The Mod Squad

[drcat123]

<p>minor fix </p><p> </p><p>

there is 2 blackjack mulligan</p>

[Mattywood]

Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo have a blood relative relation. It should probably be either strong friendship or best friend.

[TomSellecksMustache]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="drcat123" data-cite="drcat123" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>minor fix <p> </p><p> there is 2 blackjack mulligan</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> 2 different people</p>

[HugeRockStar760]

Just curious, with World Championship Wrestling set to debut in December 1988, what if JCP is still in business? From a mod perspective, it just views the two as different companies? Not sure Turner necessarily opens his own promotion if JCP is thriving at that time.

[mrwright86]

<p>Can't find General Adnan/Sheik Adnan in the data. Is he there under any different name?</p><p>

Two more things about the WWF Tag Team titles, one of which is personal preference so please feel free to completely ignore it and the other is what I think is a historical inaccuracy.</p><p>

The dates on the title histories are in MM/DD/YY format when all other titles are like May 30, 2016. Like I said, personal preference and definitely nit picky but thought I'd mention it.</p><p>

Secondly it looks like the WWF World Tag Team title and WWF United States title histories have been merged when Wikipedia lists them as two different titles. I'm not sure what WWE.com has them as to be fair so I may be wrong but wanted to point it out just in case.</p><p>

I have gone through and changed all of the above in case you wanted to just take what I've done to make life easier.</p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt Shannon" data-cite="Matt Shannon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Barry Orton and Bruno probably shouldn't have their dislikes of Pat Patterson and Terry Garvin just yet as this didn't boil over till years later. Then again, maybe these were put in to potentially set off future incidents? And I guess the same could be said for the Dynamite/Jacques Rougeau relationship?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah that was a tough one. The Barry O and Garvin incident had already taken place years before '87. Orton left in 1987 due to his disdain for Garvin and Patterson so to replicate that I created the relationships.</p><p> </p><p> Bruno was also on the outs with McMahon and was gone a year later when his contract was up. He was very vocal at the time and years after about his unhappiness and feeling towards McMahon.</p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="HugeRockStar760" data-cite="HugeRockStar760" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just curious, with World Championship Wrestling set to debut in December 1988, what if JCP is still in business? From a mod perspective, it just views the two as different companies? Not sure Turner necessarily opens his own promotion if JCP is thriving at that time.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It was another tough decision but after testing and discussion we went with WCW as a separate company. Even with the new narrative to change a company name it didn't replicate well enough. If you play as JCP the negative narratives won't hurt you and you'll only have to deal with WCW as another company... or you can delete them as a company if you don't want that. Playing as any other company you will see JCP crash and the likes of Flair and Sting usually sign with WCW. </p><p> </p><p> If you run any tests and can replicate the JCP>WCW evolution better please let me know I will try it out <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="HugeRockStar760" data-cite="HugeRockStar760" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just curious, with World Championship Wrestling set to debut in December 1988, what if JCP is still in business? From a mod perspective, it just views the two as different companies? Not sure Turner necessarily opens his own promotion if JCP is thriving at that time.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yep just discovered there was a problem when we updated some lineages. Will be rectified for Version 1.1 which will be posted within 24 hours <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mrwright86" data-cite="mrwright86" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can't find General Adnan/Sheik Adnan in the data. Is he there under any different name? </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sheik Adnan Al-Kaissey ? Is under that name <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Lucas]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mrwright86" data-cite="mrwright86" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Two more things about the WWF Tag Team titles, one of which is personal preference so please feel free to completely ignore it and the other is what I think is a historical inaccuracy.<p> The dates on the title histories are in MM/DD/YY format when all other titles are like May 30, 2016. Like I said, personal preference and definitely nit picky but thought I'd mention it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nit picky is good glad someone noticed. </p><p> </p><p> Now, all title dates should read something like:</p><p> </p><p> Date, month year - ie:</p><p> 30, May 2016</p><p> </p><p> If you've got a screenshot of the inaccuracy I'll know exactly where to look in the data as I fix up some other things with the title belts. </p><p> </p><p> Thanks for raising, keep it coming <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[mrwright86]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sheik Adnan Al-Kaissey ? Is under that name <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well I am blind! Not on my laptop at the moment, just couldn't find him while setting up his WWF Tag Team title history. Thanks for clarifying</p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mrwright86" data-cite="mrwright86" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well I am blind! Not on my laptop at the moment, just couldn't find him while setting up his WWF Tag Team title history. Thanks for clarifying</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Must be an illusion because I knew he was in there but still did a double take trying to find him <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[HugeRockStar760]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was another tough decision but after testing and discussion we went with WCW as a separate company. Even with the new narrative to change a company name it didn't replicate well enough. If you play as JCP the negative narratives won't hurt you and you'll only have to deal with WCW as another company... or you can delete them as a company if you don't want that. Playing as any other company you will see JCP crash and the likes of Flair and Sting usually sign with WCW. <p> </p><p> If you run any tests and can replicate the JCP>WCW evolution better please let me know I will try it out <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That makes sense, especially if as a user you are playing with a non-JCP company (WWF). Perhaps the trade off is that if you are starting with JCP, delete WCW out of the game, and decide if you want to change the name to WCW or not.</p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="HugeRockStar760" data-cite="HugeRockStar760" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That makes sense, especially if as a user you are playing with a non-JCP company (WWF). Perhaps the trade off is that if you are starting with JCP, delete WCW out of the game, and decide if you want to change the name to WCW or not.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Great idea <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> It works the same way it did in TGA '13 only with some minor tweaks. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> One of the biggest changes from TGA 13 - TGA 16 was the decision to have WWF run two B shows. Any feedback on that in particular is welcomed. We do know the pros and cons of each after extensive testing but if it does gimp WWF too much we'll look to make a change.</p>

[Stennick]

Just curious what made it hard to replicate? It seems like changing the name and giving them a giant money bomb should have done the trick.

