man (pretty sure he was let go in '96 and resigned in early '98 as Disciple, though he may have been under contract the entire time and just not being used)

 

I also added WCW Worldwide as a TV show on TBS - the thought behind it being that the player can turn it into an A show and use it as WCW Thunder come January.

 

Two more things I didn't do yet, but might be worthwile:

- It might be worth to consider adding NWA: New Jersey as a company - this is where Dan Severn most frequently defended the NWA World title. That way, the title could be active in the gameworld which I think would be nice.

- It would definitely be very nice to have Promo Azteca in the mod. The company was owned by TV Azteca, run by Konnan and featured essentially all the luchadors under WCW contract (plus some others, of course, including future notable Ultimo Guerrero). As it is in the mod now, some of them have contracts with AAA or CMLL, but as far as I can tell from the cagematch database, that wasn't really the case as the only CMLL or AAA shows they appeared on were ones co-promoted with Promo Azteca.