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just curious what made it hard to replicate? It seems like changing the name and giving them a giant money bomb should have done the trick.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They received a giant money bomb because of Turner but <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Plus the name changes I mentioned, plus things like lineages, prestige, product. Turner buying WCW gradually turned their product more mainstream, I think there was just as much chance he would've started his own company as there was he would buy JCP.</p>

[jbergey_2005]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Great idea <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> It works the same way it did in TGA '13 only with some minor tweaks. <p> </p><p> </p><p> One of the biggest changes from TGA 13 - TGA 16 was the decision to have WWF run two B shows. Any feedback on that in particular is welcomed. We do know the pros and cons of each after extensive testing but if it does gimp WWF too much we'll look to make a change.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My thoughts are this is pretty much what they were, B shows. Very little meaningful matches but they did set up some big angles on them B shows. They set up most of their big matches on Saturday Nights Main Event and they were just a marketing giant at the time. Its unfortunate a monthly NBC Saturday Nights Main Event show couldnt be created to kind of mimic this situation. I thought they had a cable TV show around this time on TNT that was more of an A show than Superstars?</p><p> </p><p> EDIT</p><p> Prime Time Wrestling on USA(2 hours). That was a bit more of the A show I think. Not conventional as to todays standards but at the time had decent matches and replayed all the bigger angles.</p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> I thought they had a cable TV show around this time on TNT that was more of an A show than Superstars?<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is the core of it all right here ^</p><p> </p><p> WWF TV slots in 1987 are impossible to replicate completely accurately and apart from SNME specials that's a good thing otherwise we'd have 153 contracts just for WWF TV. Part of Vince's genius back then was entering into deals with tons of different networks all over the world.</p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="drcat123" data-cite="drcat123" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>minor fix <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks DrCat you've provided some nice finds that have been fixed for V1.1 <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[drcat123]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TomSellecksMustache" data-cite="TomSellecksMustache" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>2 different people</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not according to the Internet and they have the same picture</p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="drcat123" data-cite="drcat123" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not according to the Internet and they have the same picture</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> One was British I think... Tsu will be able to answer that as he owns that region... He traded 4 rum leg hams to Big Daddy in 1989 for the UK territory.</p>

[jbergey_2005]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is the core of it all right here ^<p> </p><p> WWF TV slots in 1987 are impossible to replicate completely accurately and apart from SNME specials that's a good thing otherwise we'd have 153 contracts just for WWF TV. Part of Vince's genius back then was entering into deals with tons of different networks all over the world.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What would you think of adding a 2 hour 'Prime Time Wrestling' Show(A Show) on USA Monday Night and keeping the 2 B shows as is? Would this mess up the game mechanics as your team envisioned? Just thinking this would give them the 2 hours of squash matches they loved during that time period while also giving them enough national exposure to keep their workers overness up and run the numerous angles of that time without needing a semi monthly SNME special.</p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What would you think of adding a 2 hour 'Prime Time Wrestling' Show(A Show) on USA Monday Night and keeping the 2 B shows as is? Would this mess up the game mechanics as your team envisioned? Just thinking this would give them the 2 hours of squash matches they loved during that time period while also giving them enough national exposure to keep their workers overness up and run the numerous angles of that time without needing a semi monthly SNME special.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We tested and considered that also. The way we balanced it now is...</p><p> </p><p> If you play as WWF you can create SNME specials weekly, bi-weekly or whatever as it's set as a special event. This will help grow popularity faster as it was in reality. You can either push on with 2 B shows or cancel one, they're both only an hour in length and with WWF's match ratio for TV (lowered for version 1.1 from 70% to 60%) aren't hard to fill.</p><p> </p><p> If you play as any other company WWF will not grow as fast as maybe it should for the first few years or until they debut an A show. One of the main factors in our decision making is the fact that you won't see WWF TV every week with Hogan vs Savage main events. The AI books some great cards now, from what I've seen better then any other TEW so it seemed to contribute to WWF TV cards being stacked weekly.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Hope that all made sense, trying to reply in between updating <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[TsuMirren]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="drcat123" data-cite="drcat123" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=4971" rel="external nofollow">http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=4971</a><p> </p><p> Mick McMichael picture is here ^ he has no picture</p><p> </p><p> dale preston can be set as king kendo picture. Since he took over the gimmick</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He didn't work as only King Kendo though, I thought I had it in as an alter ego. That said, easy to mix up 87 and 97 when doing two mods.</p>

[TsuMirren]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Swanton825" data-cite="The Swanton825" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>See that makes sense for promotions built around nepotism like WWA, but when I see Mark Rocco set as ASW's figurehead it seems strange since it would handicap them against Joint Promotions (which is the opposite of what happened IRL to my knowledge) and could have just as easily been left with no figurehead.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Aha, I knew I forgot to check a few things. Actually, I've been ill and only had about 30 mins to give a final go over. I did have it as Kendo, but maybe testing showed him dropping off too often. St Clair didn't appear enough, Rocco/Nagasaki were being pushed so makes sense to have either.</p><p> </p><p> It really shouldn't handicap them, surely Adamism hasn't ruled out building a face through losses to a heel and 2,000 screaming fans wanting him to go over the heel. He does go over and then the heel wants revenge over three months and maybe goes on a face killing spree or just out works the face Champ. Meanwhile, on the other side, a fat bloke who hates kids and is the worst ever example of nepotism is offering nothing. The last part might be my own opinion. haha </p><p> </p><p> ASW were helped by poaching, the Screensport deal, better shows by that point and getting on ITV. Joint could easily have dropped Daddy and reset, sadly even in 90 Max hadn't tried.</p>